Samples of Quranic Contradictions, Inconsistencies and Errors.

[Palwasha]

Again your source is only the Quran which was written not long ago. You cant just claim that Jews and Christians were once Muslims but then become Jews and christians because they refused gods word, what makes you think todays Muslims wont turn on Islam, Will Allah send another Prophet?

Where did I say Jews and Christians were previously Muslims, what are you on about? Though Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) were indeed Muslims and Prophet's of God.

Muhammad the final messenger, bit of a clue for you.

Day by Day Muslims leave Islam or dont practice it anymore, what will happen if more and more leave it and turn to science and other beleifs and relgions?

Day by day, non-Muslims turn to Islam and non-practising Muslims rediscover it. If some leave then so be it, it is their own choice to make. Why don't you give me a statistic and we'll see how worried I should be.

You are a blind followers of litrature that was written way way way after the discovery of Judaism and Christianity, The Person who wrote the Quran was very clever, he white washed the past and rewrote it to those who had no sense of logic nor reality.

Blind follower? Hmm, depends on how you define that?

The rest of what you wrote is just bull. No sense of logic or reality? Yet nothing you, your friends, or any other person known to existence could ever write would ever compare. Well, competing with the word of God, kinda a tough task.

The Qur'an, the unchanged holy scripture, as ever powerful as it was when it was first written.

Just like how Arabs stole and rewrote Artistoles litrature, the same Arabs rewrote History and presented it as if they discovered Judaism and Christianity and sneekly Arabised History. Plus the Prophet couldnt read nor write, so how do we know that his lived like this or ate this?

Gosh, you know even less than I thought. Apart from the fact that they have his body, in his tomb. Not to mention, his belongings, his DNA (hair, teeth, footprint).

It doesn't matter whether you accept Islam or not, it's a fact that Muhmmad (pbuh) existed.

Again Guley, I posted a hadith written by Bukhari, which says the day of judgement will not come until Muslims Slaughter the Jews, so is this what dedicated praticing Muslims are waiting for? to slaughter innocent Jews who will hide behind trees? Is this a Relgion of Peace? is it a Relgion of Revenge to go against the Jews?

Which hadith? Post it and I'll research.

I don't know why you ask such questions only to ignore or blast the answer given. But you're not actually looking for answers, are you Maseed? You don't care about that, you know your intentions.

So if we were not buddists then how come there are so many status of budda in prodominately Pashtun areas???? Dont give me the whole we were Jews but turned Muslims and we followed one god, its all non-sense, this is what you call Arabisation? did the civilisations of gandara or bactria practiced Islam? Did the Greeks say the Pakyans prayed 5 times a day and ate with their right hand? No they didnt because No Pashtun did until the invasion of Arab imperialists and mahmood ghaznavi.

Read my post again, I *think* we Pashtuns weren't Buddhist, but I know they were never Hindu. In all honesty, I don't know how Pashtuns practiced their faith before Islam. I would be intrigued to know.

Guley you have been arabised to such a limit that you are ashamed of your past.

Who said I'm ashamed? Quote me where I've ever said that. I'm just more poud at the fact that Pashtuns did accept Islam.

Since your not a Pashtun yourself and a Hindkowan what do you know about the past of Pashtuns?

Haven't heard that one from you before, Maseed! You trying to denounce me as Pashtun simply because I don't agree with your posts, doesn't quite work.

You'd have to drain my blood before I'd be anything other that a Pashtun.

News flash: Many Pashtuns across the world are capable of speaking many different languages. Don't cry will you.

Pashtuns are being brainwashed by Islamists and taught to be ashamed of their glorious Past. Arabs desire blind followers to spread their Imperialistic Supersititous glibberish about shooting stars being arrows to attack Shaytan etc.

Erm yeah, okay...

Kind Regards

Lies.

[BehavedMaseed]

So Guley can you prove to me that the following Hadith is peaceful?

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews
(killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The
stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me,come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of
tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the
Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

How come you avoid my thread on it. What kind of peaceful faith is this where you got to slaughter Jews to get ALlahs attention and to awake the day of judgement.

???????????????

[BehavedMaseed]

Where did I say Jews and Christians were previously Muslims, what are you on about? Though Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) were indeed Muslims and Prophet's of God.

Muhammad the final messenger, bit of a clue for you.

Day by day, non-Muslims turn to Islam and non-practising Muslims rediscover it. If some leave then so be it, it is their own choice to make. Why don't you give me a statistic and we'll see how worried I should be.

Blind follower? Hmm, depends on how you define that?

The rest of what you wrote is just bull. No sense of logic or reality? Yet nothing you, your friends, or any other person known to existence could ever write would ever compare. Well, competing with the word of God, kinda a tough task.

The Qur'an, the unchanged holy scripture, as ever powerful as it was when it was first written.

Gosh, you know even less than I thought. Apart from the fact that they have his body, in his tomb. Not to mention, his belongings, his DNA (hair, teeth, footprint).

It doesn't matter whether you accept Islam or not, it's a fact that Muhmmad (pbuh) existed.

Which hadith? Post it and I'll research.

I don't know why you ask such questions only to ignore or blast the answer given. But you're not actually looking for answers, are you Maseed? You don't care about that, you know your intentions.

Read my post again, I *think* we Pashtuns weren't Buddhist, but I know they were never Hindu. In all honesty, I don't know how Pashtuns practiced their faith before Islam. I would be intrigued to know.

Who said I'm ashamed? Quote me where I've ever said that. I'm just more poud at the fact that Pashtuns did accept Islam.

Haven't heard that one from you before, Maseed! You trying to denounce me as Pashtun simply because I don't agree with your posts, doesn't quite work.

You'd have to drain my blood before I'd be anything other that a Pashtun.

News flash: Many Pashtuns across the world are capable of speaking many different languages. Don't cry will you.

Erm yeah, okay...

Lies.

Well Is there any statistics on the number of people leaving Islam or are the Muslims just born dictators and delete such numbers??

How can a Hindkomar be a Pashtun? Quran suited the time of the prophet that was 1400 years ago. There is contradiction upon contradiction.

Why do Muslims prefer to settle in Secular Countries instead of their barbaric Muslim Countries?

If your a true follower of Islam why are you contributing to a Kuffur Secular System that feeds the Jews?

You disagree that Pashtuns could have been buddists becos your Arabised upbringing has told you that anything that isnt Islamic means its wrong even thought Hadith and Quran have to be the most violent pieces of hate litrature ive ever read.

Again there are 1000's of people from Islamic countries who yern for a Secular system but sadly are oppressed because their views as usual and very typical of Muslims is silence or killed off.

Again Most Muslims who leave Islam never admitt it, they just dont bother following it because they dont want to be killed which is islamically justified.

Time will tell Guley! Mankind slowly slowly is turning away from Shooting Stars in the sky to fight Shaytan etc etc etc. You are an Emotional blind follower, you think everything starts and ends with Islam. Islam does not have the answer to everything. Islam is a tool by a certain class of people to keep the blind followers thoughts oppressed.

Not long ago you said so whats the point in being Pashtun if there is no Islam. What do you get kicks out of seeing Pashtuns kill Pashtuns over rewards of 72 virgins in paradise and rivers of milk while you sit there in a country ruled by Secular asthitss who allow you to convert their fellow englishmen and englishwomen into the violent world of Islam.

Kind Regards

[Palwasha]

^Some people never change.

If you don't accept Islam, fair enough, but why do you have so much anger towards it, if Muslims themselves are happy? You don't like people telling you how to live your life, so stop telling us how to live ours. We are contempt in Islam, so let us be.

Your idea of Islam couldn't be more wrong, it's unfortunate for you that you have no desire to learn.

You know what, it's Ramadhan and I'm just wasting my time in debating with you. Your post is such bullsh*t, that I'm not even gonna bother replying to it all.

Unfortunately, you're so full of hate and bitterness that it leads to such confusion in your mind. I hope you one day find peace.

Will reply to the hadith, for the sake of others.

Peace.

[Baygham]

On another thread I asked our fellow muslim brethern if they would be inclined to kill their own pashtoon wife, daughter or sister for sex out of wedlock and they said yes. On furhter inquiry they were inclined to 'honour killing' because that is what the Quran prescribes. One saying that if the quran had another punishment (or no punishment) for zina he would do just that and not kill.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/world-n...tml#post137418

[Abu Hurayrah]

These claims are one by one refuted by Dr. Zakir Naik among thousands of others, just look at this one

Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)?

Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable;
Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?



Elsewhere in The Quran you read that the earth is egg shaped, ''dhahaaha'' or the Quran speaks about the south, easth and the west, or it's rotation where Allah uses the word ''falaka'' meaning in Arabic that which is round, ta-fa-la-ka etc.

If you thought about it, the surface of the earth looks flat to us, like a carpet, but is it necessary in this case that the shape should also be flat? No not at all. To eliminate the whole argument, the Qur'aan speaks as I said, about the ROUND shape of the earth. Like this, all these so called contradictions can be refuted. I don't think there is a need to copy paste a refutation on these matters.

[Baygham]

These claims are one by one refuted by Dr. Zakir Naik among thousands of others, just look at this one

Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)?

Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable;
Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?



Elsewhere in The Quran you read that the earth is egg shaped, ''dhahaaha'' or the Quran speaks about the south, easth and the west, or it's rotation where Allah uses the word ''falaka'' meaning in Arabic that which is round, ta-fa-la-ka etc.

If you thought about it, the surface of the earth looks flat to us, like a carpet, but is it necessary in this case that the shape should also be flat? No not at all. To eliminate the whole argument, the Qur'aan speaks as I said, about the ROUND shape of the earth. Like this, all these so called contradictions can be refuted. I don't think there is a need to copy paste a refutation on these matters.

I agree, the best refutation comes from Professor Baay Baay, she is a sheep that says Baay Baay. If you focus on the first Baay there is a curvature in the sound, Allah meant that this roundness is actually the round surface of the earth, which is calculated in the second Baay. If you take high school kids and have them say Baay they can hold their breath for about 8 seconds, Allah in his infinite wisdom shows us again that it is indeed 8000 miles in diameter.

Allah is great and professor Baay Baay is the answer.

[Wrayun]

Levanaye Zalmaye,

Although I consider it a futile attempt to address religious scripture in scientific terms, I will address this neglected post of yours.

The Quran at 86:5-7 mentions how men are created from emitted drops (which had always been understood as semen - what other emitted drops create life anyway?) that originate between the ribcage and the spine. We now know that the emitted drops required to create life come from the testicles, which, according to my personal experience, do not lie anywhere close to the ribcage or the spine. It took Answering-Christianity.com walls upon walls of text to try and spin this one around. The Quran claims to be clear guidance and easy to understand, remember.

Zakir Naik says that human embryos have their sexual organs developing pretty high up while Dr. Jamal Badawi says that the verse doesn't refer to semen. Muhammad Asad says that it's a woman's body, not a man's to begin with. All the scholars and all the king's men can't justify this. It takes 200 milligrams of faith a day to still make you believe that those verses came from a divine source.

What about this translation, does it help?

Chapter 86

In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.

86:1 By the heaven and the herald.
86:2 And do you know what the herald is?
86:3 The piercing star.
86:4 Every soul has a recorder over it.
86:5 So let man see from what he was created.
86:6 He was created from a water that spurts forth.
86:7 It comes out from between the spine and the testicles.
86:8 For He is able to bring him back.
86:9 The Day when all is revealed.
86:10 Then he will not have any power or victor.
86:11 And the sky which gives rain.
86:12 And the land with cracks.
86:13 This is the word that separates matters.
86:14 And it is not a thing for amusement.
86:15 They are planning a plan.
86:16 And I am planning a plan.
86:17 So respite the rejecters, respite them for a while.

Chapter 86

The Quran also says that the sun is in orbit..... which is sorta wrong, to be honest. Brother Adam tried his best but no, the sun doesn't "orbit the galaxy". Stephen Hawking would have him detained for a week straight for putting up that page.

So you are telling me that the Solar Apex is a concocted wet dream of some in the scientific community?

The Apex of the Sun's Way, or the solar apex, is the direction that the Sun travels through space in the Milky Way. The general direction of the Sun's galactic motion is towards the star Vega in the constellation of Lyra at an angle of roughly 60 sky degrees to the direction of the Galactic Center.

The Sun's orbit around the Galaxy is expected to be roughly elliptical with the addition of perturbations due to the galactic spiral arms and non-uniform mass distributions. In addition the Sun oscillates up and down relative to the galactic plane approximately 2.7 times per orbit. This is very similar to how a simple harmonic oscillator works with no drag force (damping) term. It has been argued that the Sun's passage through the higher density spiral arms often coincides with mass extinctions on Earth, perhaps due to increased impact events.[105] It takes the Solar System about 225–250 million years to complete one orbit of the galaxy (a galactic year),[106] so it is thought to have completed 20–25 orbits during the lifetime of the Sun. The orbital speed of the Solar System about the center of the Galaxy is approximately 251 km/s. At this speed, it takes around 1,190 years for the Solar System to travel a distance of 1 light-year, or 7 days to travel 1 AU.

Sun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We also now know that a man can't survive inside a fish's tummy. I couldn't bring myself to believe that even as a kid. How can educated adults believe this?

You know what made me laugh as a kid, when someone suggested we evolved from monkeys.

Anyways, that whole fish tummy thing, its meant to be a miracle. You know, like double rainbows. That means that God, some how, made it possible to survive in side of the fish tummy. Not too difficult see.

What about the Hadith that says that one of the purpose of stars is to shoot down devils?

Actually the hadith says that shooting stars (not just stars) are chasing devils. Since it's a hadith, we are at liberty in believing in it or not (some of course will argue against that, don't care) because we know that hadiths are not the word of God, but men. Word of men can be corrupted, manipulated, and exaggerated. Or you never know, those suckers might be actually chasing devils. If dark matter, dark energy, multi-dimensions, worm holes etc. exist, so can devils that are chased by shooting stars.

[Abu Hurayrah]

I agree, the best refutation comes from Professor Baay Baay, she is a sheep that says Baay Baay. If you focus on the first Baay there is a curvature in the sound, Allah meant that this roundness is actually the round surface of the earth, which is calculated in the second Baay. If you take high school kids and have them say Baay they can hold their breath for about 8 seconds, Allah in his infinite wisdom shows us again that it is indeed 8000 miles in diameter.

Allah is great and professor Baay Baay is the answer.

Why don't you reply instead of acting like a sheep which is running after illiterate men ? There is nothing wrong if you are not able to answer, in that case, just shut your mouth, resist from posting useless posts, be descent and become a man again,

Eid is approaching, someone may slaughter you just like a sheep and you may bleh bleh sometimes. idiot.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

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[Abu Hurayrah]

As Dr. Zakir Naik writes:
In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the scrotum outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs.

What about this one: "The prophet Muhammad said, 'If a fly falls into your drink, you should dip it in the drink, and then dispose of the fly – because one of its wings bears a disease, and the other bears the cure.'"?

This is truly an interesting narration, and it confirms the truthfulness of Muhammad sallalahu aleyhi wasallam.

Let us quote from science,

The new buzz on antibiotics › News in Science (ABC Science)

The surface of flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet that is exactly where a team of Australian researchers is concentrating their efforts.
Working on the theory that flies must have remarkable antimicrobial defences to survive rotting dung, meat and fruit, the team at the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, set out to identify those antibacterial properties manifesting at different stages of a fly's development.
"Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before," said Ms Joanne Clarke, who presented the group's findings at the Australian Society for Microbiology Conference in Melbourne this week. The project is part of her PhD thesis.
The scientists tested four different species of fly: a house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a Queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria.
Flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "We predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said Ms Clarke.
They did not. However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control).
As did all the adult fly species, including the Queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile).
Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke.
"The reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction."
The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract.



Many non-muslims claim that the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) was not a prophet and that he performed no miracles. However they are unaware that the Prophet(SAW) had knowledge about microbiology which was beyond his time and could only have come from the creator of microbiology, Allah(swt).

The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu ‘aleihi was-sallam) said:

“If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for the one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure of the disease.” [Bukhari, vol. 4: 537].





Proof:











Credits:

Team Supervised By Dr. Jamaal Haamid

Students: 1-Sami Ibrahim Aj-Taili 2-’Aadil ‘Abdur Rahman Al-Misnid 3-Khalid Dha’aar Al-’Utaibi.

Course Co-Coordinator : Dr. Saleh As-Saleh

(Dept. Medical Microbiology-College of Science,Qassim University)


source:The Fly Hadith: Scientific Support for Muhammad’s(SAW) Prophethood « Islamic Archives

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[Abu Hurayrah]

sorry, double post

[Baygham]

Levanaye Zalmaye,

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Actually the hadith says that shooting stars (not just stars) are chasing devils. Since it's a hadith, we are at liberty in believing in it or not (some of course will argue against that, don't care) because we know that hadiths are not the word of God, but men. Word of men can be corrupted, manipulated, and exaggerated. Or you never know, those suckers might be actually chasing devils. If dark matter, dark energy, multi-dimensions, worm holes etc. exist, so can devils that are chased by shooting stars.

The value of a source of knowledge is not in making sense of the past. As they say hindsight is 20/20. Meaning, you can make a pattern of your choosing in any thing. All the known answers can be found in a flock of sheep, a heap of dung, a bale of hey or what ever other random entity that you may choose.

Make one prospective discovery and now you have something going. has the Quran ever made a prospective discovery that has advanced science/human understanding.

A good start would be to prospectively deduce from the Quran what we will find in experiments on the recently completed 'The Large Hadron Collider' in swizerland.

After they come up with some findings, a 100 'arab paid ' scholars will prop up and say here it is in verse 232 or sura 23. and 24.

Like Ranjit singh, who asked the mullahs to find 'him' in Quran or have their heads chopped off. One cunning mullah said here is it.
'ana kana kafiroon'
stressing on 'kana' which in punjabi is used for blind in one eye which Ranjit singh was, translating the verse as 'Kana is amongst the kafirs'.

This fascination with Quran is an emotional comfort. like ones love of their mother, even if she is a wh ore.

[PFgulalai]

as dr. Zakir naik writes:
in embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. The testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the scrotum outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs.

Certainly, the scientific knowledge of Dr.Zakir Kaka (salutations be upon him) is not as enchanting as his words with which he befools people like you who do not "think and analyze" on their own but would rather blindly follow anything!!!Nonetheless, once again he has been able to befool you with his unscientific and flawed interpretation of the concepts of science of embryogenesis. So let's analyze his above-mentioned interpretation of the following verse:

“now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted – proceeding from between the back bone and the ribs.” [al-qur’aan 86:5-7]

Scientific errors:
1. The spermatogonia (here referred as drop) are not present between/near (again) kidney or ribs but are originated from the wall of yolk sac. Also, "drop emission" or loosely translated "sperm emission" is incorrect since the embryo does not produce sperms.Sperms are developed at puberty stage, not emryonic stage.
2.The claim by Dr.Naik that the testes lie between spinal cord and the 11th and 12th ribs is incorrect scientifically. The location of the gondal ridge during embryonic stages is ventro-medial to mesonephros (primitive kidney). The adult kidney (the one you have in your body) develops from the metanephros. Due to his lack of knowledge of developmental biology and embryogenesis, Dr.Naik made a wrong analysis of the position of the gonads as ventro-medial to the adult kidney; what he did not understand in the embryology textbook was the ventro-medial position of the developing gonads with respect to mesonephros (primitive kidney), rather than metanephros (adult kidney).
3.And so the power of the "magical drop" continues: In 5 sentences of Dr.Naik, this elusive "drop" turned from "semen" to "blood circulatory system as well as nervous system". Not to forget the "drop" made an entire urinogenital system as well according to him.
By now the drop can be classified as the precursor for testes, ovaries, blood, lymph and nerves!!!??????????????????

this is truly an interesting narration, and it confirms the truthfulness of muhammad sallalahu aleyhi wasallam.

let us quote from science,

the new buzz on antibiotics › news in science (abc science)

the surface of flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet that is exactly where a team of australian researchers is concentrating their efforts.
working on the theory that flies must have remarkable antimicrobial defences to survive rotting dung, meat and fruit, the team at the department of biological sciences, macquarie university, set out to identify those antibacterial properties manifesting at different stages of a fly's development.
"our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before," said ms joanne clarke, who presented the group's findings at the australian society for microbiology conference in melbourne this week. the project is part of her phd thesis.
the scientists tested four different species of fly: A house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria.
flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "we predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said ms clarke.
they did not. however the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the queensland fruit fly control).
as did all the adult fly species, including the queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile).
such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "you find activity in both places," said ms clarke.
"the reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction."
the antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract.

many non-muslims claim that the prophet muhammad(saw) was not a prophet and that he performed no miracles. However they are unaware that the prophet(saw) had knowledge about microbiology which was beyond his time and could only have come from the creator of microbiology, allah(swt).

the prophet muhammad (sallallaahu ‘aleihi was-sallam) said:

“if a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for the one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure of the disease.” [bukhari, vol. 4: 537].

A while ago Ms.Joanne Clarke was frantically searched in the biggest repository of scientific and medical publications called PUBMED available at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov and it turned out that she never published the results of her findings.According to the research standards of scientific community, experimental results from research must be published and should be available in pubmed.Hence I refuse any claim made by her since her results never got published. (If you know, please bless us with an intellectual insight)

However, I do accept Ms.Clarke fascination about finding novel antibiotics from wings of houseflies 8 years ago (oh wait, which fly was mentioned in hadith--Drosophila Melanogaster?).It's not just the flies wings where a scientist will look for the antibacterial compounds but thousands of other insects, humans, fungi, plants, animals,protoza, tapeworms, shallow depths of oceans, glaciers, animal guts, dung, yogurt, etc. Let me take you to the kids.com section on flies for understanding the issue:

the whole body of the housefly, including claws and padded feet, is covered with bristles. Its tongue is coated with sticky glue. A fly rubs its legs together to clean itself. In the process of rubbing its legs, it rubs off scraps of some of the material that has gathered on its bristles. This is how it drops germs of dangerous diseases on our food. When we eat this food we may get infected. Some of the most common diseases spread by the housefly are typhoid, tuberculosis and dysentery, all of which, if left untreated even for a short while, can cause death.

http://www.pitara.com/discover/5wh/online.asp?story=45

they are capable of carrying over 100 pathogens, such as typhoid, cholera, salmonella, bacillary dysentery, tuberculosis, anthrax, ophthalmia, and parasitic worms. The flies in poorer and lower-hygienic areas usually carry more pathogens. Some strains have become immune to most common insecticides.

Mechanical transmission of organisms on its hairs, mouthparts, vomitus and feces:
Parasitic diseases: Cysts of protozoa e.g. Entamoeba histolytica, giardia lamblia and eggs of helminths e.g.: Ascaris lumbricoides, trichuros trichura, haemenolypes nana, enterobius vermicularis.
Bacterial diseases: Typhoid, cholera, dysentery, pyogenic cocci, etc. House flies have been demonstrated to be vectors of campylobacter and e. Coli o157:h7 using pcr [7]. House flies can be monitored for bacterial pathogens using filter paper spot cards and pcr [8]
viruses: Enteroviruses: Poliomyelitis, viral hepatitis (a & e)..etc.
As a causative agent of diseases
accidental myiasis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/housefly

And now my questions to you, the ardent student of divine microbiology:
Question 1: Typhoid, cholera, salmonella, bacillary dysentery, tuberculosis, anthrax are all bacterial infections.If the fly has antibacterial properties, why did not the antibiotics produced by the flies kill those bacteria?
Question 2:Why can I still observe these bacteria on the body of the flies with my 100x powerful microscopic lens?
Question 3: Would you recommend a fly-second-wing-dipped chai to a person suffering from bacterial/fungal infection for treatment.
Question 4:When you are sick, do you treat yourself with this "antibacterial tea/liquid" or you actually take 250mg of chloromphenicol and tetracyclines??
Question 5: Do you believe in this: a fly a day keeps the bacteria away?

proof:

credits:

team supervised by dr. Jamaal haamid

students: 1-sami ibrahim aj-taili 2-’aadil ‘abdur rahman al-misnid 3-khalid dha’aar al-’utaibi.

course co-coordinator : Dr. Saleh as-saleh

(dept. Medical microbiology-college of science,qassim university)

source:the fly hadith: Scientific support for muhammad’s(saw) prophethood « islamic archives

This an extremely flawed scientific experiment of the lowest degree in every possible aspect!!!!!!!!!!!:
1.Just the opening sentence tells you about the unscientific nature of the experiment: "sterilized" means free of microbes. If the sample comes from "microbe-free" water, how they observe the microbial growth on the plate A?
2.First "hahahahaha"@ "results" of the experiment:Actinomyces are notorious for causing diseases in humans and valuable for soil ecology. Can you please name an antibiotic that has been derived from Actinomyces. There are antibiotics produced from the members of genus Actinobacteria (fungi-like bacteria). Oh wait, was the Professor of Qassim University alluding to "Actinobacteria" in some divine way by finding "Actinomyces" instead on plate B, after using water from fully-immersed fly.
The conclusion that I got from this experiment is that the second wing of the fly carries Actinomyces.Actinomyces cause Actinomycoses--an infectious disease (read below)

Epidemiology and Clinical Syndromes:

Normal flora of the upper respiratory, gastronintestinal and femal genital tracts

Low virulence potential, only causing opportunistic disease following disruption of mucosal barriers by trauma, surgery or infection

Actinomycosis:












May occur as acute pyogenic infection or more commonly as a chronic infection that is both suppurative and granulomatous Characterized by multiple abscesses and interconnecting sinus tracts that contain granules of microcolonies imbedded in tissue elements Microcolonies are macroscopic masses of filamentous bacterial cells that are "cemented" together by calcium phosphate Known as sulfur granules due to their yellow or orange appearance Chronic suppuration results in granuloma formation and a fibrotic "walling off" of the lesion Ultimately resulting in bone involvement Five major clinical forms of actinomycoses based on site of infection:

1. 1. 1. cervicofacial actinomycosis (most common form): associated with poor oral hygiene, an invasive dental procedure or oral trauma that is characterized by tissue swelling with fibrosis and draining sinus tracts along the jawline
      2. thoracic actinomycosis: associated with aspiration into the lungs and dissemination of the organisms into surrounding tissues
      3. abdominal actinomycosis: associated with abdominal surgery or intestinal trauma
      4. pelvic actinomycosis: primary infection associated with intrauterine devices in women and secondary infection associated with spread from abdominal actinomycosis
      5. cerebral actinomycosis: associated with secondary spread from another infected site and most commonly characterized by a single brain abscess

http://www.life.umd.edu/classroom/bs...ctinomyces.htm

Furthermore, actinomyces are not cultured in water.They are fastidious organism which are cultured in "enriched media" (such as brain-heart infusion medium).Also, Actinomyces produce "molar tooth" shaped colonies, unlike the round colonies shown in the diagram.

Coynebacterium Dephtheroid in Panel B, eh??? Sorry I had trouble knowing this microbe since this does not exist in the whole microbiological world, maybe it is up there in the sky...ooops! Did they mean Corynebacterium Diphtheroids? Anyways, Panel B and Panel C repeat the same unscientific and erroneous hypothesis and analysis and so there is no point of analyzing it further.

By the way, similar to Ms.Clarke, neither the principle investigator of this "impressive" study nor its reserach publication could be found in the entire world!!!!

So how these absolutely faulty assumptions made you think that God and his Prophet are microbiologists?No wonder the scientists of Qassim University are such efficient microbiologists .

[Wrayun]

Levanaye Zalmaye,

A lot of Muslims think that to prove that their religion is true, they have to link it up with modern science somehow. A good example is the big bang reference. In fact, if you give me 20 minutes, I'll link up 10 new scientific discoveries to verses in the Quran.

Well, I don't necessarily agree with Muslims trying to prove anything using science. Science is ever evolving. What's considered factual today might change tomorrow (which can work for and against religion i.e. 7 layers of the sky). The only reason why I can see they would do that is when science is used to discredit their religion. Naturally then, they would use science to justify it also. It's a two way street.

That is the most dishonest attempt to cover up a mistake of the Quran that I've come across.

086.007
YUSUFALI: Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:
PICKTHAL: That issued from between the loins and ribs.
SHAKIR: Coming from between the back and the ribs.

How did that translator mistake the word "ribs" with "testicles"? Is the Arab word for them the same?

The explanation given is:

"Tarai'ib" is the plural of "Tareeba" which is used to describe a protruding item (such as "Tareeba Albaeer" meaning "Camel's neck, at the point of cutting").

The word was translated to "testicles" based on:

a) the testicles being a protruding item in a human being.
b) the tetsicales being the only "plural" protruding item (since Taraib is plural)

Furthermore, 86:6 is always translated as liquid/fluid (drops) gushing forward or being emitted (semen).

Changing the translation to cover up a mistake by the Quran won't make the mistake disappear. If only these guys can somehow find a man who produces semen somewhere between his backbone and ribs.......

Accurately speaking, the mistake is in the translation, unless you speak Arabic and can verify it by yourself. Now your going to coming back with why should I have to learn Arabic, and why did so many people made this grammatical mistake, and I will go back and forth with you saying that they used whatever knowledge they had at the time to make sense out of these scriptures etc. etc. this is why I consider it futile.

How do you know the scientists are not lying about this? If they're lying about evolution, the origin of life on earth, the origin of the earth and the origin of the universe, they might as well be mistaken about this.

I didn't ask for a scientific proof, you did. Whether they are lying or telling the truth, that's for you to decide.

should have consulted Wikipedia first, by the way. In any case, one right and dozens wrong is still a fluke especially as I mentioned earlier, advanced knowledge of astrology was readily available at that time, thanks to the Greeks, Egyptians and Babylonians.

Yeah.....okay. It's a whole other debate to assume that Mohammad got around their information. Though, did the Greeks, Egyptians, and Babylonians predicted the orbit of the sun and ever expanding cosmos?

Also, why did the Quran have Muslims confused for centuries about the sun setting in the murky water thing? The Quran is God's literal word, why would He refer to any place as the "setting of the sun"?

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

When I say to you: meet me between the two mountains, at the narrowest edge, where the Sun sets. What does that mean to you, would you take it literally?

I don't know which tafsir you are talking about it. A reference would be nice.

Except that we didn't evolve from monkeys. Get your evolution from scientists, not clerics - that way, you won't get it wrong.

It was a joke, where is humor?

Secondly, human evolution is a scientific process explained by empirical and observed evidence whereas your "man in a fish" theory has no evidence for it whatsoever. That's why almost all the biologists have a consensus on the matter whereas the opponents are fundamentalist Christian and Muslim theologians. That's why you have to compromise and call it a miracle - which is tantamount to throwing in the towel - "listen dude, I really don't know how it happened but you know, it happened, k? That's that!"

There is also no empirical evidence for dark energy or dark matter, yet, by many in the scientific community it is accepted as a fact. It is the only thing they can come up with to explain why the billions of galaxies in our universe aren't splitting apart.

Religion never claimed that the big fish and its tummy episode was anything other than a miracle. You make that claim.

A miracle or two would've helped the flood victims of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, too, you know. The fact is that when a myth is exposed, the last refuge for a theist is "miracle land". That's why we don't have miracles, Jinns, fairies and angels in our modern times but we had plenty of them before the advent of the modern world. It's funny you mention rainbows, by the way. Because before they could be explained by science, they were considered miracles, too.

Yeah, flood, God's fault. Bad God, very bad God!

Actually now days with modern science people believe in alien abductions.

If Imam Bukhari said the Hadith was sound, we have to accept it. Or else we have to reject 7,000 or so of them. Sahih Bukhari is the second most authentic book if Islam after the Quran.

Imam Bukhari is made out to be sound by certain sects and regimes for political hegemony. Hadiths should be first related to Quran for verification instead of the other way around.

It's interesting you mentioned Bukhari though, because I could be a Shia. See what I mean?

You're not a Quranist, are you?

Not really, I believe in Hadiths that can be verified using the Quran. I got nothing against them though. They have sensible arguments.

Black holes/worm holes are not devils. Devils resemble Iblis. And when they get out of hand, God shoots them down with shooting stars. I would believe that after a few shots of Vodka but never whilst sober.

Not really, Iblis and Devils are Jins, but they can be different in shape and their nature.

You didn't address the following part of my post, by the way:

And there's much simpler stuff. For instance, there was a time when there was a solar eclipse. The Prophet prayed and told his companions that the eclipse was a sign of God. A special prayer is said nowadays during solar eclipses. Why couldn't he simply tell them that it was the moon that came between the earth and the sun? I honestly wonder why the people were left dazed and confused deliberately until a kafir Westerner found out the truth.

It is a complete assumption on your part that it was a normal eclipse. You can't prove your assertion and that it wasn't a sign from God, likewise I can't prove that it was.

What about this one: "The prophet Muhammad said, 'If a fly falls into your drink, you should dip it in the drink, and then dispose of the fly – because one of its wings bears a disease, and the other bears the cure.'"?

The splitting of the moon (Bukhari): 832-833 and 208-209.

These things, among others, made me question the divinity of my religion. Christianity is just as bad in this regard and that's why most modern Christians interpret the Bible liberally and not literally and admit that their book is full of scientific errors. Muslims are busy trying to justify unscientific hadith and verses. It's an exercise in futility.

The reason why I didn't address this part of your previous post is because I take the liberty in not holding hadiths in the same light as I do the Quran. Hadiths being the collection of "sayings" of men. I agree with the notion that it is a futile attempt to justify hadiths and scripture using science, but disagree that just because they can't be validated using science takes away from their divinity.