Anti Islamic Thread : Atheist/Agnostic Pashtuns & Pakhtuns againts Islam

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Sufis were akways secular as Sultan and Sufi were always different not like the so calles Ulema and Taliban ,Al Qaeda, IS and other Islamista mixing religion and state.

All Legitimate Sufis were Non-secular, I advise you read Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani's book Al Futuh Al-Rabbani. Only Pseudo-Sufis who are not credited by any authentic Shajarah like Inayat Khan maybe more "secular" but their views do not represent Sufis in fact.

Shaikh Jilani says the following:

Anyone who does not follow the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), taking his Law [shari`a] in one hand and the Book that was revealed to him in the other hand, and who does not attain to by his path [tariq] to Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He), will perish and perish, will go astray and go astray. They are two guides to the Lord of Truth (Almighty and Glorious is He). The Qur'an is your guide to the Lord of Truth (Almighty and Glorious is He), and the Sunna is your guide to the Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace).

Most Sufis were "Ulama".

One of the reasons why Kemal Attaturk attacked the Sufi Khanaqat was because they were very politically active and had yielded great influence.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

All Legitimate Sufis were Non-secular, I advise you read Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani's book Al Futuh Al-Rabbani. Only Sufis who are not credited by any authentic Shajarah like Inayat Khan maybe more "secular" but their views do not represent Sufis in fact.

Shaikh Jilani says the following:



Most Sufis were "Ulama".

One of the reasons why Kemal Attaturk attacked the Sufi Khanaqat was because they were very politically active and had yielded great influence.

High caliber, evidence based response. Kudos!

[Brown Skinned Savage]

It is clear that [MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION] is trying to hijack the concept of "Sufi Islam" to justify that his beliefs have some legitimacy ......But his views are in conflict with the teaching's of the Sufis themselves.

He seems to believe that "Sufism" is some sort of "liberal" or "secular" Islam. This is the viewpoint of People who come from outside the Islamic social or cultural sphere, namely Westerners.

Which hint the possibility that Badlun quite possibly was not raised Muslim and even quite possibly not even Afghan or Pashtun but someone that either learned Pashto for political motives or A Hindu that lived among Pashtuns for sometime , given that he's a patron of Osho.

[کیش]

I think [MENTION=1034]Badlun[/MENTION] is a Sikh whose family was from Kabul. I have met quite few of them, and they speak very good Pashto and Dari.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

The reason I'm more inclined to say he's a Hindu from Afghanistan is

a.) They claim to be from Kunah, there is a significant Hindu population there.
b.) Others have noted that his claims of Pashtun pedigree appear to be falsified since they can't be Shinwari and Safi at the same time.
c.) They're patron of Osho, who stems from a Hindu sect, and promoted sexual practices that conflict with Islamic norms and morality

The point of me stating this is because their understanding of Sufism and Sufis is not consistent with someone who was raised Muslim but rather an outsider that interprets Islam through the lense of orientalism.


But this is more a different topic, but it becomes useful in trying to isolate a model of what might motivate Badlun to try to hijack the secular democracy. platform and "Sufi Islam" when they're in conflict with both.

[Karachi]

There are actually a lot of muslims who are leaving Islam, or at least the form of Islam which is basically run by extremist mullahs. A lot of muslims can not talk openly or give their opinions about Islam and muslims, because obviously they be will killed. But Internet is one place they can discuss to an extent. People are tired of being confused, there is simply to much confusion in this faith.

I think at the end of the day, believing in God, and following religion in your own way is enough, there is no need to follow a faith which is hijacked by illiterate, extremist mullahs. Why would I follow these monsters? I would be a fool to do this

[کیش]

There are actually a lot of muslims who are leaving Islam, or at least the form of Islam which is basically run by extremist mullahs. A lot of muslims can not talk openly or give their opinions about Islam and muslims, because obviously they be will killed. But Internet is one place they can discuss to an extent. People are tired of being confused, there is simply to much confusion in this faith.

I think at the end of the day, believing in God, and following religion in your own way is enough, there is no need to follow a faith which is hijacked by illiterate, extremist mullahs. Why would I follow these monsters? I would be a fool to do this

Horribly incorrect logic. The shahada clearly states there is no god but Allah.

You're completely lost and are too proud with ego to rescue yourself.

[Karachi]

Horribly incorrect logic. The shahada clearly states there is no god but Allah.

You're completely lost and are too proud with ego to rescue yourself.

how are Allah and God different?

Let me guess your stupid Salafi belief tells you Allah is sitting on some thorn up there lol

[jankhan]

There are actually a lot of muslims who are leaving Islam, or at least the form of Islam which is basically run by extremist mullahs. A lot of muslims can not talk openly or give their opinions about Islam and muslims, because obviously they be will killed. But Internet is one place they can discuss to an extent. People are tired of being confused, there is simply to much confusion in this faith.

I think at the end of the day, believing in God, and following religion in your own way is enough, there is no need to follow a faith which is hijacked by illiterate, extremist mullahs. Why would I follow these monsters? I would be a fool to do this

qadiyani ?

[HalloIsBack]

No poor people are pro Islamism or socialism depends on culture.
Elite people know what people need, thats why they are so rich and became the elite. They can use or better to say abuse the situation in to their own benefit.

Badlun is Pakistani citizen, probably punjabi, I doubt if he is even Pashtun. He also gives some indian vibes. So either Indian or one of those kafir punjabis.

NO! YOU ARE WRONG!
Poor people are agianst Islamism and Socialism!
It was the elite who went to sovietunion to study and brought Socialism to afghanistan. The poor people had no time to send their children to school, they are busy with feeding their family and do not have time to put socialism or islamism on others
in russian empire it was the elite too, they went to europe and brought the idea of socialism into russiam empire, after it they tried to convinced the peasents, but they went to their village president and complained about them
there is no individualism and freedom in socialism and islamism, everybody is equal and if dont fit into the system anymore you can always be replaced
socialism and islamism came always with bloody revolution into power
socialism and islamism have they same structure, the only difference is that socialism has no godbut only personality cult, this personality is their god
in democracy everybody has a chance, doesnt matter what is his religion, ethnic or family backgroud is, in socialism and islamism not
just a an example: in sovietunion if you had a wrong ethnic background or the sate has a problem with one of your family member you had no chance to go to study, but in democracy you have this right
socialist consider people who life in afghanistan as backward who should be spring out of it and brought to the highest development stage, isnt it rassistic although they pretend to fight against rassism?
If poor people are pro socialism and islamism why are not all people who live in slums and in poor countries become communists and islamists?
In germany and in other european countries everything is already infiltrated by these ****ing communists, the equality industry works pretty good, nationalism and being german and be proud of it is their big enemy, they consider them as nazi
dont the germans and other european people have the right to have national pride like you pashtuns do? An ethnic group can only survive if they cultivate they cultural heritage and cultural values, but for communists and islamists its a nazi and they want to destroy it
islamists and communists pretend to help you but they dont, i have seen in my case it several time how they wanted to help, they wanted they i become a member of their party so they can show off with me but about my problems they never cared

you have a critical view dear khostai just look at your university and different students group who are political active, look at humanioty subjects at your university and be critical

me personally will fight against this ****ing socialism in germany as long as i breath!


What is your problem with badlun? He is a pashtun by heart and by blood! So what is the matter what kind of vibes is he giving? He fight in peaceful way for pashtuns! Isnt india an ally of afg?

[Khostai]

NO! YOU ARE WRONG!
Poor people are agianst Islamism and Socialism!
It was the elite who went to sovietunion to study and brought Socialism to afghanistan. The poor people had no time to send their children to school, they are busy with feeding their family and do not have time to put socialism or islamism on others
in russian empire it was the elite too, they went to europe and brought the idea of socialism into russiam empire, after it they tried to convinced the peasents, but they went to their village president and complained about them
there is no individualism and freedom in socialism and islamism, everybody is equal and if dont fit into the system anymore you can always be replaced
socialism and islamism came always with bloody revolution into power
socialism and islamism have they same structure, the only difference is that socialism has no godbut only personality cult, this personality is their god
in democracy everybody has a chance, doesnt matter what is his religion, ethnic or family backgroud is, in socialism and islamism not
just a an example: in sovietunion if you had a wrong ethnic background or the sate has a problem with one of your family member you had no chance to go to study, but in democracy you have this right
socialist consider people who life in afghanistan as backward who should be spring out of it and brought to the highest development stage, isnt it rassistic although they pretend to fight against rassism?
If poor people are pro socialism and islamism why are not all people who live in slums and in poor countries become communists and islamists?
In germany and in other european countries everything is already infiltrated by these ****ing communists, the equality industry works pretty good, nationalism and being german and be proud of it is their big enemy, they consider them as nazi
dont the germans and other european people have the right to have national pride like you pashtuns do? An ethnic group can only survive if they cultivate they cultural heritage and cultural values, but for communists and islamists its a nazi and they want to destroy it
islamists and communists pretend to help you but they dont, i have seen in my case it several time how they wanted to help, they wanted they i become a member of their party so they can show off with me but about my problems they never cared

you have a critical view dear khostai just look at your university and different students group who are political active, look at humanioty subjects at your university and be critical

me personally will fight against this ****ing socialism in germany as long as i breath!


What is your problem with badlun? He is a pashtun by heart and by blood! So what is the matter what kind of vibes is he giving? He fight in peaceful way for pashtuns! Isnt india an ally of afg?

The people who brought communism to Afghanistan were not elite, they were not poor either, but sertenly not the elite.

I have nothing against badlun and I am also not against India. But I think Badlun is not a pashtun, due to his osho obsession, I do really have the feeling that he is a punjabi or Indian. But not a pashtun.

[HalloIsBack]

The people who brought communism to Afghanistan were not elite, they were not poor either, but sertenly not the elite.

I have nothing against badlun and I am also not against India. But I think Badlun is not a pashtun, due to his osho obsession, I do really have the feeling that he is a punjabi or Indian. But not a pashtun.

its better to be obsessed with osho then with establishing of khalifat; badlun is just an individualist but a bit strange one i have to admit

then who were they then? at this time there were the "smartest" people from afghanistan who could go to sovietunion for study

[Khostai]

its better to be obsessed with osho then with establishing of khalifat; badlun is just an individualist but a bit strange one i have to admit

then who were they then? at this time there were the "smartest" people from afghanistan who could go to sovietunion for study

Some were the upper class people, but not the ruling elite. Most of the communist were poor farmers people who were fd up with the backward status of the Afghan nation. Just look at all the backgrounds of the leading people of PDPA, you will see none of them had super rich parents or royal relatives.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

its better to be obsessed with osho then with establishing of khalifat; badlun is just an individualist but a bit strange one i have to admit

then who were they then? at this time there were the "smartest" people from afghanistan who could go to sovietunion for study

Osho was a con man that that was into orgies and exploiting people the Khilafat at least wants to change the global power dynamic back in favor of Muslims , where do you see Osho as better in that equation

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Some were the upper class people, but not the ruling elite. Most of the communist were poor farmers people who were fd up with the backward status of the Afghan nation. Just look at all the backgrounds of the leading people of PDPA, you will see none of them had super rich parents or royal relatives.

That's a largely inaccurate narrative. Taraki for example came from a Kuchi family, but he was sent to Russia, where he got indoctrinated. It wasn't simply "poor farmers who got fed up". First of all, Most Afghan agriculture is not sedentary so the statement is largely exaggeration and there wasn't this class of peasant farmers. In fact those who had arable land were considered wealthy in Afghan standards. Second of all, while some of them do have poor backgrounds. It was the Government that gave them grants for education, through Russian support. This lead to prominent Communists like Tarakai to be sent to Russia, it was there that he and other PDPA became indoctrinated. So it was not the poor rising up but poor students getting brainwashed by foreign ideology when they studied abroad. Much different.

In other words you have no idea what you're talking about.