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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم والصلاة والسلام على خاتم المرسلين المقتدى به في أمور الدين وعلى آله وصحبه الأطهار ومن تبعهم بإحسان إلى يوم الدين، أما بعد

    The main reason behind this writing about this topic is due two main reasons:

    a) The fact that many Muslims seem to confuse what is meant with the Sunnah in Islam and as a result they become unawre of which Sunnah that must be focsued on.

    b) Lack of knowledge about levels of Sunnah and its ranks led many Muslims to compromise what is obligatory for the sake of what is permessible and preferable.

    c) Some argue that categorizing the Sunnah into different categoried and excluding some of the acts of the Prophet is an innovation of this time and it has neven been recognized by any salaf or scholar before.

    So, I begin seeking Allah's assistance with this writing, hoping that such thread bring some benefits to the readers.

    The Sunnah (السنّة) in its linguistic meaning came in different definitions that all pour into one meanings;

    The author of Lisaan al-Arab defined it to mean: "The way, the method, the regular habits, the nature". These various lingual definitions seem to require a form of continuation to the act so that it be considered a Sunnah. In other words, based on this definition, acts that are done for some time then stopped are not called Sunnah. Also, it is important to note that the term can apply on anyone and is not restricted to the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم). So, we can say the Sunnah of life, the Sunnah of X and Y, the Sunnah of Son of Adam, the Sunnah of Muslims and etc. However, if this term was used to refer to the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) then an additional meaning is offered here and the context differ.

    Scholars of Hadeeth and Usool prefered to define the Sunnah in its religious context to mean: "what has been described for others to follow" [ السنة : ما رسم ليحتذى ]. This definition was adopted by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi (463 H.) in his book al-faqeeh and al-muatfaqih, al-Baji al-Maliki (474 H.) as in his Muntaqa. Abu Bakr al-Jassas (370 H.) stated in al-Fusool fil Usool a clearer definition, when he said: "The Sunnah of the Prophet "( صلى الله عليه و سلم) is what he said or did in continous manner so that others follow"[سُنَّةُ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : مَا فَعَلَهُ ، أَوْ قَالَهُ ، لِيُقْتَدَى بِهِ فِيهِ ، وَيُدَاوَمَ عَلَيْهِ].

    This definition demonstrates that the Sunnah according to the Salaf has not been as understood and defined similarly to most of the recent scholars who defined it to mean:"The acts, the sayings and the silent approvals of the Prophet". This recent definition is often found in recent fiqh scholars books. The interesting part of this broad definition of recent scholars is that it is the exact definition of "The Hadeeth that is related to the Prophet" according to scholars of Hadeeth [See: Tadreeb al-Rawi by al-Syouti: 1/156, al-Nuzha by al-Hafith: 52]. This confusion of terminology can be cleared out when we know that scholars of Fiqh including the recent ones identify The Sunnah to be either obligatory or recommended. al-Subki defined the Sunnah to be: "The Sunnah in Istlaah (religious context) means: what have been known as obligatory or preferable from the saying of the Prophet" [al-ibhaaj fi sharh al-minhaaj: 1/36]

    This definition is actually an explicit statement to explain the general broad definition of Sunnah that has been adopted by recent scholars; Meaning: Any act of the Prophet, requires a supportive saying from the Prophet to show the virtue of such act so it becomes a Sunnah. This outline that the Salaf and scholars only recognized ceratin acts and sayings of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) to be Sunnah in the context of religion that they are preferable for others to act upon.

    This distinction has not only been recognized by scholars, but also concluded from the words of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) as reported in the authentic hadeeth that is documented in Saheeh Muslim from the Hadeeth of Talha (رضي الله عنه) that he and the Prophet passed by some people who were climbing the tops of Palm-Trees. So, he asked: what do they do? Talha said: they are fruitificating the palm - tree by mixing the male part with the female part. So the Prophet said: I do not see that benefiting them". So, he told them that so they stopped it"...later on this advice turned out to be wrong which upon the Prophet said: " I am just a human; if I tell you to do something in your religion then act upon it but if I order you from my own opinion (i.e. in wordly matters that are irrelevant to religion) then know I am just a human" then Aisha narrted in another route the famous addition:" You know better your wordly matters".

    This shows that what the Prophet is only concerned with is matters that are related to religion that can get one closer to Allah. On the other hands, acts that are wordly in its context that have no virtue in itself that is mentioned in texts then it is up to people to decide.

    The above explain to us that:

    a. The acts of the Prophet are Sunnah in its broad general lingual meaning.

    b. The Sunnah in its religious meaning is only refer to the acts that are related to Islam and the Prophet wanted us to act upon directly or indirectly by mentioning the virtue of such act.

    c. Early scholars define the Sunnah differently to recent scholars. However, analysing both definition in the sphere of applications, we realize that they are both on the same page.

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    The above understanding was observed by the companions as well as can be proven in the following texts:

    1) al-Tufail reported: I asked Ibn Abbas (رضي الله عنهما): your people claim that Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) walked proudly while moving the shoulders (Ramal) during his Tawaf and that such act is Sunnah. Ibn Abbas replied: They said the truth but they mistakened. I said: what does that mean? He replied: Indeed, he did that but that is not a Sunnah; Quraish said at the time of Hudaybiya treaty let Muhammad and his companions die from Naghaf [i.e. ants that live in camels noses]. Then they signed the truce and agreed that Muslims come next year and stay at Mecca for three days. So, Muslims came and the Prophet said to his companions: Do "raml" thrice while you are performing Tawaf. I [i.e. al-Tufail] said: Your people claim that the Prophet did the Tawaf between the Safaa and Marwa while riding his camel and that is (i.e. tawaf while riding) a Sunnah. He replied: They said the truth but they mistakned. So I said: what do you mean with that? He answered: "Indeed, the Prophet did Tawaf while riding his camel and they are mistakend because that is not a Sunnah; people used to stay around the Prophet so he was riding his camel so they can hear him and see his position while they do not push him"

    [ Sunan Abi Dawd: 1885] and [Musnad Ahmad:5/179].

    The hadeeth is authentic and was classified so by sh. al-albani and Ahmad shakir.

    The hadeeth as can be noted showed two acts of the Prophet. However, Ibn Abbas denied that such acts to be Sunnah although he acknowledged them being performed by the Prophet.

    The reason why he denied such acts to be Sunnah was because he knew that such acts that the Prophet did were not for a religious purpose or as a means to get closer to Allah. Ibn Abbas actually saw in these acts to be ordinary wordly acts (i.e. riding so that others can hear and raml to tease disbelievers)

    2) Imam Muslim documented in his Saheeh that Aisha (رضي الله عنها) said: Going down "al-Abtah" is not Sunnah. The Prophet only went down there because it was easier for him when he wanted to exit the place"

    [ Saheeh Muslim: 1311]

    Imam al-Nawawi said in his Sharh: " Aisha and Ibn Abbas did not act upon it because thet viewed this act to happen not for a religious purpose. Yet, other companions acted upon it and because identifying whether this act was performed on religious basis or not, companions differed on it"

    From the above, we conclude that companions and scholars differentiated between the acts of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم). They viewed acts that are performed on religious basis to get one closer to Allah as Sunnah while other acts that are done for other reasons as general acts.

    Based on that, we know that Sunnah can be divided to the following categories according to its nature:

    Sunan Mua'kadda: These are Sunan that we are encouraged to do and have been continously acted upon by the Prophet such like the Sunnah of the fajr.

    Sunan Ghair Mu'akdda: These are Sunan that we are encouraged to do due its mentioned rewards, however, were not performed regularly by the Prophet such like the Sunnah before Asr.

    Sunan A'daat: These are habits and customs that no texts states a virtue or reward for them. Also, no texts encourage acting upon them. This is like clothes, walking, talking and etc.

    Based on that, we know that Sunnah can be divided to the following categories according to its rulings:

    Sunan Wajiba (obligatory): It is every command of the Prophet that cannot be found any other text prove that such command was said to mean preferable. Such like: "do not backbite eachother".

    Sunan Mustahabba: (preferable): It is every command of the Prophet that have another proof that shows the command came to mean preferable. Such like: " Pray as you see me pray" then in another hadeeth only certain acts were mentioned so that one's Salaat can be accepted"

    Sunan Mubahaa( Permessible): These are acts that no texts happen to exist and shows a virtue for it or that they are acted upon based on religious purposes such like: clothes of the Prophet and etc.

    The great trustworthy scholar Makhoul al-Shami who is from the young Tabi'een (died at 100 H.) said: "Sunnah is two types; Sunnah to follow and that is from guidence and to abandon is a form of misguidence, and Sunnah that following it is good and abandoning is fine. The exmaple of the first type is the Sunnah of the Salaat of Eid, The Adhaana and Iqamaa and so forth while the example of the second type is what was reported from the way of the Prophet's sitting, standing up, clothes and way of riding"

    [Usool al-Sarkhasi: 1/114]

    Argument:

    One might argue that why we do not consider the clothes of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) to be Sunnah?

    We say:

    Any act that has no text from the Prophet to show that this type of clothes is recommended then it cannot be considered Sunnah in its religious context. Yet, it can be considered Sunnah in its lingual definition.

    It is proven that the Prophet was gifted a garment from disbelievers and he wore it, so does it make sense to say clothes of the disbeliever is Sunnah to wear?!! Also, is there any scholar in the world who ever said that riding a camel is Sunnah because the Prophet did ride a camel?!! These examples are given at this point to show the incorrectness of reasoning of some laypeople when it comes to Sunnah.

    How can one benefit from this thread?

    The purpose of this thread is to show that there are obligatory and preferable Sunnah that need to be acted upon before one becomes fussy about acts of the Prophet that are permessible to act upon such like his eating habits, clothes and etc.

    How many people we know who are deeply involved in Riba but are fussy about eating using the hand?

    How many people we know who hears a hadeeth that opposes what he is upon then he insult you and tells you I am from such and such Madhab and i do not care but you find him too fussy about eating on the floor or wearing a turban?


    I ask Allah to grant us Muslims enough piety, courage and manners to admit our mistakes and respect the words of the Prophet that told us to do before we start acting about things he never told us to do.

    I finish with the famous story of Imam Malik and his respect to Sunnah and Hadeeth:

    He was approached by one man while he was walking in the market and asked him about a hadeeth. However, Imam Malik refused to answer him and said: "By Allah, this is not a suitable place (i.e. Markets) so that Hadeeths be discussed. Meet me in the masjid"

    Finally, what I have said correct in this article is from Allah and only due Allah's bless on me. And what I have said that is incorrect then it is only from me and the Shaytaan.

    Wallahu A'lam

    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

  • #2
    [MENTION=1753]Manzareh[/MENTION]
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    • #3
      This article is flawed and in fact contradicts itself. Sunnas of habit are indeed meritorious if done with the intention of following the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). Sayyidina `Abdullah ibn `Umar (ra) is well known for his strict adherence to the sunna. He is reported to have come off his mount to walk so that he might trace the steps of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

      If these acts were only Arab custom of the time that have no benefit, the Muslim world would not have followed them (in their own distinct way) with such scrupulousness.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mujib View Post
        This article is flawed and in fact contradicts itself.
        If its flawed, tafadhal, refute it, shaykh.

        Sunnas of habit are indeed meritorious if done with the intention of following the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). Sayyidina `Abdullah ibn `Umar (ra) is well known for his strict adherence to the sunna. He is reported to have come off his mount to walk so that he might trace the steps of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

        If these acts were only Arab custom of the time that have no benefit, the Muslim world would not have followed them (in their own distinct way) with such scrupulousness.
        The thing you lot don't understand is that within AhlusSunnah wal Jama'ah there are different valid and equally legitimate definitions of certain matters such as "Sunnah" and others.

        Especially when scholars approach matters from different angles.

        What is described as Arab custom and what is described as a habit of Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam people immitated out of love are two completely different things.

        We wear a turban in Afghanistan because it is our custom. However, if our intention is to immitate the Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam, then that is an act of worship according to certain scholars, because love and devotion for the Prophet is from Imaan.

        However, there are those who disagree and say that there is no reason to assume that immitating non-religious aspects of the Prophets life is worship.

        One should learn to appreciate the fact that these differences exist among scholars.

        But this of course is advanced sciences, not suitable for the layman.
        Originally posted by Firdousi
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
          The thing you lot don't understand is that within AhlusSunnah wal Jama'ah there are different valid and equally legitimate definitions of certain matters such as "Sunnah" and others.
          That is understood; I am not referring to that.

          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
          What is described as Arab custom and what is described as a habit of Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam people immitated out of love are two completely different things.
          Wahhabis/"Salafis" discount sunnas of habit as mere Arab custom. Thus they discount the turban as an Arab custom from the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). Some of them go as far as to avoid covering their head at all, claiming it is only an Arab custom

          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
          However, there are those who disagree and say that there is no reason to assume that immitating non-religious aspects of the Prophets life is worship.
          You started by referring to the multiple definitions of sunna in the various fields (hadith, fiqh), yet you end on this idea that those definitions are related to a difference about sunnas of habit. The article makes the same jump. It ends by defining sunnas of habit as having no virtue or reward and that they are not acted upon for religious purposes (interestingly, it then quotes a scholar who says the opposite).

          The first part is understood, but as to the second, are there scholars who say there is no virtue/reward in acting upon a sunna of habit with intention? If yes, who? If no, what difference are you referring to?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mujib View Post
            Wahhabis/"Salafis" discount sunnas of habit as mere Arab custom. Thus they discount the turban as an Arab custom from the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).
            Thats an outright lie. We have many great Salafi scholars who practice sunnas of habit and encourage practices such as wearing the turban. I happen to be a student of such a scholar.

            From Mauritania to India, many salafi scholars hold a different position regarding this matter.

            You Sufis just heard one or two talks by Al Albani and others of his persuasion and you claim all Salafis have same views and opinion.

            Some of them go as far as to avoid covering their head at all, claiming it is only an Arab custom
            Aren't you ashamed of lying?

            You started by referring to the multiple definitions of sunna in the various fields (hadith, fiqh), yet you end on this idea that those definitions are related to a difference about sunnas of habit. The article makes the same jump. It ends by defining sunnas of habit as having no virtue or reward and that they are not acted upon for religious purposes (interestingly, it then quotes a scholar who says the opposite).

            Defining Sunnas of habit as such is a perfectly valid and legitimate position and it is certainly not a new matter because there are even scholars among the muqadimoon who held similar views.


            The first part is understood, but as to the second, are there scholars who say there is no virtue/reward in acting upon a sunna of habit with intention? If yes, who? If no, what difference are you referring to?
            There are certainly scholars who claim that there is no virtue/reward. I use to be a student of a person who held this view. He even discouraged me from wearing kohl and turban.

            But again, this is just a view held by some scholars and they have their justification for this which is perfectly legitimate. However, others scholars have disagreed with this positions and likewise they have their perfectly valid and legitimate reasons for differing.

            Its not a big deal.
            Last edited by Shamlawar Khurasani; 08-11-2013, 05:13 PM.
            Originally posted by Firdousi
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            • #7
              There are people here on this forum who claim to be sunnis and yet suggest that no sunna is obligatory. How come you never address them and yet you make a big deal out of something that is valid ikhtilaaf.
              Originally posted by Firdousi
              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                Thats an outright lie.
                If it's a lie, why do you then refer to "one or two talks by Albani"? Do the fatwas of Ibn `Uthaymin and Bin Baz not represent "Salafi" positions? According to them the turban and covering the head are related to custom.

                I understand that there might be Wahhabis/"Salafis" who disagree with this, but they are the exception.

                Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                Aren't you ashamed of lying?
                You said this in response to my comment "Some of them go as far as to avoid covering their head at all, claiming it is only an Arab custom." Are you unaware of the fatwas of Ibn `Uthaymin, and Bin Baz on this issue? Or do you consider their fatwas as being unrepresentative of the Wahhabi/"Salafi" position? You may know of some who have a different position; they then are not part of the "Some" to whom I refer (major figures).

                So let us not carelessly throw around accusations of lying.

                Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                Defining Sunnas of habit as such is a perfectly valid and legitimate position and it is certainly not a new matter because there are even scholars among the muqadimoon who held similar views.
                I am interested to know who they are.

                Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                There are certainly scholars who claim that there is no virtue/reward. I use to be a student of a person who held this view. He even discouraged me from wearing kohl and turban.
                So when I said there were some, it was a lie, but when you say it it is not a lie.
                Last edited by Mujib; 08-12-2013, 02:36 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                  There are people here on this forum who claim to be sunnis and yet suggest that no sunna is obligatory. How come you never address them and yet you make a big deal out of something that is valid ikhtilaaf.
                  I have only recently started posted regularly again. In that time I haven't noticed such posts.

                  I address whatever I think is necessary to address for the benefit of readers. I have nothing against any person.
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                  • #10
                    Well you seem to be only interested in responding to anything that refutes sufi beliefs and leave everything else.
                    Originally posted by Firdousi
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mujib View Post
                      If it's a lie, why do you then refer to "one or two talks by Albani"? Do the fatwas of Ibn `Uthaymin and Bin Baz not represent "Salafi" positions? According to them the turban and covering the head are related to custom.
                      Thats right, this is their view and there is nothing wrong with it as there is no evidence suggesting that wearing a Turban is either prescribed or made obligatory.

                      Furthermore, Al Albani, Bin Baz, Ibn Uthaymeen and their likes are not the only Salafi scholars. We have 1400 years of Salafi scholarship.




                      You said this in response to my comment "Some of them go as far as to avoid covering their head at all, claiming it is only an Arab custom." Are you unaware of the fatwas of Albani, Ibn `Uthaymin, and Bin Baz on this issue?

                      Where did any of the three say that one should avoid covering the head? Please show me. I am curious to know.



                      Or do you consider their fatwas as being unrepresentative of the Wahhabi/"Salafi" position?
                      They are scholars like so many others, they are not Hujjah in Islam. Its a difficult concept for a Sufi to digest, but we do not see scholars as Prophets or Gods.


                      You may know of some who have a different position; they then are not part of the "Some" to whom I refer (major figures).

                      You have to give prove that they say that we should avoid covering our heads.


                      So let us not carelessly throw around accusations of lying.
                      I have caught you lying before, and since I know you for lying, then it is safe to assume you are lying again.



                      I am interested to know who they are.

                      Ever read al Tamheed by ibn Abdil Barr al Maliki?


                      So when I said there were some, it was a lie, but when you say it it is not a lie.

                      You lied when you said that they discourage covering the head. In fact, the contrary is true.
                      Originally posted by Firdousi
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                      • #12
                        [MENTION=1236]Mujib[/MENTION]


                        on praying bearheaded (without a Turban or Kufi)

                        Shaikh Albaani (May Allaah's mercy be on him) (From Al-Qawl Al-mubin fi akhta' Al-musallin by Mashhur Hussain on page # 58 of the 2nd edition): "Praying bareheaded is makruh (disliked)."

                        It is not established at all that the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) ever prayed outside the pilgrimage with bare head, without a turban/cap. Whoever thinks he did so then he should bring the proof. If he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) had done so, it would have been recorded. The narration attributed to Ibn 'Abbaas that the Prophet (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) would sometimes remove his cap and place it as a sutrah in front of him is weak (da'eef).

                        Shaikh Albaani (May Allaah's mercy be on him) (Al-Din al-khalis (3:214) and al-Ajwiba al-nafi`a `an al-masa'il al-waqi`a (p. 110): "All acknowledge that it is desirable for the Muslim to enter prayer in the most perfect Islaamic appearance, due to the hadeeth: "Allaah is worthier of your self- adornment" [hasan]. And it is not part of excellent attire in the custom of the Salaf to habitually bare one's head, and walk in that guise on the road and when entering places of worship. Rather, it is a foreign custom which infiltrated many Islaamic countries at the time the disbelievers invaded them and brought their habits with them. The Muslims began to imitate them in this, and they lost thereby their Islaamic personality as well as through other similar acts... Nor is it established that the Prophet ever prayed bareheaded and without a turban other than in the state of ihram, although there were plenty of occasions to report it if he did. Therefore, whoever claims that he did, let him produce the proof, for truth is more deserving to be followed."

                        Shaikh Albani (May Allaah's mercy be on him) goes on to explain the mistake of some brothers in Egypt who brought the proof of the permissibility to pray without covering the head by analogizing with how the head is uncovered for someone in ihraam during the pilgrimage. This is wrong since not covering the head during the pilgrimage is from the law (Sharee'ah) of Allaah. If their analogy was right then they should make it compulsory to pray without any head covering at all since it is obligatory to do so during the pilgrimage and to follow all the other restrictions of Ihraam in regular life! [Tamaam-ul-Minnah fee ta'leeq 'alaa fiqh-us- Sunnah by 'Allaamah Albaani]
                        Originally posted by Firdousi
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                        • #13
                          Based on authentic sources, this section comprises of multimedia, articles and discussions on the religion of Islam.
                          Originally posted by Firdousi
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                            Thats right, this is their view and there is nothing wrong with it
                            This is what I said in the previous post and you responded that it was an outright lie.

                            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                            Where did any of the three say that one should avoid covering the head? Please show me. I am curious to know.
                            I didn't say that they said one should avoid it. They (I shouldn't have mentioned Albani in that particular part of my post, although he does consider the turban to be part of custom) say that covering the head in prayer is related to custom. Ibn `Uthaymin is quoted by islamqa thus:
                            If you are among people who customarily wear the turban, then wear it; if you are among people who do not customarily wear the turban – rather they wear the ghutrah (Arab headdress) or leave their heads uncovered, then do what they do.

                            Based upon such fatwas, some Wahhabis/"Salafis" in the West avoid wearing a head cover because according to them it is not customary in the West. This is what "Some of them" refers to.

                            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                            I have caught you lying before, and since I know you for lying, then it is safe to assume you are lying again.
                            Avoid emotional responses and personal remarks and you'll have a more fruitful discussion. If we hold our tongue in the first place we won't have to apologize later. Nor does a Muslim assume evil on the part of another Muslim.

                            You just confirmed and repeated both of my statements you called lies.

                            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                            Ever read al Tamheed by ibn Abdil Barr al Maliki?
                            Ibn `Abd al-Barr said that acting upon sunnas of habit with intention has no merit?

                            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                            You lied when you said that they discourage covering the head. In fact, the contrary is true.
                            Firstly, where did I say such a thing? Secondly, I clearly stated "Some of them." Both of these considerations should have given you pause. Again, a Muslim does not carelessly throw around accusations of lying.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                              [MENTION=1236]Mujib[/MENTION]

                              on praying bearheaded (without a Turban or Kufi)
                              This is noted. I should not have mentioned Albani in the part of my post responding to the covering of the head in prayer. Albani does, however, consider the turban to be a sunna of habit and, according to what you just posted from him in the other thread, he considers acting upon a sunna of habit with the intention of pleasing Allah to have no merit (which is what I said in my initial post and which you called a lie and attempted to argue against). In fact, he condemns it!

                              I'll edit the relevant post.
                              Last edited by Mujib; 08-12-2013, 02:34 PM.
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