Are women and men really segregated in weddings?

[Kushan Prince]

From an Islamic point of view, are men and women really required to be in two different rooms during a wedding celebration? I'm asking this because i was watching some old videos of my relatives weddings and comparing to gulf arab weddings. I noticed in my family that men and women were both present together during the celebration compared to saudi weddings where only men were in one wedding hall until he was escorted by men to his car during the end. Seeing both i can say gulf weddings are dull and boring as hell. Now what exactly does Islam have to say about this?

[HalloIsBack]

what you have described is a cultural issue

pashtuns celebrated wedding seperated

it depend which scholar and school

[Kushan Prince]

what you have described is a cultural issue

pashtuns celebrated wedding seperated

it depend which scholar and school

I was also thinking it was more of a cultural thing and i know some Pashtuns also have segregated weddings but not all. These hazara people in this video seem to have separated one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBcsLWX-eBo

[HalloIsBack]

I was also thinking it was more of a cultural thing and i know some Pashtuns also have segregated weddings but not all. These hazara people in this video seem to have separated one.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBcsLWX-eBo

it depends where do they live and how strong they are influenced by the environment

you cannot compare pashtuns living in kabul with living in herat and with living in kandahar

in the video you see hazara dancing thats all
it doesnt mean that women are not in the room

dancing in afghanistan is always seperated

[HalloIsBack]

btw how much does cost a wedding in kabul in a wedding hotel?

[Admin Khan]

Men and women are not entirely separated in Pashtun weddings. Usually there are *privileged* men, related to the groom, that have unlimited access to the womens area.

[HalloIsBack]

Men and women are not entirely separated in Pashtun weddings. Usually there are *privileged* men, related to the groom, that have unlimited access to the womens area.

what kind of men are they exactly?
i guess old men

[torkham]

Totally separated in my neck of the woods, down south.

[tor_khan]

Mostly separate in the rural parts and amongst the newly urbanised, but as many young folk start to pick their own matches, they are pushing for some mixing. As Admin says, this is sometimes a privilege especially for exclusive guests.

The last Pashtun weddings that I was at in Karachi and Kabul had limited mixing (Karachi) and no mixing (Kabul). All very dependent on the families.

[Kushan Prince]

Mostly separate in the rural parts and amongst the newly urbanised, but as many young folk start to pick their own matches, they are pushing for some mixing. As Admin says, this is sometimes a privilege especially for exclusive guests.

The last Pashtun weddings that I was at in Karachi and Kabul had limited mixing (Karachi) and no mixing (Kabul). All very dependent on the families.

So then basically its a cultural thing and not islamic right? Then Why do wahhbi Arabs push down peoples throat that its an islamic requirement?

[DaZahroJaam.]

these days what happens is because they have this false impression of these weddings being segregated, women who otherwise dress with all their common sense in place, choose to take advantage of the opportunity by dressing in sleeveless or things that they wont wear in front of strangers or men otherwise. then as the admin said, there are those with special entries or videos of those weddings circulating all over the place and are watched by all the male and female members of the families and there goes the entire point of having that wedding divided in the first place.
from what i have experienced, mixed weddings are fun because you get to be by your male siblings and cousins or uncles and you all get to enjoy the ceremony together. people also tend to behave appropriately due to the awareness of being in the company of opposite genders or from the fear of having their neck sprained if caught doing something inappropriate by one of the men.
that is how it should be. just don't invite your cousin's friend's friends.

[kanishka]

So then basically its a cultural thing and not islamic right? Then Why do wahhbi Arabs push down peoples throat that its an islamic requirement?

This is what Islam sais....

Kushan Prince, i know it sucks but it's a fact. Strange Men and Women (Strange can mean non-Mahram in English) are meant to be kept separate. A Mahram Male guardian of the woman has to be present when she wants to interact with a strange man. This is to prevent sexual advances from either the woman or the man. This is not gender apartheid or sexism, all this is done to prevent sexual innuendo from happening. Don't be sad if you are kept separate from women.

Now these weddings where men and women are mixing. It's just a bunch of horny guys and horny girls lustfully gazing at each other and getting orgasms. For Pashtuns, this idea came from Amanullah Khan, and then Pashtun nationalists from the Fascists and the communists. Women's rights has been a long contentious issue among Pashtuns and other people of Khorasan. Do you know, if women get careers, the fertility rate of the specific ethnic group falls below 1.3 child per woman.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Men and women are not entirely separated in Pashtun weddings. Usually there are *privileged* men, related to the groom, that have unlimited access to the womens area.

Ah,i can understand this :D

[Kushan Prince]

This is what Islam sais....

Kushan Prince, i know it sucks but it's a fact. Strange Men and Women (Strange can mean non-Mahram in English) are meant to be kept separate. A Mahram Male guardian of the woman has to be present when she wants to interact with a strange man. This is to prevent sexual advances from either the woman or the man. This is not gender apartheid or sexism, all this is done to prevent sexual innuendo from happening. Don't be sad if you are kept separate from women.

Now these weddings where men and women are mixing. It's just a bunch of horny guys and horny girls lustfully gazing at each other and getting orgasms. For Pashtuns, this idea came from Amanullah Khan, and then Pashtun nationalists from the Fascists and the communists. Women's rights has been a long contentious issue among Pashtuns and other people of Khorasan. Do you know, if women get careers, the fertility rate of the specific ethnic group falls below 1.3 child per woman.

Then post a quote from a hadith or Quran that says so because if your going to tell me that most muslim men won't be able to hold their urges and will get aroused from seeing their female cousion's or aunts, then there is something mentally wrong with them.

[kanishka]

Then post a quote from a hadith or Quran that says so because if your going to tell me that most muslim men won't be able to hold their urges and will get aroused from seeing their female cousion's or aunts, then there is something mentally wrong with them.

look....

Muslim men will get urged by seeing their cousins. in Surah Baqqarah, it rules out who's mahram and who isnt.....

Women who are Mahram, you are allowed to touch, live with, see without a Hijaab and shake hands etc. This is blood mahram, i'm not sure about current and former inlaws and weeners

Non-Mahram women, you can't see past their hijaab, can't touch them, can't talk to them freely... there's several hadiths that put this into islamic societies.

A special case is sister in laws. While other inlaws become mahram through marriage (and it continues after a divorce), the sister of the bride remains non-mahram but you can't marry her until your current wife is leaves the marriage. Though you can't marry her, you can't touch her, see her and she still falls in the non-mahram category. But you can NEVER marry the other inlaws like mother in laws etc. of your wife, even after a divorce....

and there are hadiths, i don't have them but ask someone that knows the refferences to the hadiths. Why not go to the religion section of PF fourms. In many muslim societies, men and women are kept seperate.Being from Pakistan myself, I've been to larger Pashtun and Punjabai parties, males and females are kept in seperate places and not allowed to talk to eachother or shake hands.... wanna know why? because they know a set of hadiths and verses and implemented this into their culture...