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  • #31
    Farrakhan the new amir al-mu'mineen?

    He has already been so for decades in the West, but now he gets the title for the East as well. Such a Giant he is.

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    • #32
      Alot of orthodox Muslims love to degrade the brother minister. his responses is the best

      "you could tell alot about a nation on the way they treat their WOMEN."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by کیش View Post
        Farrakhan the new amir al-mu'mineen?

        He has already been so for decades in the West, but now he gets the title for the East as well. Such a Giant he is.
        Does he know a word of Arabic besides what all Muslims know for the standard?





        I love you bro, but Farrakhan and his group are kuffar through and through. Their ideology is closer to Christianity than to Islam.
        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

        Sayyid Qutb

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        • #34
          Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
          Does he know a word of Arabic besides what all Muslims know for the standard?





          I love you bro, but Farrakhan and his group are kuffar through and through. Their ideology is closer to Christianity than to Islam.
          I love you to brother, thanks.

          The video plays around and shows segments and clips of speeches to take it out of context. you really have to sit and watchFarrakhans speeches in its entirely to truly understand what he is saying. That is why i suggest watching his P.O.W.E.R speech in NYC from 1985.

          Did you watch the meetings of the minds videos i posted? Elijah Muhammad son, Warith Deen Muhammad was a Sunni and converted 1.5 people into Sunni Muslims (the largest ever). Watch all five parts with the fifth being a discussin with Farrakhan.

          Louis Farrakhan is the best Muslim leader alive. Say what you want but he is. He has been blackballed hard by the Zionist to make it look like he is irrelevant racist and a Kufar. I do not agree and obviously know that W. D and Elijah were no one but humans. With the former never claiming to be anybody special (watch video with Warith) I highly disagree with Farrakhan with that aspect. and it's a dream of mine to meet the brother in sha Allah one day to discuss the topic with him in person.

          But calling him names like unbeliever is committing Takfir to its entirety.

          I'm pleading to you, my beloved brother to watch the meeting of the minds videos i posted and then P.O.W.E.R. first and then express your views on the brother
          Last edited by کیش; 08-01-2015, 12:01 AM.

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          • #35
            When Farrakhan mentions the phrase "children of God" he is referring to God breathing life into Adam during his creation. When you give life to a being you can refer that being as a parent (scientifically speaking).

            Christianity refer to Jesus as a "son of god" by saying God birthed Jesus through Mary's womb, and thus being a human father type of figure.

            That is completely different to what Farrakhan says when he says we are all "children of God."

            If you read and understand that the Bible was originally written in ancient Greek and it has been lost in translation. The phrase son of God doesn't mean that in Greek, it accurately should have been translated as being just a human.
            Last edited by کیش; 08-01-2015, 12:22 AM.

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            • #36
              I had a dream last night that i met brother Louis Farrakhan. lol. I blushed and went in for an awkward hug. didn't ask any questions which i wanted to.

              The man is a living modern giant. I "wanna be" like him for this ummah so bad.

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              • #37
                If you missed Farrakhan's speech in Washington DC in front of the capital building live, go and watch it immediately. He simply showed everyone how an "Islamic State" should be governed by.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by کیش View Post
                  I had a dream last night that i met brother Louis Farrakhan. lol. I blushed and went in for an awkward hug. didn't ask any questions which i wanted to.

                  The man is a living modern giant. I "wanna be" like him for this ummah so bad.

                  Dude you are like on borderline Shirk/cult personality worship. Mr. Farrakhan is indeed a cool dude, but some of his ideology is not in sync with Islam.

                  Black Muslims in the states however, are cool. I used to go to an Afghani-Paki mosque and stopped attending because most of them would talk **** about each other and try to one up the next person about how they are wrong, and they themselves are right. Basically attending a mosque with 100 Shamlawar Khurasanis.

                  I ended up going to a black mosque, although they were not affiliated with Farrakhan or his ideology. They were basically Sunnis. Anyways I started going there for Jummah and realized how down to earth they were.

                  One Friday as we were praying Jummah, I told one of the older men that his pants cuffs should be above his ankles, otherwise his namaz would not count. He immediately rolled up his pant legs with a smile and thanked me.

                  Just imagine If I had said that to a Paki or Afghani mullah. I would have been berated, insulted, and personally attacked for giving such a simple tip.

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                  • #39
                    Comparison Between Islam And Farrakhanism (Nation of Islam)


                    Published by: The Institute Of Islamic Information And Education; III&E Brochure Series; No. 19

                    ISLAM, and so-called NATION OF ISLAM, are two different religions. The only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used by the both. The Nation of Islam is a misnomer; this religion should be called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator. The religion of Elijah Muhammad and W.D. Fard died with their death because their officially and popularly elected successor, W.D. Muhammad, integrated the community with the Muslim community at-large, following the Quran and Hadith of Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu alaihi wa sallam. Louis Farrakhan joined W.D. Muhammad and gave his pledge of allegiance to him after Elijah Muhammad's death; he later rebelled and broke his oath with impunity, or without paying any expiation, and restarted The Nation of Islam.

                    Examine the following comparisons between Islam and Farrakhanism with regard to the belief or practice in each:

                    BELIEF/PRACTICE

                    1. GOD/ALLAH ALONE

                    ISLAM: One Unique, never appeared in any physical form; hence, no physical representation is possible. He is recognized through his 99 names.
                    FARRAKHANISM: ...Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July 1930; the long awaited Messiah of the Christians and the Mahdi of the Muslims.

                    2. PROPHET/MESSENGER

                    ISLAM: Muhammad (S) is the last Prophet and the last Messenger. No messenger or prophet will come after Muhammad (S).
                    FARRAKHANISM: Elijah Muhammad was a Messenger of Allah. Are there any more messengers or prophets to come? Not clear.

                    3. THE LAST DAY/THE LIFE HEREAFTER

                    ISLAM: The life on earth as we know it will come to an end; it will be followed by the life hereafter which includes physical resurrection of the entire humankind, judgement and the life of paradise or hell.
                    FARRAKHANISM: ...BELIEVE in the resurrection of the dead - not in physical resurrection, but in mental resurrection. No already physically dead person will be in the Hereafter; that is slavery belief, taught to slaves to keep them under control. When you are dead, you are DEAD.

                    4. THE QUR'AN

                    ISLAM: It was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (S) between 610 and 632 C.E.
                    It is the last revelation of Allah to mankind.
                    FARRAKHANISM: Contradictory beliefs. On one side, ...BELIEVE in the Holy Quran and in the scriptures of all the Prophets of God, and on the other side, We, the original nation of the earth ... are the writers of the Bible and Quran. We make such history once every 25,000 years ... it is done by twenty-four of our scientists. Both the present Bible and the Holy Quran must soon give way to the Holy Book...

                    5. THE BIBLE

                    ISLAM: It was revealed to prophets and messengers from Moses (alaihis salam) to Jesus (A) but was corrupted. Authenticity of statements in the Bible are judged by the Quran.
                    FARRAKHANISM: (See their beliefs above regarding the Quran)

                    6. SHAHADAH

                    ISLAM: It means what it says, that is, Allah is Unseen, He is the Creator, the Sustainer. Mankind is accountable to Him Alone, and Prophet Muhammad (S) of Arabia is the final and ultimate ROLE MODEL; no one can substitute for him.
                    FARRAKHANISM: A cover up to deceive gullible Muslims. Allah (God) appeared in the person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, and Muhammad of Arabia (S) was one of the prophets, not a role model for our times. The real role model and lawgiver for our times is Elijah Muhammad.

                    7. SALAH

                    ISLAM: Five times a day is required; SALAH (prayer) includes QIYAM (standing), RUKU (bowing), SAJDA (prostration), JALSA (sitting on the floor) and recitations.
                    FARRAKHANISM: No five times daily SALAH (prayer); prayer, when done has no RUKU or SAJDA. Friday is a major congregational prayer day, not for SALAH, but to say DUA and to listen to a Minister.

                    8. ZAKAH (CHARITY)

                    ISLAM: Required on accumulated wealth after having in possession for one year above the NISAB (certain limits), as defined in SHARIA (Islamic law).
                    FARRAKHANISM: It is a tax as poor due on income, similar to income tax.
                    Who benefits?

                    9. SAWM (FASTING)

                    ISLAM: Fasting is required in the month of Ramadan, ninth month of Islamic calendar.
                    FARRAKHANISM: Fasting is required in December only. Fasting in the month of Ramadan is optional.

                    10. HAJJ

                    ISLAM: Required once in a lifetime if conditions of finances, health, and safety of travel are met.
                    FARRAKHANISM: No Hajj requirement. Farrakhan and his cronies take trips to Saudi Arabia, and by the way, to Makkah for the main purpose of image building and to raise funds from gullible rich Arabs.

                    11. LAWFUL (HALAL); UNLAWFUL (HARAM)

                    ISLAM: Determined by Allah, the God Alone, announced in the Quran or by the Prophet Muhammad (S), recorded in the authentic Hadith sources.
                    FARRAKHANISM: Determined by W.D. Fard and announced by Elijah Muhammad. The Quran and Prophet Muhammad (S) have no relevance nor authority with regard to lawful and unlawful.

                    12. AUTHENTIC HADITH

                    ISLAM: An indispensable source of Islamic beliefs and practices, the only source after the Quran. Indispensable for the understanding of the Quran itself.
                    FARRAKHANISM: Ignored, if not totally rejected by Farrakhanis. However, the leadership, including Farrakhan himself, may invoke Hadith if it suits their purpose to fool gullible Muslims.
                    M. Amir Ali, Ph.D. References for Farrakhanism quotes are given in the authors article: ISLAM OR FARRAKHANISM. For a copy send $3.00 to the address given in this article.

                    KNOWING THE TRUE ISLAM:

                    There are many groups in America who claim to represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims. Any serious student of Islam has a duty to investigate and find the true Islam. The only two authentic sources which bind every Muslim are, (1) the Quran and (2) authentic or sound Hadith. Sometimes, Fiqh is quoted as a source. However, only that part of fiqh is a true source and binding which quotes directly Quran and authentic Hadith. All other parts of fiqh are opinions of learned scholars. Since scholars are not prophets or messengers of Allah, they are fallible people. Hence their opinions may be correct or may not be correct; they do not become binding.
                    Any teachings under the label of Islam which contradict or are at variance with the direct understanding of fundamental beliefs and practices of Islam from the Quran and authentic Hadith should be rejected, and such a religion should be considered a PSEUDO-ISLAMIC CULT. In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam. Such an example of honesty is Bahaism which is an off-shoot of Islam, but Bahais do not call themselves Muslims nor their religion, Islam. In fact, Bahaism is not Islam just as Farrakhanism is not Islam.

                    The foundation of Islam consists of TAWHEED, RISALAH, and AAKHIRAH. And five pillars of Islam are SHAHADAH, SALAH, ZAKAH, SAWM and HAJJ. The rest of the building of Islam consists of SHARIA which includes HARAM and HALAL, RIGHTS and DUTIES, MORAL CODE, CONVEYING THE MESSAGE, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RULE OF ALLAH and EXCELLENCE in everything Muslims do. Any claims of Islam should be judged on the criteria given in this paragraph. If the foundation and pillars of a building are demolished there is no building left. Such is the case with pseudo-Islamic cults, including Farrakhanism.
                    For details request the booklet, HOW TO PRESENT ISLAM, A RATIONAL APPROACH by the author of this brochure.

                    INTRODUCTION OF III&E

                    The Institute of Islamic Information & Education (III&E) is established for the sole purpose of disseminating true and correct information about Islam and taking corrective action for the removal of misinformation and false perceptions which exist in the American society about Islam and Muslims. This authors article, ISLAM OR FARRAKHANISM and this brochure are contributions to achieve the stated goal. There may be other similar articles and brochures forthcoming on pseudo-Islamic cults not discussed here.
                    The Institute has published numerous brochures and articles on basic tenets of Islam and Islamic practices. Anyone wishing to have a complete set or a selection thereof should write to the Institute and request a complete list of its publications. In addition, the Institute provides learned Muslims as speakers to schools, churches, community organizations and talk shows. The Institute operates an Islamic Reading Room in Chicago, holds classes for non- and new Muslims who may be interested in advancing their knowledge in Islamic beliefs and practices. For more information write to:


                    The Institute of Islamic Information & Education
                    PO Box 41129
                    Chicago, IL 60641-0129
                    U.S.A.
                    Originally posted by Firdousi
                    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Firdousi
                      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Firdousi
                        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                        • #42
                          I respect and admire the brother that doesn't mean i agree with some of his teachings. especially his protection of a known fornicator Elijah Muhammad. And raising W.D Fard as God sent or Mahdi. According the Warith Deen Muhammad (Elijah's son), W.D never claimed to be anything but a Muslim.

                          He is trying/has been trying to form an Islamic State without being a murdering rapist like what others have been doing throughout the world.

                          He went in front of the Capital building and propagated for this state in front of the masses. He is not a coward. If you think you can do and be better. Than go ahead and do it.

                          I have learned alot from him.

                          Watch his speech from 10/10/15

                          Last edited by کیش; 10-13-2015, 07:54 PM.

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