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    I have been wondering about this
    Sufi Order in America or whatever it is called exactly,
    derived from the Hazrat Inayat Khan school
    The latter was mostly well received in Holland -
    for some reason. There was a thriving center of Inayat Khan's there
    in I think The Hague. That was in the pre World War II years.
    Perhaps it exists still, but some of the most devoted

    followers of Inayat Khan were Dutch or lived in Holland.

    Then his elder son and successor as head of the order, Pir Velayat Khan, brought more impetus
    to their teaching.
    Now it is HIS son who is active as the pir and has a center
    in Vermont.


    The problem is that they blend pro-Gandhi stuff
    and Hinduism in with "Sufism", but are almost not
    affiliated with Islam, it seems.

    Do you, Mujib, or ANYONE HERE, know about them ?
    I am asking in a skeptical sense because I always say
    their books on the shelves and felt repelled so that I could not
    pick up one to look at it!

    I am trying to figure out WHAT repulsed me specifically.

    I figure that maybe Mujib as the main exponent of
    modern-day Sufi practice might have investigated this.
    If he doesn't know or doesn't read this, then
    whenever someone DOES see it, please write up something if you could to explain the Truth.
    It irritates me to know that things are wrong.
    I am rereading for the Nth time about the daughter,
    Noor-un-nissa, which brought this topic to mind.
    The current biographers never explain WHAT her father taught in any
    remote detail. Probably they don't know, either !

    Separately : Mujib, I did order one of the books you recommended
    on Maulana Jelaluddin Rumi. Have not read it yet, though.
    It seems an update of the old Aflaki biography of his master,
    whose book I DID read ages ago and liked.
    Last edited by Catya Sher; 09-25-2013, 02:28 PM.

  • #2
    I live few miles away from that particular temple here in Holland.
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    • #3
      You're kidding !
      I wondered if you had heard of it.
      That's amazing !

      So it still does exist. Do you know anything about them ?
      what are your impressions, if you ever encountered

      any of these people ?

      I am trying to get to the Truth about why I always felt

      so negative toward the whole organization.

      Pir Velayat sounds all right as a human.
      But what about the father ? Something is fishy there.
      I wonder if he was a fraud.


      Have any ideas?

      Like your new avatar

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      • #4
        We have some good discussion on this topic and on these Sufi circles here

        Based on authentic sources, this section comprises of multimedia, articles and discussions on the religion of Islam.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Catya Sher View Post
          You're kidding !
          I wondered if you had heard of it.
          That's amazing !

          So it still does exist. Do you know anything about them ?
          what are your impressions, if you ever encountered

          any of these people ?

          I am trying to get to the Truth about why I always felt

          so negative toward the whole organization.

          Pir Velayat sounds all right as a human.
          But what about the father ? Something is fishy there.
          I wonder if he was a fraud.


          Have any ideas?

          Like your new avatar

          The Sufi Temple is situated behind the sand dunes of Katwijk. Their core idea is that sufi spirituality is not limited to Islam but rather transcends religion, region and nationality.

          They just gather, sing, chant, and do all sorts of jolly stuff and label it "spirituality".


          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #6
            I don't know much about them. They seem to be known for preaching the "universal truth" idea, the idea that all paths are the truth.

            Their website uses very vague language, so it is hard to get a clear understanding of their basic beliefs. For example, they speak of Sufism's relation to religions other than Islam, but it is worded as though it's saying some spirituality can be found in all religions.

            Some of the prayers on the website sound very problematic.

            The Mawlana Rumi (ra) book you are referring to is the translation of selections from the Manaqib?
            SeekersGuidance - Online Courses, IslamCast, Answers

            SunniPath - The Online Islamic Academy

            masud.co.uk - Resource for Traditional Islam

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            • #7
              Yes, that is the one. I am not totally thrilled by Camille Helminski.
              But, there aren't other translators as far as I know. So I figure to be

              grateful for this translation to English.
              That Fons Vitae publisher is a mixed bag.
              But at least translations of authentic texts are very welcome ; some of their
              other stuff is too ecumenical.

              Same with the Inayat Khan material, as you explained.
              I didn't even want to look at their actual site, so I am glad that
              you did and reported what you saw.

              That's helpful. Whenever all those features appear, I feel even more
              sure to avoid that so called "teaching" like the plague.

              Then hearing about the 'temple' in the sand dunes, too, confirms all the
              leeriness I was feeling instinctively.

              It's so UGLY ! With all those wealthy murids, the group couldn't have created
              better architecture than THAT ? I was shocked !!!

              Do you ever meet the disciples, SK ? Do you talk to them ?
              What do they say when they hear your ideas ?!!
              Are they mainly Dutch disciples there today ? Or mixed Pakistanis, Indians ?
              I wonder who would be attracted to that silly fluff ?

              Back to Mujib, I just wanted you to know that your suggestions ARE heard.
              I see your comment appeared on Maulana's birthday, which I was
              celebrating as I always have.
              I haven't started reading the book but will during the quieter winter months.
              I was really glad to see it though and ordered it immediately !

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