Collapse of Sunni/Shia and rise of Quranist

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Bigmo, this goof, "purgham" thinks he is preaching peace when he is actually preaching hatred.

Don't mind him. He forgot to take his medicine today.

[شمله ور خراساني]

What is the fundamental belief of a Quranist?

you should read the ebook I posted. The Quraniyoon of the Twentieth Century

Qurani is not the right name for these people. They are Parvezi's. Because they claim to follow quran only. But the don't. They follow the teachings of a certain Pervez.

They believe that we should only rely on QUran and reject all ahadith. But at the same time, the reject many ayat of quran. Because what they are really after is, the ambigious interpretation of Quran that suites a liberal Western way of life and denounces Islamic way of life as it is known through the practice of the prophet muhammad saww.

[Bigmo]

you should read the ebook I posted. The Quraniyoon of the Twentieth Century

Qurani is not the right name for these people. They are Parvezi's. Because they claim to follow quran only. But the don't. They follow the teachings of a certain Pervez.

They believe that we should only rely on QUran and reject all ahadith. But at the same time, the reject many ayat of quran. Because what they are really after is, the ambigious interpretation of Quran that suites a liberal Western way of life and denounces Islamic way of life as it is known through the practice of the prophet muhammad saww.

Some say we are Mutazilites(which is correct in a way). Others like Al Azhar call us Kharijis. Then others call us Rashad Khalifah followers. Now we are Pervez or whatever his name is. Maybe we are just Quranist.

The Islamic way of life is the Quranic way of life and the Quran existed centuries before this so called Liberalism. Chrsitianity did not create a secondary revelation like Judaism and Islam did. So maybe Christian societies were not swayed away from the teachings of the Gospel as Talmudic Judaism and Sunnah Islam did from the Old Testament and the Quran. Thats why these two religions are very legalistic and ritualistic and are not able to assimilate anywhere.

Quran will be back. And it will take over the world.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Some say we are Mutazilites(which is correct in a way). Others like Al Azhar call us Kharijis. Then others call us Rashad Khalifah followers. Now we are Pervez or whatever his name is. Maybe we are just Quranist.

The Islamic way of life is the Quranic way of life and the Quran existed centuries before this so called Liberalism. Chrsitianity did not create a secondary revelation like Judaism and Islam did. So maybe Christian societies were not swayed away from the teachings of the Gospel as Talmudic Judaism and Sunnah Islam did from the Old Testament and the Quran. Thats why these two religions are very legalistic and ritualistic and are not able to assimilate anywhere.

Quran will be back. And it will take over the world.

have you studied the quran in original arabic? And are you well versed in classical arabic?

[Bigmo]

have you studied the quran in original arabic? And are you well versed in classical arabic?

I speak Arabic and have read the Quran many times. But I have only recently these last 5 years actually studied it. I was raised in a religious environment that taught me the Quran is a Book of recitation and protection, not a Book of religious understanding. Now I know better and I take my Islam directly from the Quran. The Quranic persuasion at first was difficult for me since I had many wrong ideas about religion. Slowly I began to adjust myself to the Quran. Now everything is getting clearer and clearer to me. Quran is peace and freedom.

I also started reading the previous scriptures which helped understand the Quran even better. Quran is a blessing for mankind but we managed to caste it aside and followed a sectarian Islam that was invented by Qureish. Qureish were never loyal to the Quran and turned Islam to a political movement with the Shariah law myth and Sunnah innovation. It turned it into a theocracy under the authority of Abbasid dictators.

Quresih wanted another revelation other than the Quran. It was this that was the main obstacle that the prophet faced from Mecca.

7.15. But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: "Bring us a reading other than this, or change this," Say: "It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day (to come)."

The prophet never had the authority to abrogate the Quran or come up with another revelation to change its teachings as the sects claim.

There are many similarities between the teachings of these sects and pagan societies in the Quran. The law of apostasy came from here:

[19:46] He said, "Have you forsaken my gods, O Abraham? Unless you stop, I will stone you. Leave me alone."

[26:116] They said, "Unless you refrain, O Noah, you will be stoned."

[36:18] They said, "We consider you(Noah) bad omens. Unless you refrain, we will surely stone you, or afflict you with painful retribution."

[44:20] And surely I(Noah) take refuge with my Lord and your Lord that you should stone me to death:''

[11:91] They said, "O Shu`aib, we do not comprehend many of the things you are telling us, and we see that you are powerless among us. If it were not for your tribe, we would have stoned you. You have no value for us."


7.120-124. But the sorcerers fell down prostrate in adoration. Saying: "We believe in the Lord of the Worlds,- "The Lord of Moses and Aaron." Said Pharaoh: "Believe ye in Him before I give you permission? Surely this is a trick which ye have planned in the city to drive out its people: but soon shall ye know (the consequences). "Be sure I will cut off your hands and your feet on apposite sides, and I will cause you all to die on the cross."
The prophet was accused by the pagans of Mecca to be an apostate who denounced the religion of his people and ancestors. They persecuted him and forced him into exile. Upon Meccas entering of Islam and the Ummayids rise to power this mentality re-entered Islam through the Sunnah. It was then codified by the Abbasids to create an Pharoah like theocracy where the ruler has absolute authority regarding people's religious beliefs. It has no basis in the Quran whatsoever.

9.13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

Permission (to fight) is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged, and verily, God has indeed the power to aid them. Those who have been driven from their homelands in defiance of right for no other reason than their saying, ‘Our Lord is God.’ 22:39-40

As for such who do not fight you on account of faith, or drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to deal with them with equity, for God loves those who act equitably. God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of faith and drive you forth from your homelands or aid in driving you forth. As for those from among you who turn towards them for alliance, it is they who are wrongdoers. 60:8-9

The prophet never preached "whoever changes his religion then kill him" as the sect claim. he was a VICTIM of that mentality. The mentality of the Pharoah and the people of Noah and Lot and the other pagans.

Quran is freedom and peace. Haven't you heard?

[Baygham]

.................................................. ..Qureish were never loyal to the Quran and turned Islam to a political movement with the Shariah law myth and Sunnah innovation. It turned it into a theocracy under the authority of Abbasid dictators...............................

za dha sara iim peera, So this whole islam - sharia maria, hadith is a dictator concoction.

Why stop there go take the final step as well. Liberate yourself even further and say well may be the other version of Qureish folk lore that you alluded to was the one, or better still its all folk lore,

But then what about the 10 years learning arabic and memorizing folklore, how will that come handy in building a dam in pakhtunkhwa, or designing a speedy boat for the flood victims. Lets think, think, sorry cant think its bidath, new ideas that are shirk may come to mind. So how to solve the problem without thinking, one can ask ones dog for guidance or a donkey, atleast they can think a little bit and its not shirk. So in short if the dog barks, give it up. Otherwise keep finding patterns in the stars.

[Bigmo]

za dha sara iim peera, So this whole islam - sharia maria, hadith is a dictator concoction.

Why stop there go take the final step as well. Liberate yourself even further and say well may be the other version of Qureish folk lore that you alluded to was the one, or better still its all folk lore,

But then what about the 10 years learning arabic and memorizing folklore, how will that come handy in building a dam in pakhtunkhwa, or designing a speedy boat for the flood victims. Lets think, think, sorry cant think its bidath, new ideas that are shirk may come to mind. So how to solve the problem without thinking, one can ask ones dog for guidance or a donkey, atleast they can think a little bit and its not shirk. So in short if the dog barks, give it up. Otherwise keep finding patterns in the stars.

There has been Christian scriptures that were not canonized that did talk about the stars and their positioning. One prophet was given that knowledge. It was not canonized but still is a valid scripture. The Quran alludes to many traditions like Jesus speaking in the cradle and Mary delivering Jesus under a palm tree that were spoken about in Christian scriptures but did not form the official collection. there are many reasons as to why some scriptures were not canonized. There is a documentary called "Banned from the Bible" in youtube that talks about these scriptures. Even the story of satan not bowing to Adam was mentioned in some Christian scriptures.

As far as progress, I think this is Wahhabi Islam influence in Afghanistan. The propblem is you can not fight these things with bombs. You have to educate people. But governments will fight the Quran since it does not give authority to the ruler. even prophets have limited authoprity in the Quran. By giving the prophet absolute religious authority, the sects can now transfer that authority to the ruler. Now the religious clerics and the ruler who pays their salaries both do not want the Quranist persuasion to succeed. But it will fail. Wahhabism has been the Quran's best friend as it exposed many of the hidden teachings of Sunni Islam that remained buried under Sufi influence. Political Islam brought out the reality of these sects. That they are a dictatorial theocracy that preaches violence and opreession, that they abrogate the Old and New testament and abrogated the Quran. that their teachings contradict the teachings of the Quran. Now more than ever Muslims are being confronted with these contradictions.

Sharial Law ia a myth. The Quran never mentioned the Caliphate or conquest or talked about the Sunnah. Its not the Sunnah of the prophet, its the Sunnah of Quresih. The same Sunnah of the Pharoah and Babylon and Rome. Just like the Romans fought Jesus, and the babylonians fought Ibraheem, today;s tyrants and their colonial sponsors will fight the Quran. because the Quran gives the religion back to the people and gives back judgement to God. Not the ruler.

Quran is freedom. I thought I told ya.

[Baygham]

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pa pakhtoo wakhtoo jorre na rasee. arabee kho dhe kha zdda dha, oos pakthtoo hum zdda ka.

[Bigmo]

pa pakhtoo wakhtoo jorre na rasee. arabee kho dhe kha zdda dha, oos pakthtoo hum zdda ka.

Whats this saying?

[Baygham]

pa pakhtoo wakhtoo jorre na rasee. arabee kho dhe kha zdda dha, oos pakthtoo hum zdda ka.

Whats this saying?

LOL, go to your punjabi websites to preach your venom there.

[Ezatullah]

(Quraniat or munkir hadith) the prophet alehi salam says in a hadith ) there will come a person who will say whatever you find in Quran take that as halal and whatever is haram take that .. then prophet says my order is the same what I tell you haram is haram what i tell you is halal is halal and from now donkeys are haram). So the Prophet alehi salam has already told us that qurani will come will and they will say Quran Quran .. (agents of kufar).These modernist wants to change Islam so the first thing they want to do is attack the hadiths by rejecting it in different ways . I know your waste of time but still i would do this for the sake of Allah that you might become a Muslim. Status of sunnah in Islam.
(1) First is the Prophet don’t lie and don’t make mistakes when spreading the religion of Allah. Allah swt says in his book sura Al Haqaa ... 37) So I swear by whatsoever you see, (38) And by whatsoever you see not, (39) That this is verily the word of an honoured Messenger [i.e. Jibril (Gabriel) or Muhammad SAW which he has brought from Allâh]. (40) It is not the word of a poet, little is that you believe! (41) Nor is it the word of a soothsayer (or a foreteller), little is that you remember! (42) This is the Revelation sent down from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists). (43) And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allâh swt), (44) We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), (45) And then we certainly would have cut off his life artery (Aorta), (46) And none of you could witheld Us from (punishing) him. (47
What dose these aya shows that Prophet don’t lie and whatever he is telling you is coming from Allah. Sura Najim ayat 1 to 3.. (1) Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor has erred. (2) Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. (3)
So the Prophets are to be obeyd .

(2)Second proof is that Allah swt might could have send this book in mountain people would have found it and read it and live life according to it what was the need of Prophets? Allah swt has Always chosed the Prophets to communicate with people not directly. Allah swt says in his book ,Sura Nisa ayat 64 . We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed by Allah’s Leave. why did Allah send Prophets? That we look at them how they pray fast and put it into practise if you don’t put it into practise what is the need of these Prophets? All the prophets has same mission to be obeyed. Prophets in the past commanded for the People to Obey them:

Nuh (as) - "So fear Allah, and obey me." (Qur'an 26:108)
Hud (as) - "So fear Allah and obey me." (Qur'an 26:126)
Salih (as) - "So fear Allah, and obey me." (Qur'an 26:144)
Lut (as) - "So fear Allah and obey me." (Qur'an 26:163)
Shu'ab (as) - "So fear Allah and obey me." (Qur'an 26:179)
Isa bin Maryam (as) - "...therefore fear Allah and obey me." (Qur'an 43:63)

(3)Third proof .. the sahaba obeying Rasoolullah saws while Quran was releaved and Allah didn’t revealed a single ayat to forbid them from obeying, on the opposite Allah swt warned them of not obeying.like sura al emran Allah swt repriminding them of not obeying the Prophet alehi salam in war of Uhud.So when Allah and his Prophet alehi salam are silent of a issue meaning they are happy or Allah swt would have revealed ayats to stop them from obeying. And what dose Allah swt says about sahaba. Sura al Baqara ayat 137 .. So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allâh will suffice for you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. (137) so by obeying the Prophets they are guided and people to whom we look as role models.
(4)proof..are the verses in Quran which proof to you that you must follow the Prophet alehi salam (a)firs cagatory of ayats . where Allah swt says believe in the Prophet ( mohamad Rasoolulah) meaning have eman on the Prophet . So now what is eman? Meaning of eman is to believe the more you obey him more you have eman in you .what he tells you to do you do it what he stops you from you stop the more you obey more you have eman in you. (b) (43) With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the Dhikr [the reminder and the advice (the Qur'ân)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought. (sura nahl ayat 44) in this verse Allah says you explain to them the book. so if his explanation was not needed what did Allah say it so?so the main goal of the Prophet alehi salam is to explain the book. (c)Allah swt says in his book he revealed quran with it something else as well . (anzalaho al kitab wal hikmah) kitab is quran and hikmah is the Sunnah of Prophet alehi salam. So the sunnah is also part of islam. (d) ayats where Allah orders to obey the Prophet alehi salam . 13 - These are the limits set by God. And those who follow the commandments of God and the messenger will be admitted to gardens with streams of water running by, wherein they abide forever. This is the greatest triumph. Those who disobey God and the messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a fire and abide there forever and shall have a humiliating punishment 59 - O you who believe! Obey God and obey His messenger and those charged with authority among you. If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His messenger, if you do believe in God and the Last Day. That is best and the most suitable for final determination.. (sura nisa) Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger, but if you turn away, Allah loves not the disbelievers. (Surat Ali Imraan 3:32) And obey Allah and the Messenger so that you may be blessed. (Surat Ali Imraan 3:132) So fear Allah and set things right between you, and obey Allah and His Messenger if you are (in truth) believers. (Suratul Anfaal 8:1) O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and do not make your deeds vain. (Surat Muhammad 47:33) And if you obey him (the Prophet, sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam), you shall find the right path. (Suratun-Nur 54) And establish regular prayer and pay the poor-due and obey the Prophet so that you may be blessed. (Suratun-Nur 24:56)

On that day, those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger will wish that the earth might be leveled with them. (Suratun-Nisaa 4:42)

The reason that the obedience of the Messenger (alehi salam) is not always mentioned with Allahs obedience is given in the Quran, itself:

And whoever obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah. (Suratun-Nisaa 4:80)
Obedience to the Prophet (alehi salam) does not mean that the people who were present at the time of the prophethood of Allahs Final Messenger (alehi salam) were to obey him only, but the obedience of the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) is a commandment for all of mankind and for all times. The Quran and Islam are for all people of all times and if obedience to the Messenger (alehi salam) was meant for only his time, then it would mean that the Quran and Islam were also only meant for one time. But the Quran refutes this idea:

Say: O mankind! Indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you allso believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write and who believes in Allah and in His Words and follow him so that you may be led aright. (Suratul Araaf 7:158)

Obeying the Prophet (alehi salam) is obeying Allah as stated in verse 4:80 of the Quran. The Quran states:

Nor does he (the Prophet, sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) speak of (his own) desire. It is naught but an inspiration that is inspired, which one of mighty powers has taught him. (Suratun-Najm 53:3-5)

The Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) received two types of revelation from Allah. The first type is called al wahy al matluw, which means the recited revelation and this refers to the Holy Quran, which is the Speech of Allah. Another issue that needs attention is the role that the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) was sent to play. Was he sent to merely deliver the Quran to the people without explaining or teaching them anything about it? Was his only job to hand over the Book and let the people do whatever they wanted with it? Was his role like that of a mailman? The answer is clearly a no and this answer is supported with Allahs Words. In fact, Ibrahim (alaiyhis-salaam) prayed:

Our Lord! Raise in their midst a messenger from among themselves who recites to them Your verses and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom and purifies them. (Suratul Baqarah 2:129)

Allah answered his prayer and He says in His Book about the Final Messenger (alehi salam):

Allah has surely blessed the believers with His favor when He raised in their midst a Messenger from among themselves, who recites to them the Book and the wisdom, while they were, before, in plain error. (Surat Ali Imraan 3:164)

He is the One Who raised up, among the unlettered, a Messenger from among themselves who recites the verses of Allah and makes them pure and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom. (Suratul Jumuah 62:2)

In these verses, Allah describes the role of the Prophet (alehi salam) and why he was sent and what he is to accomplish. The Prophet (alehi salam) was given the following responsibilities:

1. To recite the verses of Allah.
2. To teach the Book of Allah.
3. To teach the Wisdom.
4. To make the people pure.

So the Quran clearly tells us that the Prophet (alehi salam) is not to merely recite and hand over the Quran to the people without helping them gain its benefits and without helping them understand it. He is required to recite the Book, teach it, explain its wisdom, and through it, make the people pure by teaching them how to apply it. The Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) is the authority on how the Quran is recited. He is the only one who can interpret it. He is the only one who can provide the wisdom of the Quran to the people through divine guidance and he is entrusted with the training of the people to bring his teachings into practice.

Say: Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; then if you turn away, upon him rests what is laid on him and upon you rests what is laid on you. If you obey him, you will be guided. (Suratun-Nur 24:54)

And we sent no messenger, but that he should be obeyed by the leave of Allah. (Suratun-Nisaa 4:64)

Verse 64 of Suratun-Nisaa, above, proves furthermore that the Final Messenger (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) must be obeyed because every prophet was sent to guide their people and it was required upon the people to follow and obey him by the will of Allah. Messengers are the spokesmen of Allah. People cannot obey Allah until they obey the prophets. And when they obey the prophet, they must also follow him and put into action the obedience:

Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, and Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. (Surat Ali Imraan 3:31)

Believe then, in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him so that you may be on the right path. (Suratul Araaf 7:157)

There is indeed a good example for you in the Messenger of Allah for the one who hopes (to meet) Allah and the Hereafter, and remembers Allah much. (Suratul Ahzaab 33:21)

If it was not required for the people to follow the Prophet (alehi salam) then it would have been an impossible task for him to reform and purify them. If someone studies a certain subject such as medicine, but they dont do any hands-on work to gain experience, he cannot start working as a doctor immediately with no supervision, risking the lives of his patients. He must be working under the supervision of experienced doctors. In the same way, the people cannot be given the Book of Allah only. Along with it, they must be given a teacher to teach them the Books instructions and duties. They must have a teacher to teach them and set an example for them on how to apply the Quran.

The Arabs were much more familiar with the language of the Quran as well as its eloquent style than us. They received the verses of the Quran directly from the Prophet (alehi salam) and witnessed its revelation. Yet, even they needed the explanation of the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) in regard to understanding the meanings of the Quran. For example, Allah states in Suratul Ahzaab, verse 59:

Oh Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they should cast their outer jalabib (plural of jilbab) over them; so that they may be known (for piety) and not harmed; and Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

The companions (radiyyallahu anhum) did not know what the jalabib was referring to. The Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) explained that it was one sheet that was used to cover the entire body, from head to toe, leaving only the left eye to see and this was narrated by Ibn Abbas (radiyyallahu anhu).

It does not make sense for the Muslims of today to say, The Quran is enough. We do not need the Sunnah. Arent we more in need of the Sunnah than the companions and those who were actually present with the Beloved Messenger (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam)? The Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) stated: Very soon a tradition of mine will be related to a person lying on his couch who will say, The Book of Allah (i.e., Quran) is enough between you and us. Whatever we find in it as halal (lawful and permissible), we accept it as halal and whatever we find in it as haram (unlawful and prohibited), we take that as haram. Behold, whatever Allahs Messenger has declared as haram is just like that which Allah has declared as haram.

It is ridiculous to claim that all the ahaadith are unreliable and were not preserved. Allah has stated, in His Book:

Indeed, (it is) We who have revealed the Remembrance and indeed We will guard it (from corruption). (Suratul Hijr 15:9)

The Remembrance, referred to in this verse, is the Quran and its explanation and wisdom. There is no way we can obey the Quran without obeying the Sunnah. If Allah did not protect the Sunnah and the ahaadith, then how can we act upon the Quran? The Quran tells us to pray. But if the Sunnah is corrupt, then how do we pray? The Quran does not tell us. The Quran commands believers to pay zakah, but how much do we pay and how often? The Quran does not say it, but the Sunnah does. The companions of the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam) went through so much pains and sacrifice to preserve the Sunnah of the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam). They knew every detail of when he would say what he said, why hed say it, where hed say it, etc.

We see a good example of this in Abu Hurairah (radiyyallahu anhu), who narrated: I have divided my night into three parts. In one third of the night, I perform salah. In one third, I sleep. And in one third, I memorize the ahaadith of the Prophet of Allah (sallallahu alaiyhi wa sallam). Abu Hurairah (radiyyallahu anhu) reported more ahaadith than any other companion.

One time Marwan ibn al-Hakam wanted to test Abu Hurairah's (radiyyallahu anhu) power of memory. He sat with him in one room and behind a curtain he placed a scribe, unknown to Abu Hurairah, and ordered him to write down whatever Abu Hurairah said. A year later, Marwan called Abu Hurairah again and asked him to recall the same ahaadith, which the scribe had recorded. It was found that he had not forgotten or left out even a single word.
(5) Proof is that All muslims agrees on following the Prophet alehi salam .even the deviant groups . these are few points to proof you must obey the Prophet alehi salam.
NEXT TOPIC .. QURAN IS COMPLETE .YES QURAN IS COMPLETE BUT SAME QURAN IS TELLING US TO OBEY PROPHET ALEHI SALAM ..the hadith are protected as Quran is .Allah order us to obey the Prophet alehi salam if he don`t protect the sunnah how can we follow his sunnah? To say that Allah promised to protect only Qur'an but not Islam is being as ridiculous as one can get
HADITH ARE COLLECTED BY ONLY IMAM BUKHARI HADITH WROTE NOT WRITTEN BEFORE THAT ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::well a jahil ignorant would say this 1 narration in abu dawud that Prophet alehi salam wrote a letter telling umar bin hazam rt to take it to sham .. in that letter where ahkam yani which act to do what not .so Prophet wrote his hadith. 2 when the prophet concord Macca he order ( uktubo haza li abee shah) write these sayings of mine for this peron. 3 Abdullah bin umro says he use to write every the Prophet alehi salam says some sahaba stoped him so when the Prophet alehi salam heard about it he said (uktub fawalazee nafsee be yadee ma yakhruju al haq) write it nothing comes out from this toung except the truth. 4 Ayeasha rt says ( wajatu fee qami saifi Rasoolullah alehi salam kitabeen) i found two written books under the sword of Prophet Alehi salam . 5 Abu hurira rt says none of the sahabee knew more hadith then me except Abdullah bin umro because he use to write them.7 its in tabaqat ibn sad that sahabee Abdullah bin umar ibn al 3as collected hadith in a book and named it alsaheefatu sadiqa. It had 1000 hadith imam ahmad has narrated most of it in his musnad.8 when wail bin hujr sahabee wanted to go back to his home town he told maiwiya rt to write for him akham .. so the maweiya radelalho anho wrote for the the hadith of Prophet alehi salam 8 Ali radelaho anho was asked the Prophet alehi salam wrote haditt for you he said yes .. the don`t kill a muslim for kafir etc. Ali rt had a saheefa which is collected by imam ahmad Sa3ad bin mua3d had it most of it is in Tirmidi . Jabir bin Abdullah had collected hadith which most of it is present in musnad imam ahmad . i can go and go........... for hours this just about sahaba collectiong (If you wont we can have voice debate on this ) i cant write all in. TABAEEN WHO COLLECTED HADITH.Abdullah bin khatir 120 hijr Nafi bin abdurahman 168 hijri Abdullah bin zaid 118 hijri i can go and go...so i have proved to you that hadith collection started at the time of Rasoolullah alehi salam not only imam bukhari
Prophetic Hadith proving Authenticity of Hadith

The Prophet (salalahu alahi wasalam), according to the hadith, prophecised many things to come such are examples (excluding the minor signs such as fornication, widespread, much killing etc) that were fulfilled:

1. Prophecy of Abu Bakr (ra) to take over the Muslim Ummah
2. Prophecy of the Conquest of Egypt
3. Prophecy of the end of the Persian and Roman Empires
4. Prophecy of Umar's (ra) Murder
5. Prophecy of Uthman's (ra) Trials
6. Prophecy of Amaar Ibn Yaasir's Killing
7. Prophecy of the time period of the the Khalifa-ul-Rashidun
8. Prophecy of Imam Hasan (ra) uniting two groups of Muslims
9. Prophecy of the Martyrdom of Umm Haram Bint Milhaan (ra)
10. Prophecy of the Muslim Armies reaching Sidnh and India
11. Prophecy of the Muslims fighting the Turks
12. Prophecy of the Fire in the Land of Hijaaz
13. Prophecy of the conquest of Constantinople
14. Prophecy of the coming of False Prophets
15. Prophecy of Masjid Al-Nabi becoming a "White Castle" as Dajjal refers too
16. Prophecy of Fitna past 60 AH (Imam Husayn's Maryrdom)
CAN WE FIND EVERY THING IN QURAN:
How do you perform Salat?
Can a common person find out how many Rakat's there are?
Can we perform Salat when we are naked?
Is it ok to perform Salat right behind a Woman, behind her behind?
How do you determine the amount to give for Zakat?
How much is the Jizya tax?
Can men look at naked men?
Is Cross Dressing Permissible?
Is Alcohol permissible, how do we know which verse came first?
Is Vinegar Haram since it comes from Wine?
How do we get Married?
Can we eat Monkeys or Tigers or Bears?
Can we sodomize our Wives?
Can we read the Bible for Guidance?
If a male has Madhy does he require Ghusl?
If in travel, how do we shorten the prayer?
If in travel, could travel mean across the street, what is the length?
Where to cut ones hand when they steal? And for how much of amount?
Allah swt says in sura maida first ayat ..O ye who believe! Fulfil your undertakings. The beast of cattle is made lawful unto you (for food) except that which is announced unto you (herein), game being unlawful when ye are on the pilgrimage. Lo! Allah ordaineth that which pleaseth Him.... name those animals which we can eat those which we cant ?
Quran says dead are haram for you sura maida 3 ayat .. how do we eat fish then? Do we put it alive in oil or slaughter it?
Allah swt says in his book sur al isra .. 77) Establish worship at the going down of the sun until the dark of night, and (the recital of) the Qur'an at dawn. Lo! (the recital of) the Qur'an at dawn is ever witnessed. (78) .. do we pray from morning til dark ?none stop
Allah swt told musa that no one can see me .. Quran says in sura najim 11 to 13 .. 11) Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he seeth? (12) And verily he saw him yet another time .. whom is this ayat talking about .it shows someone has seen Allah.
How do we fast? What to eat and what not?
What about zakat ? how much you pay .. per month year per day...
Sura Tahrim 1 ayat .. O Prophet! Why bannest thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives........ what was the thing that prophet alehi salam forbid him self from?</SPAN>
Sura noor .. 1) The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment) this is the punishment for none married girl .. what is the punishment for those who are married?
Sura Al Isra .. Glorified (and Exalted) is He (Allâh) [above all that (evil) they associate with Him]. Who took His slave (Muhammad SAW) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid-al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem), the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad SAW) of Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer[] where is masjid al haram and al aqsa.. i think its near my house what do you say? .......................................... first you answer these questions then will post other .. but you take your whole life for it .. losers like you would never answer it .. we the defenders of sunnah from people like you.. now kindly responed with proofs not while you drunk and same time write ..

[Bigmo]

LOL, go to your punjabi websites to preach your venom there.

I am not Punjabi. I am not even Pakistani or Afghani. I am a Quranist.

I bring forth arguments from the Quran as any witness to my posts can see. There seems to be ad hominem attacks being made by some here. Look, you don't have to like me or hate, its the Quran that matters. Not me. I am not a follower of any sects or sheikh or organization. I follow the Quran and try to understand my religions from its verses.

Sunnis and Shias and Ahmedis and Zaidis and Ismaelis all limit the Quran to recitation and memorization. They do not take their deen from the Quran. They follow OTHER SOURCES compiled by their respective sects. Each sect accuses the other of lying about the prophet and fabricating hadith.

The Quran talks about the dangers of following hadiths by men and dividing our deen into rival sects. The war between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq and between Sufis and Wahhabis in Somalia and the blood bath in Darfur and Pakistan are all from the sectarian hadiths.

Quran is freedom. Quran is peace. Quran is justice.

Haven't you heard?

[Ezatullah]

I am not Punjabi. I am not even Pakistani or Afghani. I am a Quranist.

I bring forth arguments from the Quran as any witness to my posts can see. There seems to be ad hominem attacks being made by some here. Look, you don't have to like me or hate, its the Quran that matters. Not me. I am not a follower of any sects or sheikh or organization. I follow the Quran and try to understand my religions from its verses.

Sunnis and Shias and Ahmedis and Zaidis and Ismaelis all limit the Quran to recitation and memorization. They do not take their deen from the Quran. They follow OTHER SOURCES compiled by their respective sects. Each sect accuses the other of lying about the prophet and fabricating hadith.

The Quran talks about the dangers of following hadiths by men and dividing our deen into rival sects. The war between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq and between Sufis and Wahhabis in Somalia and the blood bath in Darfur and Pakistan are all from the sectarian hadiths.

Quran is freedom. Quran is peace. Quran is justice.

Haven't you heard?

are you blind ? cant you see my response to your questions .. how about we have voice debate ? we can learn from a Qurani? lets see how much you know about Quran?

[Bigmo]

are you blind ? cant you see my response to your questions .. how about we have voice debate ? we can learn from a Qurani? lets see how much you know about Quran?

Have you read some of my posts? Anyways what do you want to debate about? You have posted an article but it has many arguments.

In it the author said that all prophets should be obeyed. He or she quotes some verses from Quran:

Prophets in the past commanded for the People to Obey them:
Nuh (as) - "So fear Allah, and obey me." (Qur'an 26:108)
Hud (as) - "So fear Allah and obey me." (Qur'an 26:126)
Salih (as) - "So fear Allah, and obey me." (Qur'an 26:144)
Lut (as) - "So fear Allah and obey me." (Qur'an 26:163)
Shu'ab (as) - "So fear Allah and obey me." (Qur'an 26:179)
Isa bin Maryam (as) - "...therefore fear Allah and obey me." (Qur'an 43:63)

The propblem here is the statement "prophets of the past". Are you saying that obedience to the prophets were only for people at their time and not the future generations? Since prophet Muhammad is also form the past what are you trying to tell us?