Ibn Taymiyyah and his erroneous sayings

[Haneef]

I don't adhere to the fact that we should call people kafir, but Ibn-taymiyyah was clearly labeled a kafir by some Ulama, and he was called a heretic in his Aqeedah by many, and they issues a fatwa to have him jailed due to his erroneous beliefs.


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Ibn Taymiyyah says Allaah needs, is divisible, and settles in a place



He is saying here that nothing can exist, not even Aļļaah, unless it has a place, parts (such as different physical sides), and needs. Based on this incredibly ugly statement, it is no wonder then, that a number of scholars, as mentioned by TaqiyyudDiin Al-Ĥuşniyy, said that Ibn Taymiyyah was “an absolute kaafir.” It is no wonder also that ˆAlaa’udDiin Al-Bukħaariyy in fury uttered, “whomsoever calls him Sħaykħ of Islam is himself a kaafir.” He was not entirely right about this, because some people might call him that, not knowing about his blasphemous beliefs, but in light of the above we can understand the circumstances of why he made this fatwa.

[Roshina]

Interestingly enough, we have many followers of Ibn Taymiyyah today who call OTHER people kaafirs, particularly those who disagree with Ibn Taymiyyah's opinions. I'm one of the ones who agrees with the scholars who disagree with Ibn Taymiyyah. But then again, I don't believe we need just one scholar whose opinions to rely on. Sometimes one will make sense, sometimes another will make sense; sometimes one will have a better argument, and sometimes another will.

But I'm no fan of Ibn Taymiyyah at all. In anything so far, in fact.

[Haneef]

Muslims have always followed a school of Fiqh, Madhab. that consists of many ulama, thousands who have updated, abrogated, and confirmed certain views.

[Dust]

Haneef, if I may ask a question:

Isn't Ibn Taymiyya blamed for Islamic radicalism. If so, on what basis? How has he influenced this ideology?

Thank you in advance.

[Haneef]

Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab based much of his practical views (fatwas/actions) on Ibn Taymiyyah's Aqeedah. He took Ibn Taymiyyahs Aqeedah and put it in practice. Hence the founding of the wahabi movement, calling muslims kafir, charging them with Innovation, shirk, etc. Claiming Muslims property as halal to take, kill them etc. Rape their women, and so forth.

[Dust]

This thread ties nicely to the thread that I made. --> http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...d-exists-6358/

It seems that there is even division in Islam on the actually description of God.

It seems that the journey does not end with the belief in the existence of God. So, once someone believes there is a God, he risks the chance of being be outcasted on the basis of how he or she views God.

Why is this so?

I hope to have a solid discussion with the learned among you. I am really interested. Please do not mind my questions.

[Dust]

Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab based much of his practical views (fatwas/actions) on Ibn Taymiyyah's Aqeedah. He took Ibn Taymiyyahs Aqeedah and put it in practice. Hence the founding of the wahabi movement, calling muslims kafir, charging them with Innovation, shirk, etc. Claiming Muslims property as halal to take, kill them etc. Rape their women, and so forth.

I am not interested in what who did. Honestly. This happens everywhere. I am more interested in the thought.

I would like to discuss:

Why is Ibn Taymiyya blamed for Islamic radicalism. If so, on what basis? How has he influenced this ideology? I see you have mentioned Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab, but you have not indicated the salient points.

I hope you don't mind this daunting task of helping me.

ps
Are there any people who are adherent to Taymiyya's thought? I would love to hear them out.

[Baygham]

This thread ties nicely to the thread that I made. --> http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...d-exists-6358/

It seems that there is even division in Islam on the actually description of God.

It seems that the journey does not end with the belief in the existence of God. So, once someone believes there is a God, he risks the chance of being be outcasted on the basis of how he or she views God.

Why is this so?

I hope to have a solid discussion with the learned among you. I am really interested. Please do not mind my questions.

The differences in the description of God between different muslim sub-groups, is just a small part of the differences in diety overall that different cultures have.
Islam does not block that departure of intellect. Recent attempts to take back islam to basics, is a futile attempt to reconcile these fissures. Even if that happens, it will evolve again as time passess.

Why is this so? because religion is a man made exercise and will continue to have man made additions and subtractions.

[Haneef]

This thread ties nicely to the thread that I made. --> http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...d-exists-6358/

It seems that there is even division in Islam on the actually description of God.

It seems that the journey does not end with the belief in the existence of God. So, once someone believes there is a God, he risks the chance of being be outcasted on the basis of how he or she views God.

Why is this so?

I hope to have a solid discussion with the learned among you. I am really interested. Please do not mind my questions.

yes of course..there is..I will answer in a few hours, busy

[Haneef]

I am not interested in what who did. Honestly. This happens everywhere. I am more interested in the thought.

I would like to discuss:

Why is Ibn Taymiyya blamed for Islamic radicalism. If so, on what basis? How has he influenced this ideology? I see you have mentioned Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab, but you have not indicated the salient points.

I hope you don't mind this daunting task of helping me.

ps
Are there any people who are adherent to Taymiyya's thought? I would love to hear them out.

Hes blamed for Islamic radicalism because he issued verdicts outside the tradtional school when he had no right to do so, Ijaza. His opinions went contrary to the Hanbali school and he was not given permission to do this.

many of the pashtun forums people adhere to their thought, wahabism has spread everywhere, especially in the west.

[Haneef]

This thread ties nicely to the thread that I made. --> http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...d-exists-6358/

It seems that there is even division in Islam on the actually description of God.

It seems that the journey does not end with the belief in the existence of God. So, once someone believes there is a God, he risks the chance of being be outcasted on the basis of how he or she views God.

Why is this so?

I hope to have a solid discussion with the learned among you. I am really interested. Please do not mind my questions.

Hindus believe there's a God too, so do Xtians. what is the difference between them and Us? hindus have made many gods, and divided gods into sub gods, and the xtians have done something similar, given him a son and made a man a god. The difference is we believe in a god that has no shape/form, that does not have children or parents, eternal, omnipotent and omniscient. We have a an extreme monotheistic religion.

We may both believe in something, but it is the how that differentiates us. We both may believe that we should not waste, but how we define wastes will differentiate us and our stance on many issues.