Confronting the Qadiani Meemwawmeemnoon

[شمله ور خراساني]

As salaamu aleikoum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

In several threads, a member by the name meemwawmeemnoon (momin) made several claims which reveal his belief that he knows the entire Qur'an and all the ahadith in order to be able to arrive at his own conclusions refuting general beliefs among Muslims. Such as finality of prophethood.



I ask Momin to prove he really did study the entire Qur'an and he really does know all the ahadith and he really is able to compare Sunni Islam with Qadyanism.

I am also asking Momin to support his claim that the Sunni tafsir of Quran is self contradictory and Qadyani tafsir is not.


I want to ask Momin to prove how he can know Arabic so good that he is able to prove 1400 years of scholarly work wrong.


Since I do not know much about Islam in order to refute Qadianis or any other deviant sect, I am going to let the claims and posts by Momin be examined by a scholar. The scholar I know studied under one of the greatest scholars of Islam in 20th century. And is the author of over 300 books which are widely distributed all across Islamic world and are even used as part of curriculum in some prominent Islamic institutions.

I request Momin to answer the points I have raised and to answer them directly and not dodge questions by posing questions in return without even answering these issues.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar Jaan,

leave these types of attacks aside. You will not get anywhere with this.

Prove from the Holy Quran that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive. Simple.

My knowledge of the Quran and Islam will become self evident. So, step to the plate.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar Jaan,

leave these types of attacks aside. You will not get anywhere with this.

Prove from the Holy Quran that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive. Simple.

My knowledge of the Quran and Islam will become self evident. So, step to the plate.

I am asking you a question. Why is it so difficult to address the issues that I have raised?

If you are going to dodge questions as you usually do, how are you expecting people to debate you?

Please answer. And have some courage and dignity.

I am not attacking you. You want to talk, let's talk. Don't be like this.

People are reading this, you know.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I am intending on bothering a 70 year old scholar of Islam to examine your claims. I am going to trouble the old man because of you.

So Have some decency to participate in this with dignity. This is not an attack. Just answer if you can.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar, you will get your answers when you start showing from the Quran that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive.

If I am wrong and you are right, then it should be easy, right?

The easiest way to exposing me is to show that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive from the Quran. That way, you will come to know that I don't have any knowledge, if you prove that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive.

Simple.

Trouble whomever you wish.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar, you will get your answers when you start showing from the Quran that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive.

If I am wrong and you are right, then it should be easy, right?

The easiest way to exposing me is to show that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive from the Quran. That way, you will come to know that I don't have any knowledge, if you prove that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive.

Simple.

Trouble whomever you wish.

You are playing tricks here. Sister Nazia posted ayat of Quran about the second coming. You simply shoved that aside saying that the true arabic meaning of those ayat are other than what is understood by Sunni Muslims. You claimed that qadianis have a better understanding of Quran.

You are not getting away with this. In order for you to be convinving you have to prove that you have sufficient knowledge of Arabic language in order to make such claims.

And Secondly, you have to prove you really did study the entire tafsir in order to make such claims as you did saying Sunnis have a self contradictory interpretation of Quran.

Have some dignity and decency, and prove that you really do have the capabality to do that.

If you don't, then why are you saying such things?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

MWMN, for the sake of our community, can you please debate with his scholar?

Dera manana.

I will. I am not backing away nor am I shying away.. You don't know the courage in me.

Let Sangar bring his scholar.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I will. I am not backing away nor am I shying away.. You don't know the courage in me.

Let Sangar bring his scholar.

I ask Momin to prove he really did study the entire Qur'an and he really does know all the ahadith and he really is able to compare Sunni Islam with Qadyanism.

I am also asking Momin to support his claim that the Sunni tafsir of Quran is self contradictory and Qadyani tafsir is not.


I want to ask Momin to prove how he can know Arabic so good that he is able to prove 1400 years of scholarly work wrong.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You are playing tricks here. Sister Nazia posted ayat of Quran about the second coming. You simply shoved that aside saying that the true arabic meaning of those ayat are other than what is understood by Sunni Muslims. You claimed that qadianis have a better understanding of Quran.

You are not getting away with this. In order for you to be convinving you have to prove that you have sufficient knowledge of Arabic language in order to make such claims.

And Secondly, you have to prove you really did study the entire tafsir in order to make such claims as you did saying Sunnis have a self contradictory interpretation of Quran.

Have some dignity and decency, and prove that you really do have the capabality to do that.

If you don't, then why are you saying such things?

Leave what others have written or posted.

Just start here. You and me.

Prove from the Holy Quran that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive.

Why are you afraid? I am guessing you don't know?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Leave what others have written or posted.

Just start here. You and me.

Prove from the Holy Quran that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive.

Why are you afraid? I am guessing you don't know?

This is pointless. You are dodgnig the issues I have posted.

You keep playing these childish games.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I ask Momin to prove he really did study the entire Qur'an and he really does know all the ahadith and he really is able to compare Sunni Islam with Qadyanism.

I am also asking Momin to support his claim that the Sunni tafsir of Quran is self contradictory and Qadyani tafsir is not.


I want to ask Momin to prove how he can know Arabic so good that he is able to prove 1400 years of scholarly work wrong.

Sangar, I am telling you that you will get your answers once you start proving to me that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive. It is very simple. Why are you so hesitant?

I am not running away from your questions. I am making it even more harder on myself by counter challenging you to prove that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive. If you can do this, then I will walk away in shame and I will leave this forum forever, and I will publicly apologize to you and I will follow everything you say henceforth.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

This is pointless. You are dodgnig the issues I have posted.

You keep playing these childish games.

You can't do it? Checkmate!

Now stop bothering me.

[شمله ور خراساني]

You can't do it? Checkmate!

Now stop bothering me.

I am not bothering you. You are making claims. So if you say that Jesus peace be upon him is dead or alive, you have to prove it. If you claim to know entire quran and its tafsir and the ahadith, you have to prove it. If you claim to have knowledge of arabic you have to prove it.

How is the burden of proof upon me, or any other person when you are making the claims?

Why do we have to prove something, when you claim to know better?

If you know better, if you have sufficient knowledge and we clearly don't, why don't you provide us with clear evidence?

Why won't you support your claims with refrences from Quran and Sunnah?

WHy do others have to disprove your claims when you have never ever provided evidence for your claims?


This is exactly the same scenario when you atributed a fabricated hadith to the prophet muhammad saww. And you yourself ended up exposing your lie.

Why are you so afraid? There is nothing to fear if the truth is with you.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Okay but he started the topic with a few claims, forget your questions and offer your refutation.

Manana.

I ask Momin to prove he really did study the entire Qur'an and he really does know all the ahadith and he really is able to compare Sunni Islam with Qadyanism.

I am also asking Momin to support his claim that the Sunni tafsir of Quran is self contradictory and Qadyani tafsir is not.


I want to ask Momin to prove how he can know Arabic so good that he is able to prove 1400 years of scholarly work wrong.

These are his questions.

How on earth will he be able to know that I am telling the truth?

I am counter challenging him so that he will know that I am telling the truth.

My counter-challenge which in essence is answering his question by means of an example. That example is: to prove that Hadhrat Isa (as) is alive.

I believe that Hadraht Isa (as) has passed away.
Sangar believes that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive.

If I prove my case then it prove:

1. That I have really studied the Holy Quran.
2. That I studied tafseer.
3. It will also prove my level of Arabic.

These are the answers to his questions.

I have gone even a step further, to find a subject in order to substantiate my answers. What more do you want?

This shows my sincerity and honesty.

[شمله ور خراساني]

and for the record, anybody can search the entire forum and seek each and everyone of my posts and look for any instance of me EVER claiming to have sufficient knowledge of Islam.

I don't. And I have never claimed so.

All I do is ask you for answers.