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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W1XXMPgG8M

  • #2
    a lot of people are leaving Islam, I actually know 4 people personally who have. While muslims boast about how Islam is the fastest growing religion, there is the other side of the story too.

    This is obviously happening because of the evils of modern (Salafi/Wahabhi) versions of Islam

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Karachi View Post
      a lot of people are leaving Islam, I actually know 4 people personally who have. While muslims boast about how Islam is the fastest growing religion, there is the other side of the story too.

      This is obviously happening because of the evils of modern (Salafi/Wahabhi) versions of Islam
      Yes, and not to forget muslims who are just muslims in name, but are too afraid to say that they are not relligious, the damage of the wahabis and salafis is huge, no communist or atheist would have pushed so many people out of Islam as what they do.

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      • #4
        According to Qur'an there is no compulsion in religion so good luck to them.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shapur View Post
          According to Qur'an there is no compulsion in religion so good luck to them.
          Really??? Then why are apostates killed?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Khostai View Post
            Really??? Then why are apostates killed?
            Yes, really. I can post the Ayah if you want but people do alot of stupid stuff in the name of religion for their own interests so there you go.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Shapur View Post
              According to Qur'an there is no compulsion in religion so good luck to them.
              no one will listen to you me friend, try telling that too people in Pakistan, Saudi etc... they will probably kill you for just telling them that

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                Yes, and not to forget muslims who are just muslims in name, but are too afraid to say that they are not relligious, the damage of the wahabis and salafis is huge, no communist or atheist would have pushed so many people out of Islam as what they do.
                Islam is growing actually. Even though some Muslims leave Islam, they have a high birth rate to make up for that. Also, most Western European nations are run by socialist loons that encourage Muslim immigration to their lands.

                Muslims are also becoming more and more religious with each generation (you can thank the rich Saudi Wahabis for that).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Azad Pashtunistan View Post
                  Islam is growing actually. Even though some Muslims leave Islam, they have a high birth rate to make up for that. Also, most Western European nations are run by socialist loons that encourage Muslim immigration to their lands.

                  Muslims are also becoming more and more religious with each generation (you can thank the rich Saudi Wahabis for that).
                  I thnk we have reached the highest point in religiousity in Islam. With products like taliban and ISIS there can only be a deacrease now.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                    I thnk we have reached the highest point in religiousity in Islam. With products like taliban and ISIS there can only be a deacrease now.
                    I doubt it. Not all Muslim regions are that religious. Some regions like Albania, Bosnia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Azerbaijan, Sub-Sahara, etc. are still very secular compared to MENA countries and Afghanistan/Pakistan.

                    There have been some people from those countries that told me every time they go back to visit those countries, they see more and more Muslim women wearing hijabs there.

                    A guy from southern China told me there were a decent amount of Huis where he lived and they have also started becoming more and more religious. Their women wear hijabs more and they build their mosques more in Arabic styles rather than Chinese styles.

                    Malays have stopped Mandi Safar since the Islamization started. This recently happened in Indonesia: http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2016/02/2...ng-traditional

                    Also, look what happened to Turkey after Erdogan took power.

                    I've also heard FGM was on the rise.

                    Muslim ethnic nationalist movements also seem to be becoming more religion based rather than ethnic based (Chechens, Moros, Palestinians, etc.).

                    The regions where there can be a decrease in religiousness are Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iraq as those regions are extremely religious. All other lands seem to be becoming more and more religious, which is very bad.

                    In case you haven't seen this already, here's a relevant link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_revival

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Azad Pashtunistan View Post
                      I doubt it. Not all Muslim regions are that religious. Some regions like Albania, Bosnia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Azerbaijan, Sub-Sahara, etc. are still very secular compared to MENA countries and Afghanistan/Pakistan.

                      There have been some people from those countries that told me every time they go back to visit those countries, they see more and more Muslim women wearing hijabs there.

                      A guy from southern China told me there were a decent amount of Huis where he lived and they have also started becoming more and more religious. Their women wear hijabs more and they build their mosques more in Arabic styles rather than Chinese styles.

                      Malays have stopped Mandi Safar since the Islamization started. This recently happened in Indonesia: http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2016/02/2...ng-traditional

                      Also, look what happened to Turkey after Erdogan took power.

                      I've also heard FGM was on the rise.

                      Muslim ethnic nationalist movements also seem to be becoming more religion based rather than ethnic based (Chechens, Moros, Palestinians, etc.).

                      The regions where there can be a decrease in religiousness are Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iraq as those regions are extremely religious. All other lands seem to be becoming more and more religious, which is very bad.

                      In case you haven't seen this already, here's a relevant link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_revival
                      Albanian are just in name muslims they dont even know how to pray. Central Asia are acting very strict against Islamist, Tajikistan even banned religious political parties. The rest is up to debate and by the way they can see what happend in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan and learn from it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                        Albanian are just in name muslims they dont even know how to pray. Central Asia are acting very strict against Islamist, Tajikistan even banned religious political parties. The rest is up to debate and by the way they can see what happend in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan and learn from it.
                        Yes, you're right about Central Asia. They make me very happy. I hope they can keep it that way.

                        I've heard from a Kosovar and some Bosnians on Muslims getting more religious there. I think countries from West Asia, Central Asia, and Af-Pak will get less religious; but we can only hope the same happens elsewhere.

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                        • #13
                          I know 2 south asians who have left Islam completely.
                          Most young Muslims I have met don't practice.
                          Sometimes when they're drunk, they even do a little dawah lol



                          "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                            a lot of people are leaving Islam, I actually know 4 people personally who have. While muslims boast about how Islam is the fastest growing religion, there is the other side of the story too.

                            This is obviously happening because of the evils of modern (Salafi/Wahabhi) versions of Islam
                            The salafi/wahabi preachers are too lazy to hide the dirt under the carpet.



                            "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Azad Pashtunistan View Post
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                              There have been some people from those countries that told me every time they go back to visit those countries, they see more and more Muslim women wearing hijabs there.

                              That's good news, we should do what we can to galvanize this trend and reverse the affects of the last 200 years of cultural imperialism. Even though I don't like the more rigid Saudi varieties of influences, I do think it's a strong platform to reenvigorate Muslims over all.

                              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                              don’t try to be smart.

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