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Is there any Muslim who does not belong to any sect? If yes then name him/her, if no then it means according to the above verse of the Holy Quran there is no one as Muslim .
I think schools of thought like Jafaris, Hanafis, malikis, Sufis are understandable and unavoidable and they are also peaceful but political divisions like Sunnis, Shias, Wahabis etc are very dangerous as they have zero tolerance for each other and kill each other like animals.
To resolve the issue of Sunni-Shia, the easiest solution is to accept Shias as the 5th school of thought and consider Imam Jafar Sadiq , the teacher of Imam Abu Hanifa, as the fifth Imam along with 4 Sunni Imams. -
what practical solution do you have for dealing with sectarianism? What should we do to get rid of sectarianism?Originally posted by Ibrahim Khan View PostOriginally posted by FirdousiComment
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There is no solution. We will fight each other, until we come together.Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View PostComment
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look in the mirror, look at your own faults, look at how much division and hatred you promote.Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View PostComment
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why muslims have to fight and kill each other? Even if there are differences in beliefs between sects, why kill each other? why promote violence like some groups do out there.Originally posted by Pakwatan View PostComment
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ye banda jo hai, bohot predictable hai. the answer he is looking for is 'get rid of nationalism'. Use your brain.Originally posted by Karachi View Post
"To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."
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cough cough ... Naarey takbeer!
"To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."
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Can you be more specific and practical? Spreading love and peace and stopping to hate are all great things. But they are just slogans.Originally posted by Ibrahim KhanPlease everyone forget about this pre-existing hatred. Ponder on what Allah says! Our kalimah is one and yet we fight!
Mandela said "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."
Let us unite under this LOVE. Allah is Al-Wadud the Loving One!
We can change the world. It has been done before and it can be done
Spread Love and Peace! One Allah, One Last Prophet, One Quran and One Ummah !
Social, political and cultural problem solving takes more than just inspiring chants and slogans.
Do you have any practical solution for us?Last edited by Shamlawar Khurasani; 02-24-2014, 11:43 AM.Originally posted by FirdousiComment
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This is the practical solution. Call it school of thought not sect. You cannot avoid differences of opinion. You cannot do away with sectarianism by slogans as Shamlawar says.Originally posted by Badlun View Post
Follow the examples of Sufis like Naqashbandis, Chishtis etc or Hanafis, Malikis who have difference of opinion but do not kill each other.
Take Shias as Jafaris and consider their Imam Jafar Sadiq like one of the Imams of Sunnis.
Ahle Hadith or Salafis say that they do not believe in sects but they themselves became a sect.Comment
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until we are politically united, we can never be united in religion.There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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The emergence of sects in Islam was prophecized:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you lives after I am gone will see a great deal of dissent.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4067)
It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”
So the ones who believe that we can get rid of all sects and unite are obviously not aware of the fact that division is inevitable.
The Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam also taught us how to follow the correct path and not fall into misguidance of sects:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) described the saved group as the jamaa’ah, i.e., the consensus of the Muslim scholars. In other reports he also described them as “the vast multitude”, as in the hadeeth of Abu Umaamah and others which is recorded by Ibn Abi ‘Aasim in al-Sunnah (1/34) and al-Tabaraani in al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer (8/321), with an isnaad that is hasan li ghayrihi (hasan because of corroborating evidence).
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also described them in the following terms: “My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.” This is mentioned in the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr which was recorded and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi (2641). It was also classed as hasan by al-‘Iraaqi in Ahkaam al-Qur’aan (3/432), al-‘Iraaqi in Takhreej al-Ihya’ (3/284) and al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
This is the clearest sign that the Muslim can use to determine what is the saved group, so he should follow the way of the majority of scholars, those whom all the people testify are trustworthy and religiously-committed, and he should follow the way of the earlier scholars among the Sahaabah, Taabi’een and the four Imams and other scholars, and he should beware of every sect that differs from the main body of Muslims (jamaa’ah) by following innovation (bid’ah).
The solution is not to unite with misguided people. The solution is to hold on to the core teachings of Islam regardless of what other people do.
To read more: http://islamqa.info/en/90112Originally posted by FirdousiComment
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Shamlawar's mentality is exactly why we have no Khilafah today.[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]
2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.Comment
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