Oldest Quran pages dating back to the time of the Prophet found in UK

[Damir9000]

easy there. that "Damir" guy, yeah well, you know, like doesn't speak this kind, of like language, man. like slow down a bit there, guy, man.

calm down. Scientists laugh at you, not at me.

Though, I know what Carbon dating is, It doesn't mean that I know the methods and their application.

It's funny how you use science when it's convenient for you.

Unlikely you, I don't base my life on a fairy tale or believe a man who received a revelation in a cave.
But you know very well it is silly, for that very reason who don't adhere to Mormonism and prophet Joseph Smith.

[Damir9000]

Lol when kafirs all of a sudden become conspiracy theorists lol

I think Shaytan wanting to corrupt Humankind is the biggest Conspiracy theory ever.

[Damir9000]

But your suggestion would be very unlikely because it would mean they had fore knowledge on what to cherry pick and what not to.

Care to show a case where they kept arbitrary in tact with certain parts forged in tact or arbitrary parts forged with certain parts in tact

You believe right from the start that Quran was never altered.
I don't understand the narrative your explaining.
I don't need to prove the Quran was altered. Muslims have to prove it wasn't.
All they have found is old parchments which have parts of today's Quran written on them.

The Islamic argument is about it being absolutely never altered.
Just because these parchments do not have contradictions with today. It can't speak for the rest.
Why don't they have the entirety of it then? Maybe they threw away rest away and it is anybody's guess why.

A book can change a little or a lot from first rough draft to final draft.

[کیش]

calm down. Scientists laugh at you, not at me.

Though, I know what Carbon dating is, It doesn't mean that I know the methods and their application.

It's funny how you use science when it's convenient for you.

Unlikely you, I don't base my life on a fairy tale or believe a man who received a revelation in a cave.
But you know very well it is silly, for that very reason who don't adhere to Mormonism and prophet Joseph Smith.

This post?

Yeah well, you know, Coming from an uneducated person. That is like, just your opinion, man.

[Damir9000]

This post?

Yeah well, you know, Coming from an uneducated person. That is like, just your opinion, man.

Yeah, well, that's not my opinion. Just watch Talks between Muslims & other religious people vs scientists.

[Manzareh]

Yeah, well, that's not my opinion. Just watch Talks between Muslims & other religious people vs scientists.

Scientists can never win a debate against people of god because they dont have any evidence of their claims on the origin of the universe, all you have is a bunch of theories and 'possibilities' .. therefore your Atheism is no more than a belief system, something you have 'faith' in, you dont know science you put your faith and trust in people. The same way people of God such as us Muslims dont have the answers to everything but we have a belief system and faith. Atheists say its absurd for the world to be created by a supreme creator, Muslims say its absurd for the world to appear (something from nothing). none have any evidence for their claims.

[Manzareh]

I don't need to prove the Quran was altered. Muslims have to prove it wasn't.

Says who? who do i HAVE to prove it to? you automatically assume being muslim means we have to justify everything to you? screw you, you prove to ME that it was altered since your coming up with the conspiracy.

You see, this is your inferiority complex playing up. Most probably the reason why you are proud of being whitewashed etc and keep repeating it. You are an uncle tom house negro. You were made to feel small and inferior compared to your Kafir friends, colleagues and other people in your Canadian social circle, and because your an insecure wreck you got on your knees and begged to be accepted by them, if it meant abandoning your beliefs and family then so be it. You are naturally a Beta male, it oozes through every one of your posts. see me i'm an Alpha male put me in a group of a hundred kafirs and i'll be the dominant one, i will never adjust myself for anyone. pick up your balls and do some unbiased research, if it means you wont be invited to Michael's birthday party then so be it, atleast you'll stil have some honor and respect left in you.

[Damir9000]

Scientists can never win a debate against people of god because they dont have any evidence of their claims on the origin of the universe, all you have is a bunch of theories and 'possibilities' .. therefore your Atheism is no more than a belief system, something you have 'faith' in, you dont know science you put your faith and trust in people. The same way people of God such as us Muslims dont have the answers to everything but we have a belief system and faith. Atheists say its absurd for the world to be created by a supreme creator, Muslims say its absurd for the world to appear (something from nothing). none have any evidence for their claims.

You are wrong on so many levels.

1) Muslims/religious people don't have evidence about the origin of Universe. All they have are tales.
Scientists on the other hand have some evidence to back up their claims about the Universe.
Scientists have debunked religious explanations of the world: From the Flat Earth to Birds being held in sky thanks to the power of Allah.
Muslims/religious people are the only ones who show no evidence for their claims.


2) Atheism is not a belief system.

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.


Being an Atheist means that I am not convinced with your fairy tales.
So, I don't have faith in there is no God. There is no valid reason for God.

And you yourself admit Muslims have no evidence for their claims.


3) You have a huge problem with the notion of Universe appearing from nothing.
But, you have no problem with God coming from nothing.

[Damir9000]

Says who? who do i HAVE to prove it to? you automatically assume being muslim means we have to justify everything to you? screw you, you prove to ME that it was altered since your coming up with the conspiracy.

You see, this is your inferiority complex playing up. Most probably the reason why you are proud of being whitewashed etc and keep repeating it. You are an uncle tom house negro. You were made to feel small and inferior compared to your Kafir friends, colleagues and other people in your Canadian social circle, and because your an insecure wreck you got on your knees and begged to be accepted by them, if it meant abandoning your beliefs and family then so be it. You are naturally a Beta male, it oozes through every one of your posts. see me i'm an Alpha male put me in a group of a hundred kafirs and i'll be the dominant one, i will never adjust myself for anyone. pick up your balls and do some unbiased research, if it means you wont be invited to Michael's birthday party then so be it, atleast you'll stil have some honor and respect left in you.

Well, you don't have to prove it because you can't do anything.
Muslims have to prove it because they have made the claim that the Quran was unaltered.
When you make a claim you have to prove it.

Please...We all know who are the biggest believers of conspiracy are.

No, Canada is a very tolerant & welcoming place. Unlike, Islamic countries.
For 23 years, I was never questioned or mock for religious beliefs in the public.
My belief in Allah & Islam was created by social pressure from my Muslims circle & family.
Throughout my life, my friends compose of Muslims, Christians, Hindus & Buddhists.
I had no atheist friends.
My disbelief stems from reading & listening to stuff on the internet.
I became an Atheist in from of my computer.
Internet Akbar! Praise the Internet!

You are way too proud to be Muslim. I think you are over-compensating.
Where does your pride come from?

I doubt you're actually that cool.

i will never adjust myself for anyone.

you see that's the problem. you believe that you can never be wrong.

[Manzareh]

You are wrong on so many levels.

1) Muslims/religious people don't have evidence about the origin of Universe. All they have are tales.
Scientists on the other hand have some evidence to back up their claims about the Universe.
Scientists have debunked religious explanations of the world: From the Flat Earth to Birds being held in sky thanks to the power of Allah.
Muslims/religious people are only who show any evidence for their claims.

You have NO EVIDENCE to back up your claim that it is possible for something to come from nothing.

2) Atheism is not a belief system.

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.


Being an Atheist means that I am not convinced with your fairy tales.
So, I don't have faith in there is no God. There is no valid reason for God.

And you yourself admit Muslims have no evidence for their claims.

Yes its the lack of belief in the existence of Gods, but its still a belief system because even though you have no evidence for the origin of the universe you have beliefs, you have FAITH. You have a belief system, because you believe in certain things and people that you do not know.

Yes Muslims do not have evidence for everything, its called FAITH (look up the definition of that word while your checking the dictionary out)

3) You have a huge problem with the notion of Universe appearing from nothing.
But, you have no problem with God coming from nothing.

Obviously, i would a million times rather believe God created the universe than conform to some stupidity that the original matter in the universe came from nothing, it's illogical.. you believe in science, science is logical, so how is it logical for something to come from nothing? in science there has to be n initial action for the chain of reactions to follow. What an idiot you must be to believe that particles appeared like magic.

As for your last line, thats the most ridiculous statement i have read on PF. Thats why he's called God, he has no beginning and no end, if he was created he wouldnt be God. Can't believe im even explaining this.

[Manzareh]

Well, you don't have to prove it because you can't do anything.
Muslims have to prove it because they have made the claim that the Quran was unaltered.
When you make a claim you have to prove it.

Please...We all know who are the biggest believers of conspiracy are.

No, Canada is a very tolerant & welcoming place. Unlike, Islamic countries.
For 23 years, I was never questioned or mock for religious beliefs in the public.
My belief in Allah & Islam was created by social pressure from my Muslims circle & family.
Throughout my life, my friends compose of Muslims, Christians, Hindus & Buddhists.
I had no atheist friends.
My disbelief stems from reading & listening to stuff on the internet.
I became an Atheist in from of my computer.
Internet Akbar! Praise the Internet!

You are way too proud to be Muslim. I think you are over-compensating.
Where does your pride come from?

I doubt you're actually that cool.

i will never adjust myself for anyone.

you see that's the problem. you believe that you can never be wrong.

Ex muslims 'online' have been proven to be phony, fabricaters, story makers and down right bullshiiters, so keep your life story to yourself, save me the boredom i don't believe a single word of it.

How is me not adjusting myself to anyone under pressure synonymous with believing i can never be wrong. Don't put words in my mouth you little rat.

[Damir9000]

Ex muslims 'online' have been proven to be phony, fabricaters, story makers and down right bullshiiters, so keep your life story to yourself, save me the boredom i don't believe a single word of it.

How is me not adjusting myself to anyone under pressure synonymous with believing i can never be wrong. Don't put words in my mouth you little rat.

lol
This response of yours isn't even relevant to the quote of mine.
My post did not contain anything about ex muslims, life story etc...


"i'm an Alpha male put me in a group of a hundred kafirs and i'll be the dominant one, i will never adjust myself for anyone."

What do you mean then?

in your rambling your were alluding to the fact I was weak for admitting Islam was wrong. And you are strong.

[Manzareh]

lol
This response of yours isn't even relevant to the quote of mine.
My post did not contain anything about ex muslims, life story etc...


"i'm an Alpha male put me in a group of a hundred kafirs and i'll be the dominant one, i will never adjust myself for anyone."

What do you mean then?

in your rambling your were alluding to the fact I was weak for admitting Islam was wrong. And you are strong.

Me being an Alpha - because i think for myself and do not feel the need to conform to the norms of the western society i live in, if i was a Beta like you i would have abandoned my religion a long time ago because of pressure and ease of life.

You are a Beta male because you cant think or function by yourself. you have demonstrated that you are not smart enough to conduct proper research about things, you haven't even studied in school properly, claim to have studied the truth of Islam for 20 years without even reading it, all your information about Musims is from Islamopheobic websites.

You are an Ex Muslim because its easier to conform to your Canadian lifestyle, a weak minded idiotic imbecile.

I'm the Alpha your the Beta, Your the sheep I'm the shepherd. get it?

[Damir9000]

You have NO EVIDENCE to back up your claim that it is possible for something to come from nothing.




Yes its the lack of belief in the existence of Gods, but its still a belief system because even though you have no evidence for the origin of the universe you have beliefs, you have FAITH. You have a belief system, because you believe in certain things and people that you do not know.

Yes Muslims do not have evidence for everything, its called FAITH (look up the definition of that word while your checking the dictionary out)




Obviously, i would a million times rather believe God created the universe than conform to some stupidity that the original matter in the universe came from nothing, it's illogical.. you believe in science, science is logical, so how is it logical for something to come from nothing? in science there has to be n initial action for the chain of reactions to follow. What an idiot you must be to believe that particles appeared like magic.

As for your last line, thats the most ridiculous statement i have read on PF. Thats why he's called God, he has no beginning and no end, if he was created he wouldnt be God. Can't believe im even explaining this.

1) You are right, I have no evidence.
But some physicists have formulas for a Universe without beginning.
But forget about them what do they know, right? That's all just theoretical.

2) You are wrong again about Atheism. Not believing in God != believing God doesn't exist.

When Muhammad says Allah exists.
He has to prove Allah exists because he is the one making the claim.
I am simply not convince by his claim. There isn't any proof for Allah.
It's just an unproven claim.
Why should I believe in a unproven claim by Muhammad?

3) Now, scientists can't prove that God doesn't exist.
But they can prove that Jesus & Muhammad's God is wrong.
And they have. There are statements in the Bible & Quran that are wrong.
Like I mention before, some examples are the Flat Earth & Birds being held in the sky with the will of Allah. It's air by the way. The same reason why Planes can fly.

There are even moral reasons to not believe in God.

4) Again, you are biased.
You believe the Universe is too complex to appear on its own. But have no problem with Allah who is supposedly more complex can appear out of the nowhere.
You having trouble with this is remarkable.

This matter is complex, I agree. But you arrived to your conclusion based on ignorance.
Asking yourself who created the Universe is a question that leads to nowhere. Because who would have to ask who created the creator.
It is more constructive to ask "how".

Religious people like to jump to conclusions prematurely.

Your belief in God comes from tales from ignorant desert dwellers.
How is that a good reason to believe.
Where is God now?


Just because we don't know yet, doesn't make God the answer.

[Damir9000]

Me being an Alpha - because i think for myself and do not feel the need to conform to the norms of the western society i live in, if i was a Beta like you i would have abandoned my religion a long time ago because of pressure and ease of life.

You are a Beta male because you cant think or function by yourself. you have demonstrated that you are not smart enough to conduct proper research about things, you haven't even studied in school properly, claim to have studied the truth of Islam for 20 years without even reading it, all your information about Musims is from Islamopheobic websites.

You are an Ex Muslim because its easier to conform to your Canadian lifestyle, a weak minded idiotic imbecile.

I'm the Alpha your the Beta, Your the sheep I'm the shepherd. get it?

Alpha & Beta lol it doesn't mean anything but whatever.


I abandoned Islam only about around 2 years ago. I am 25.
I did so, based on reading & listening to essays & stuff on the internet.
Nobody, forced me to drop my beliefs.

You on the other hand like me before accepted Islam because of family pressure.
We were both pressured to believe in Allah from a very young age.

I am not smart enough? What kind of argument is that lol

Islam thrives in poor-uneducated countries.
I never been to Islamophobic websites. Youtube video essays & talks were the main source.

Let's be serious, you haven't done any serious research.

All you were taught was the Devil is behind everything.
So everything that points Islam is wrong. you deny it.
You rationalize it as some kind of trick from the Devil.
I know, I was muslim.