I don't know enough Pakistani Pashtuns to answer this myself. When I visited Peshawar it seemed like there was little difference. Obviously movements like Tableeghi Jamaat are more popular in Pakistan, but in terms of the degree religious observance, the two seemed the same. But, my experiences in Peshawar were limited, and all the people I actually conversed with were Afghan refugees, so I'm wondering what everyone else thinks.
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From my own experience I must say that Pashtuns are not the same even in Afghanistan. There are huge differences in behavior and culture between Pashtuns from Southern provinces and Eastern provinces just like Tajiks from Western Afghanistan are different from those in Northern Afghanistan.Originally posted by maneatinglizard View PostI don't know enough Pakistani Pashtuns to answer this myself. When I visited Peshawar it seemed like there was little difference. Obviously movements like Tableeghi Jamaat are more popular in Pakistan, but in terms of the degree religious observance, the two seemed the same. But, my experiences in Peshawar were limited, and all the people I actually conversed with were Afghan refugees, so I'm wondering what everyone else thinks.
As I have said before, I spent many years living in UAE. There is a huge Pashtun community in there mainly in Deira (most of business in Al Ras, Naif, Shindagah either belongs or are run by Pashtuns). I saw some differences between Pashtuns in there. For example, most of taxi drives were Pashtuns from Peshawar or other places such as Parachinar. They seemed very urbanized, most of them shaved their bears and were fluent in English. Also they seemed to be very proud to be Pakistanis. Most of Pakistani Pashtuns (at least in Dubai) were like this. But Afghan Pashtuns were mainly from eastern provinces. Most of them were typical Pashtuns: beards, shalwar-kameez, rude behavior, and so on.
There was this guy from Kunar, I believe he was a Mohmand. Heratis used to call him "lala-e qand" ("Sweet brother" lol). He was a nice corpulent guy in his forties and quite wealthy. I mean he was really wealthy. He used to drive one of these huge Hummers. But the guy despite being wealthy AF he didn't change a bit. I mean he was still wearing wrinkled clothes, smelling bad and spiting while walking down the street. Believe me man, if it wasn't because we knew he was rich we would give him some khairaat because he looked like a beggar.
Even today if you visit shisha bars like Arman or Baran you might find him in there, wearing his lungi and chewing naswaar lol So yes there are huge differences between Pashtuns depending on their regions rather than countries. Rural and kohistani Pashtuns are addicted to their way of life, urban Pashtuns not much."For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "
-Ferdowsi.
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Never been to Afghanistan but I'm sure it's pretty much the same.Originally posted by Kaushika
majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.
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This actually brings me to a question I've had. One thing I've noticed in Peshawar is that there seems to be a rivalry and even a level of segregation between locals and refugees. Peshawar is full of Afghans yet the only Afghans I've ever really met were people that worked for my maternal grandmother. How do Afghans in Peshawar talk about local(Pakistani) Pashtuns.Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Postall the people I actually conversed with were Afghan refugees, so I'm wondering what everyone else thinks.Originally posted by Kaushika
majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.
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Gul Khans are relatively religious, both extreme and moderate
Anti-Pakistani Pakistani Pashtuns (Gul Marjans) are secular muslims with a few atheist/agnostics.
Afghan Pashtuns, half are religious , both moderately and extremely religious
and there are secular Afghan Pashtuns . Usually fanboys of Amanullah Khan and the communists, similar to Gul Marjans in Pakistan
seen secular Gul Khans, but i never seen an atheist gul khan.... because of a Pashtun from Pakistan declared himself to be Ex-muslim, then what reason does he have to call himself Pakistani if Islam was the only thing they had in common with Punjabis ?
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Gul Khans are religious, hands down....Originally posted by maneatinglizard View PostI don't know enough Pakistani Pashtuns to answer this myself. When I visited Peshawar it seemed like there was little difference. Obviously movements like Tableeghi Jamaat are more popular in Pakistan, but in terms of the degree religious observance, the two seemed the same. But, my experiences in Peshawar were limited, and all the people I actually conversed with were Afghan refugees, so I'm wondering what everyone else thinks.
atheist/ex-muslim pakistani pashtuns are rare, and most of them turn out to by Loy Afghanistan/Pashtunistan and anti-pakistani.
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Stop using the word Gul Khan in every post. It's cringy. You've admitted to being an Indic that adopted Pashtun identity so I don't understand why you care so much.Originally posted by kanishka View PostGul Khans are relatively religious, both extreme and moderate
Anti-Pakistani Pakistani Pashtuns (Gul Marjans) are secular muslims with a few atheist/agnostics.
Afghan Pashtuns, half are religious , both moderately and extremely religious
and there are secular Afghan Pashtuns . Usually fanboys of Amanullah Khan and the communists, similar to Gul Marjans in Pakistan
seen secular Gul Khans, but i never seen an atheist gul khan.... because of a Pashtun from Pakistan declared himself to be Ex-muslim, then what reason does he have to call himself Pakistani if Islam was the only thing they had in common with Punjabis ?Originally posted by Kaushika
majority of Hilly Rajputs are the product of these cross breeding and want to disassociate with their past. rajputs with rajwadi surnames consider themeselves superior but those native kings who look darker gets mocked as "gola" (mix breed, son of rakhile) so they actually invite light skinned rajputs and kshatriya tribes from Jammu region such as jamwals to sleep with their women so that their wives can give birth to pure white looking Native Child.
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If you're ever sick of your life and want to suicide; I say don't. There's a better option, pick place on the map of any Pashtun village/place from Afghanistan/Pakistan. Go there and anounce your self as an atheist. You'll will have your grave soon!Originally posted by kanishka View PostGul Khans are relatively religious, both extreme and moderate
Anti-Pakistani Pakistani Pashtuns (Gul Marjans) are secular muslims with a few atheist/agnostics.
Afghan Pashtuns, half are religious , both moderately and extremely religious
and there are secular Afghan Pashtuns . Usually fanboys of Amanullah Khan and the communists, similar to Gul Marjans in Pakistan
seen secular Gul Khans, but i never seen an atheist gul khan.... because of a Pashtun from Pakistan declared himself to be Ex-muslim, then what reason does he have to call himself Pakistani if Islam was the only thing they had in common with Punjabis ?
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why not ? are you a proud pakistani pashtun?Originally posted by Traveller View PostStop using the word Gul Khan in every post. It's cringy. You've admitted to being an Indic that adopted Pashtun identity so I don't understand why you care so much.
your welcolm to call me gul marjan ....
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there is alot of atheists in a pashtun nationalist circleOriginally posted by salman47 View PostIf you're ever sick of your life and want to suicide; I say don't. There's a better option, pick place on the map of any Pashtun village/place from Afghanistan/Pakistan. Go there and anounce your self as an atheist. You'll will have your grave soon!
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gul khan just means a pashtun that is proud to be pakistani....Originally posted by Traveller View PostStop using the word Gul Khan in every post. It's cringy. You've admitted to being an Indic that adopted Pashtun identity so I don't understand why you care so much.
its how americans used tory to british loyalist during american revolution....
reclaim this name, dont take it as an insult
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What about the difference in religiosity between Pashtuns and other ethnic groups in Afghanistan like the Tajiks, Hazara and Uzbeks? Perhaps Pashtuns are the most conservative Sunnis, but the Tajiks in the northern areas of the country inhabit the towns like Balkh, Herat, Taliqan which have a lot of Islamic heritage and history.[SIZE="4"][FONT="HardTimesW01-Roman"]My Blog
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coolOriginally posted by ذو الفقار View PostWhat about the difference in religiosity between Pashtuns and other ethnic groups in Afghanistan like the Tajiks, Hazara and Uzbeks? Perhaps Pashtuns are the most conservative Sunnis, but the Tajiks in the northern areas of the country inhabit the towns like Balkh, Herat, Taliqan which have a lot of Islamic heritage and history.
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I would say equal, not much different.Originally posted by ذو الفقار View PostWhat about the difference in religiosity between Pashtuns and other ethnic groups in Afghanistan like the Tajiks, Hazara and Uzbeks? Perhaps Pashtuns are the most conservative Sunnis, but the Tajiks in the northern areas of the country inhabit the towns like Balkh, Herat, Taliqan which have a lot of Islamic heritage and history.
But if you compare it to Ozbekistan, Kirgizstan, Turkmenistan and other former Soviet Union countries,,, definitely Afghanistan is very religious by a landslide.
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