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    What Umar ibn al Khattabs policy towards non Arabs?

  • #2
    omar allied himself with the jews, and fought alogside with omar, as a reward jews were allowed to practice their religion freely in jerusalem. the jews started to call him Alfarooq.

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    • #3
      With all due respect to everyone involved, the best way to win a battle or a war is to be prepared for it beforehand.

      "A wise man in times of peace, prepares for war." - Horace.

      How do you prepare for war? You get an air-force, tanks and you muster the most inhumane and destructive weaponry you can get your hands on. If you can't do that, faith will confer no advantage on you. Sufi Mohammad of TSNM led tens of thousands of young men into the Taliban 'emirate' during the 2001 American invasion. They had more faith than all of us combined and multiplied by a hundred. They were overrun within days.

      Right now, the insurgency is doing the right thing, militarily speaking. Hit and run and then blend in with the population. Attack near populated areas so as to avoid retaliation from the sky. Plant IEDs all over the place. Faith and sinfulness have nothing to do with any of these military tactics.
      Last edited by Levanaye Zalmaye; 07-11-2010, 04:21 AM.
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

      "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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      • #4
        To be more precise ,its about guerilla warfare and using human sheilds.
        Intezar che pa salgo sho no ta raghley
        Che me jwand pa dobedo sho no ta raghley.....

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
          What Umar ibn al Khattabs policy towards non Arabs?
          Malgariya, same as that of any other power-hungry imperialist in history. Umar Ibn al Khittab met his end at the hands of a Persian nationalist Abu Lulu ye Feroz.

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          • #6
            actually it was a slave who ended up killing him during prayer. I think that Umar RA is such a beautiful figure in islam. Theres a hadith that says that when umar walks on one path, shaitan takes the other. I find Umar and Khalid ibn Al Walid really alike, mashaAllah such role models. I think they display a pashtun type of character.
            Did khalid ibn al walid's daughter marry a pashtun?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eyeliner View Post
              actually it was a slave who ended up killing him during prayer. I think that Umar RA is such a beautiful figure in islam. Theres a hadith that says that when umar walks on one path, shaitan takes the other. I find Umar and Khalid ibn Al Walid really alike, mashaAllah such role models. I think they display a pashtun type of character.
              Did khalid ibn al walid's daughter marry a pashtun?
              no his daughter never married to a pashtun, there were no family relations, he was very closed to pashtun, when the delegation of pashtun went to meet mohammad, he greeted them. he had a great role in conversion of pashtun to islam.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by afghan View Post
                no his daughter never married to a pashtun, there were no family relations, he was very closed to pashtun, when the delegation of pashtun went to meet mohammad, he greeted them. he had a great role in conversion of pashtun to islam.
                i read some where that qais abdur rashid was married to his daughter.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ianus Da Baakhtar
                  Malgariya/Malgare, this is the common myth that the Islamist perpetuate to disconnect ourselves from our true roots and connect us to Arab imperialism. The Qais Rashid story is a hoax.
                  I think it would be pertinent to ask a Persian or an Egyptian about the true status of Hz Omar.
                  im a malgare lol

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ianus Da Baakhtar View Post
                    Malgariya, same as that of any other power-hungry imperialist in history. Umar Ibn al Khittab met his end at the hands of a Persian nationalist Abu Lulu ye Feroz.
                    Exactly. From an Islamic point of view, there is much to admire about Caliph Omar. But if you came before him, he wouldnt have viewed you with the same respect and ihteram that he woulve viewed an Arab

                    The Persians were suppressed by Caliph Omar thats why they hate him to this day

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                    • #11
                      Patrick Clawson states that "The Iranians chafed under Umayyid rule. The Umayyids rose from traditional Arab aristocracy. They tended to marry other Arabs, creating an ethnic stratification that discriminated against Iranians. Even as Arabs adopted traditional Iranian bureaucracy, Arab tribalism disadvantaged Iranians."[51]
                      The conquest of Persia and beyond was thus seemingly intended to raise new revenues. Naturally, the native population did not appreciate this exploitation. Many Arab Muslims believed that Iranian converts should not clothe themselves as Arabs, among many other forms discrimination that existed.[52]
                      [53] Mu'awiyah, in a famous letter addressed to Ziyad ibn Abih, the then governor of Iraq, wrote:
                      "Be watchful of Iranian Muslims and never treat them as equals of Arabs. Arabs have a right to take in marriage their women, but they have no right to marry Arab women. Arabs are entitled to inherit their legacy, but they cannot inherit from an Arab. As far as possible they are to be given lesser pensions and lowly jobs. In the presence of an Arab, a non-Arab shall not lead the congregation prayer, nor they are to be allowed to stand in the first row of prayer, nor to be entrusted with the job of guarding the frontiers or the post of a qadi."Mistreatment of Persians and other non-Arabs during early Islam is well documented. To begin with, the Umayyids did not recognize equal rights of a Mawali and believed that only "pure Arab blood" was worthy of ruling.[54] Neither did they make any effort to mend relations with the Mawali after making declarations like:
                      "We blessed you with the sword (referring to the conquests) and dragged you into heaven by chains of our religion. This by itself is enough for you to understand that we are superior to you."[55]The Umayyid Arabs are even reported to have prevented the Mawali from having kunyas, as an Arab was only considered worthy of a kunya.[56] They were required to pay taxes for not being an Arab:
                      "During the early centuries of Islam when the Islamic empire was really an 'Arab kingdom', the Iranians, Central Asians and other non-Arab peoples who had converted to Islam in growing numbers as Mawali or 'clients' of an Arab lord or clan, had in practice acquired an inferior socio-economic and racial status compared to Arab Muslims, though the Mawali themselves fared better than the empire's non-Muslim subjects, the Ahl al-dhimma ('people of the book'). The Mawali, for instance, paid special taxes, often similar to the jizya (poll tax) and the kharaj (land tax) levied on the Zoroastrians and other non-Muslim subjects, taxes which were never paid by the Arab Muslims."[5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Persianism_by_Arabs

                      More on the Mawalis

                      Mawali or mawālá (Arabic: موالي‎) is a term in Classical Arabic used to address Muslim non-Arabs.
                      The term gained prominence in the centuries following the early Arab Muslim conquests in the 7th century, as many non-Arabs such as Persians, Egyptians, and Turks converted to Islam. These converts were treated as second class citizens by the ruling Arab elite - they continued to pay the tax required of nonbelievers and were excluded from government and the military until the end of the Umayyad Caliphate.[1] Therefore, many of them were drawn to the anti-Ummayyad activities of the Kaysanites Shia.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawali

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                      • #12
                        i'm sure there was no iran then wasn't it khorosan at the time?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Amir al Ghaznavi View Post
                          Exactly. From an Islamic point of view, there is much to admire about Caliph Omar. But if you came before him, he wouldnt have viewed you with the same respect and ihteram that he woulve viewed an Arab

                          The Persians were suppressed by Caliph Omar thats why they hate him to this day
                          this is based on wikipedia right?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ianus Da Baakhtar
                            Malgariya/Malgare, this is the common myth that the Islamist perpetuate to disconnect ourselves from our true roots and connect us to Arab imperialism. The Qais Rashid story is a hoax.
                            I think it would be pertinent to ask a Persian or an Egyptian about the true status of Hz Omar.
                            Persians were sodomists who would feed their eldery to wild dogs.

                            Be proud of it.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eyeliner View Post
                              i read some where that qais abdur rashid was married to his daughter.
                              thats false. The whole qais abdurrashid story is a myth.
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