Why or How?

[Badlun]

If God created the Universe, then What may seem to us Millions of years could to God be Kun fa yakun.

In the Theory of General Relativity we concludes that Time is Intrinsically bound with Space, therefore when Space is warped, time is also Warped. What happens in different reference frames would account for the difference because their placement in space would influence time. Now if we can imagine Something with No Spatial Characteristics, then Things happen Instantly .....Kun Fa Yakun. In Islam God is not an object or a physical entity thereby has no spatial characteristics, So everything is happening as Kun Fa Yakun

Therefore we have reconciled the Scientific Interpretation and Islamic One as harmonious.

Do you thing that God is not an object? Then why we have descriptions of God like God has hands etc? If God is not an object then what is God? Is God only time? How God then created Space and objects? How out of nothing something or everything was created?

If God is pure energy or nature then the God of religion has nothing to do with it. And why this God cannot create further realms with this speed of millions of years in one instant. Why he sent Muhamamd only for a specific earth and specific time. Dont you need more guides or prophets from the God to continue with the changes of time?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Why would God of religion have nothing to do with it? Who said that Consciousness is not like Energy? Who said Nature is not Conscious? All the concept of God is that there is a Conscious Power that Controls and Governs reality. There is no rule that says it has to be an object. In Fact God cannot be an object because God is not material.

The meaning of Object is as follows

ob·ject
noun
ˈäbjəkt/
1.
a material thing that can be seen and touched.

I already explained that, You're just repeating a question that I already answered. It only seems to Humans that other realms exist for Millions of years because in General Theory of Relativity which is the Modern Cosmological Theory. Everything experience is related to Space and therefore we experience time in relation to space. So for us it seems like billions of years, for God it's an instant, Kun fa yakun

As for why he sent Muhammad .....that's another discussion I am here just to disprove your statements and I did that.

[Badlun]

Why would God of religion have nothing to do with it? Who said that Consciousness is not like Energy? Who said Nature is not Conscious? All the concept of God is that there is a Conscious Power that Controls and Governs reality. There is no rule that says it has to be an object. In Fact God cannot be an object because God is not material.

The meaning of Object is as follows




I already explained that, You're just repeating a question that I already answered. It only seems to Humans that other realms exist for Millions of years because in General Theory of Relativity which is the Modern Cosmological Theory. Everything experience is related to Space and therefore we experience time in relation to space. So for us it seems like billions of years, for God it's an instant, Kun fa yakun

As for why he sent Muhammad .....that's another discussion I am here just to disprove your statements and I did that.

Where in Quran or in any religious book it is written that God is just a conscious power. It may be a spiritual or metaphysical or Sufi or mystical idea but not a religious idea. Quran says that God has hands. Hadiths says that god is sitting on Arsh. Will you tell it to general Muslims that God is just a conscious power?

You disproved nothing. You just think that you disprove things but it is only in your mind. When you disprove then I will admit it openly. Muhamad has to do with the religion of God. Why this God has sent him as the last messenger and why his message is accepted only by few not by all. Why his message is limited for humans only. Why Quran mainly talks of faith and morality and not of this conscious power God and all the realms created by this God.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Well the Qur'an says "wa lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad" which means that Nothing is like him, So since Objects are things then it means God cannot be an object. In the Mu'tazilah school of thought we say Hands refer to God's power , Face refers to God's essence. It is used as a way to people understand the deeper aspect of God, just like DAY doesn't mean Day on Earth but can just mean PERIOD or Time Span. Face doesn't mean human face, but the Essential Aspect.

I disproved your statement because You Said you cannot Understand how God can say KUN FA YAKUN but Science Shows us that Universe evolved over Billions of Years. I Gave you an explanation How in Theory of General Relativity it is perfectly capable and since in Islam we believe God is not a material being, This would apply. This is disproving you. No I don't believe you'd admit to being disproved because I also disproved Your claim about Pashtuns being 5000 years old by Using Scientific Analysis and you preferred to believe myths and stories instead.

There's no difference between Sufism and Islam, Sufism is just the SPIRITUAL essence of the Qur'an and Islamic Shari'ah. Nothing separate. So it's actually apart of the Qur'an. There is no Sufism wthout Islam and no Islam without Sufism, anyone who says otherwise is not a real Sufi. As for Muhammad ......it's another topic. Changing topics is not allowed.

[Badlun]

Well the Qur'an says "wa lam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad" which means that Nothing is like him, So since Objects are things then it means God cannot be an object. In the Mu'tazilah school of thought we say Hands refer to God's power , Face refers to God's essence. It is used as a way to people understand the deeper aspect of God, just like DAY doesn't mean Day on Earth but can just mean PERIOD or Time Span. Face doesn't mean human face, but the Essential Aspect.

I disproved your statement because You Said you cannot Understand how God can say KUN FA YAKUN but Science Shows us that Universe evolved over Billions of Years. I Gave you an explanation How in Theory of General Relativity it is perfectly capable and since in Islam we believe God is not a material being, This would apply. This is disproving you. No I don't believe you'd admit to being disproved because I also disproved Your claim about Pashtuns being 5000 years old by Using Scientific Analysis and you preferred to believe myths and stories instead.

There's no difference between Sufism and Islam, Sufism is just the SPIRITUAL essence of the Qur'an and Islamic Shari'ah. Nothing separate. So it's actually apart of the Qur'an. There is no Sufism wthout Islam and no Islam without Sufism, anyone who says otherwise is not a real Sufi. As for Muhammad ......it's another topic. Changing topics is not allowed.

No human being is like any other human being. Variety is the spice of life and every thing is unique. There is nothing like God and there nothing like you and me.

My question is still not replied properly on religious grounds. How would one prove this Kun question before Einstein. the general theory or the special theory of relativity ha snothing to do with God or his speed. There is no God in science. God is a purely religious concept and God says that you believe in Unseen. No religious scholar has ever proved God by science or reason. Otherwise all scientists would believe in God and all believers would be scientists. Beliefs not reason or science is the fundamental part of any religion including Islam.

How much percentage of Muslims are Mutazila? May be 00.1 % or less. Do you think all Muslims agree with your theory and concept of God without face, hands and a seat? Similarly show me a single Pashtun who believes that millions or thousands of Pashtuns in their present form appear all of sudden in 1000 A.D. You being the champion of Reason has to rethink your unreasonable approaches.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

That's not true, for example you and I both have Human hands, Human nose, Human Face, Human Arms, Human Legs. So we are a lot of like yes we have difference but we're a lot a like. The Qur'an says NOTHING is like God so if nothing is like God , Then God cannot be an object since objects are thing, God is not a thing. So I dsproved your argument here too.

As for General Theory of Relativity; The reason you make your remark is because you clearly do not understand what General Relativity is. It has to do with Time and Space. If there is no Spatial Boundaries. Then time does not occur. Things will be instantaneous for God it can be KUN F YAKUN, but because we exist in space, It unfolds as billions of years because of General Relativisim. So it has to do with that. So I disproved your statement again.

Who knows maybe when we finally reemplement Shari'ah in all Muslim majority states there will be 90% Mu'tazilah. At one time Mu'taziilah were 95% of Muslims. Whatever your point, it is irrelevant. You do not understand science properly and you only choose science when it is convenient for your argument. You ignore science when it doesn't help you.

[Badlun]

That's not true, for example you and I both have Human hands, Human nose, Human Face, Human Arms, Human Legs. So we are a lot of like yes we have difference but we're a lot a like. The Qur'an says NOTHING is like God so if nothing is like God , Then God cannot be an object since objects are thing, God is not a thing. So I dsproved your argument here too.

As for General Theory of Relativity; The reason you make your remark is because you clearly do not understand what General Relativity is. It has to do with Time and Space. If there is no Spatial Boundaries. Then time does not occur. Things will be instantaneous for God it can be KUN F YAKUN, but because we exist in space, It unfolds as billions of years because of General Relativisim. So it has to do with that. So I disproved your statement again.

Who knows maybe when we finally reemplement Shari'ah in all Muslim majority states there will be 90% Mu'tazilah. At one time Mu'taziilah were 95% of Muslims. Whatever your point, it is irrelevant. You do not understand science properly and you only choose science when it is convenient for your argument. You ignore science when it doesn't help you.

In 1400 years we know few Mutazilahs in Baghdad . Do you call it 95%. and why those few disappeared ,because they tried to mix water and fire, reason and faith, what you are trying today innocently .

Really I will lose daily whatever respect I have for you. You are highly unreasonable and irrational and a big liar. You are an idealist radical dreamer who thinks one day you will establish your Mutazilah empire. I lost interest in this discussion. Thanks for sharing your dreams and attaching scientific theories to your ideas.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Mu'tazilah ruled from for several centuries, their decline only happened because the Mongolians destroyed Baghdad, otherwise there would be more Mu'tazilah today. It's not because they tried to mix water and fire. It was because Mu'tazilah thinking that Islam was proven as harmonious with science.

The power of Reason is demonstrated by the quality of arguments. Whatever argument you have given I have disproven and refuted with Logical Arguments, where as you use primarily your emotions and feelings. You bring up irrelevant issues in the middle of debates you change topics to divert away from your original question and many more things which are typical Logically Flawed tactics.

Reason does not depend others respect. It depends on respect for the Truth, so So by Using the standards of reason the evidence shows that The unreasonable one here is you.

I defeated your argument .....you can no longer use this claim as it has been shown as false. Good Luck.

[khushal]

How does everything existence When Only You are Real?

Is the Sufi thinking? That only God's existence is real and the rest is an illusion.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Is the Sufi thinking? That only God's existence is real and the rest is an illusion.

Yeah more or less, I was reading that Ibn Al 'Arabi's Futuh Al-Makkiyah. Good Call.

[Kushan Prince]

Is the Sufi thinking? That only God's existence is real and the rest is an illusion.

So this whole world is an illusion according to you?