Taqleed (Adherence) another bone of contention

[zamurd]

Definition of Taqleed

Literal: Taqleed is a verbal noun of the root ‘Qa' 'la' 'da’ in the second form. The verb Qalada means to place, to gird or to adorn with a necklace. When used in conjunction with human beings, it refers to the wearing of a necklace, pendant or any other such similar ornament.

Technical: The acceptance of a statement of another without demanding proof or evidence on the belief that the statement is being made in accordance with fact and proof, is called Taqleed, or, for the purist, Taqleed-ush-shakhsi.


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[Badlun]

Again another try to spread hatred against 99% Muslims who follow one or another Imam. More than 70% Muslims follow Imam Abu Hanifa. About 10% follow Imam Jafar Sadiq. Rest follow Imam Hanbal, Shafi and Malik.

Only about 1% are non followers or non conformists or ghair muqaledeen or wahabis or salafis or ahle hadith. This may be exaggerated upto 5%.

It means 95-99% Muslims are misled/gumrah and only the sect of Zamurd is the only one on right path. All others will be burnt into hell fire!And now Zamurd after 1400 years will come and teach us the right path otherwise he thinks he will be burnt in the hellfire for not spreading this hateful propaganda!

He will not be burnt into hell fire because he could save people from ignorance, poverty, illiteracy, drug abuse, narcotics, adulteration and many other socio/economic problems but because of not spreading sectarianism he will be burnt!

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Badlun, which Imam are you following? And please explain what you mean with following.

[Khorosani]

There is nothing wrong with taqleed for the layman and the students of knowledge don't do taqleed they do ittiba. Most of us do taqleed of Sahih Bukhari, none of us individually go through the chains of translations and the books of rijal to determine whether a a text from sahih bukhari is sahih or not.

[Badlun]

Badlun, which Imam are you following? And please explain what you mean with following.

For me every sage , every savant, every scholar, every scientist is an Imam. I learn from all and get guidannce from every one who knows more than me. You can also become my Imam. This is the era of specialization not generalization so I have to follow a specialist in her/his field. I cannot be master of all as then I will be jack of none.

Aristotle, Imam Ghazali, Plato, Jesus, Moses, Newton, Rahman baba, Khushal Baba, Rishtin, Osho, Toramana, faye all are my Imams.

In Islamic religious perspective I usually follow Imam Abu Hanifa as I love his approach based on Quran and reason. he tells me not to recite fatiha after Imam so I do not recite it as his argument is more convencing based on Quran and I do not follow the hadith that La salata illa bil fatiha because Qur'an is a stronger source of Islam than hadith.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Thats wonderful. Are there matters in which you follow other imams instead of abu hanifa?

[zamurd]

Again another try to spread hatred against 99% Muslims who follow one or another Imam. More than 70% Muslims follow Imam Abu Hanifa. About 10% follow Imam Jafar Sadiq. Rest follow Imam Hanbal, Shafi and Malik.

Only about 1% are non followers or non conformists or ghair muqaledeen or wahabis or salafis or ahle hadith. This may be exaggerated upto 5%.

It means 95-99% Muslims are misled/gumrah and only the sect of Zamurd is the only one on right path. All others will be burnt into hell fire!And now Zamurd after 1400 years will come and teach us the right path otherwise he thinks he will be burnt in the hellfire for not spreading this hateful propaganda!

He will not be burnt into hell fire because he could save people from ignorance, poverty, illiteracy, drug abuse, narcotics, adulteration and many other socio/economic problems but because of not spreading sectarianism he will be burnt!

you know your criticism have indeed firmed my belief even more. If you happen to read Quran with same open eyes as you do when you study for your viva exam then may be you can see the truth which i am seeing. Try to understand Quran and Ahadith. dont see the life through eyes of others, you will fall bad one day.

According to Quran majority of humankind is wrong, so that rules out your 95% ppl following this that stats.
S 36. Ya-Seen (Ya-Seen)
verse 62. And indeed he (Satan) did lead astray a great multitude of you. Did you not, then, understand?
7. Al-Araf (The Heights)
v102. And most of them We found not (true) to their covenant, but most of them We found indeed Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).

6. Al-Anaam (Cattle, Livestock)

v116. And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâh's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie.


There is Allah and His last prophet Muhammad pbuh which i follow, My Imam is My prophet Muhammad pbuh, my source of guidance.

36. Ya-Seen (Ya-Seen)
v 83. So Glorified is He and Exalted above all that they associate with Him, and in Whose Hands is the dominion of all things, and to Him you shall be returned.

[zamurd]

There is nothing wrong with taqleed for the layman and the students of knowledge don't do taqleed they do ittiba. Most of us do taqleed of Sahih Bukhari, none of us individually go through the chains of translations and the books of rijal to determine whether a a text from sahih bukhari is sahih or not.

Sahee Bukhari is most authentic Ahadith collection, so Muslims are required to follow Ahadith i.e. what Prophet Muhammad pbuh said or did, this is as important as following Quran, infact Quran says follow Quran and what Prophet says. Its called ittibah, while taqleed is when you follow without question any other person except Last prophet Muhammad pbuh.

[zamurd]

For me every sage , every savant, every scholar, every scientist is an Imam. I learn from all and get guidannce from every one who knows more than me. You can also become my Imam. This is the era of specialization not generalization so I have to follow a specialist in her/his field. I cannot be master of all as then I will be jack of none.

Aristotle, Imam Ghazali, Plato, Jesus, Moses, Newton, Rahman baba, Khushal Baba, Rishtin, Osho, Toramana, faye all are my Imams.

In Islamic religious perspective I usually follow Imam Abu Hanifa as I love his approach based on Quran and reason. he tells me not to recite fatiha after Imam so I do not recite it as his argument is more convencing based on Quran and I do not follow the hadith that La salata illa bil fatiha because Qur'an is a stronger source of Islam than hadith.

3. Aal-E-Imran (The Family Of 'Imran, The House Of 'Imran)

31. Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "If you (really) love Allâh then follow me (i.e. accept Islâmic Monotheism, follow the Qur'ân and the Sunnah), Allâh will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."


4. An-Nisa (Women)

65. But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.


80. He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allâh, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as a watcher over them.

33. Al-Ahzab (The Clans, The Coalition,The Combined Forces)

21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Zamurd, why are you doing taqleed of the person who translated the ayat to English? You just said Qaqleed is bad, and here you are doing taqleed yourself.

[Badlun]

Thats wonderful. Are there matters in which you follow other imams instead of abu hanifa?

Yes for examples in the matter of zakat on ornaments I follow Imam Malik. As ornaments are not increasing business stuff so why should one pay zakat. Imam Abu Hanifa is very strict in Zakat and opines that one must pay zakat even on gold ornaments while Imam Malik is against it.

Similarly in the matter that if husband of a wife is lost then she has to wait for (I think) 60 years before second marriage, I do not follow Imam Abu Hanifa but follow others who suggests less number of years like 3 years.

[Badlun]

Try to understand Quran and Ahadith. dont see the life through eyes of others, you will fall bad one day.

According to Quran majority of humankind is wrong, so that rules out your 95% ppl following this that stats.

It means we should not touch all philosophers like Plato, Aristotle, Hobbes, Rosseu, Ibne Khaldun; poets like Rumi, Wordsworth; scientists like Newton, Einstein but only read and focus on Qur'an and Hadith? I have not fallen bad for the last 30 years and do you think that all Non Wahhabi and non Salafi Muslims have fallen bad, got astray and misled?

It also means that Islam is a complete failure because the only group or sect it reformed is 1-5% while 95-99% Muslims the majority are in the wrong even after 1400 years. Do not you think that this majority word has a context when Qur'an was revealed not for today?

Are you against democracy which is the rule of majority?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Yes for examples in the matter of zakat on ornaments I follow Imam Malik. As ornaments are not increasing business stuff so why should one pay zakat. Imam Abu Hanifa is very strict in Zakat and opines that one must pay zakat even on gold ornaments while Imam Malik is against it.

Similarly in the matter that if husband of a wife is lost then she has to wait for (I think) 60 years before second marriage, I do not follow Imam Abu Hanifa but follow others who suggests less number of years like 3 years.

So you are saying you follow different imams in different matters. But how do you know who you should follow? You must have a reason to believe you should follow other imam instead of abu hanifa. Please explain.

[Khorosani]

Again another try to spread hatred against 99% Muslims who follow one or another Imam. More than 70% Muslims follow Imam Abu Hanifa. About 10% follow Imam Jafar Sadiq. Rest follow Imam Hanbal, Shafi and Malik.

Only about 1% are non followers or non conformists or ghair muqaledeen or wahabis or salafis or ahle hadith. This may be exaggerated upto 5%.

It means 95-99% Muslims are misled/gumrah and only the sect of Zamurd is the only one on right path. All others will be burnt into hell fire!And now Zamurd after 1400 years will come and teach us the right path otherwise he thinks he will be burnt in the hellfire for not spreading this hateful propaganda!

He will not be burnt into hell fire because he could save people from ignorance, poverty, illiteracy, drug abuse, narcotics, adulteration and many other socio/economic problems but because of not spreading sectarianism he will be burnt!

This is a flawed argument because our ummah for the majority of the time was not delving into matters of kalaam and bidah. Even when the ashari madhab came into the scene it didn't catch light up until late into the history of our ummah.

Furthermore most of the ummah doesn't fall for the batil of the kalamiuun or the quburiuun and if you give them the haq they will follow it. The only reason you'd see them react so violently to the haq is because clerics have brainwashed them and/or their grave culture has been incorporated to their traditions. As we can see in al maghrib, pakistan and afghanistan.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]