Why Atheism Will Replace Religion: New Evidence

[faye]

A Taleb fanatic would never understand such deep things---

that is the same kind of evasion, i have seen by scimitar..
what is it with you guys, that you can't give something of your knowledge and experience of your religion?

[tor_khan]

If Toramana is a Sufi he couldn't share his experience in details.

Couldn't ? I'm intrigued.

One of my Hindu friends is very close to Sufism.

I have been invited to a zikr (?) twice. Once in Turkey and it was peaceful and uplifting. There was perhaps something staged about the music and the movements maybe. The time I went to see a dervish in Pakistan, it was a shaggy/bedraggled malang who looked like he and his audience had taken drugs. The spinning ended up with him having something like a fit on the floor. Way out of my understanding, I confess.

Perhaps Toramana can offer some take on this.

As for atheists. They can be just as hard nosed and intolerant as the religions they reject.

[Friend]

A Taleb fanatic would never understand such deep things---

You dont know me. I am very close to suffiis and know a lot about them but I would like to know what have you learnt from them ? Please enlighten us too if you consider it is good for us too.

[Friend]

If Toramana is a Sufi he couldn't share his experience in details.

Why not??? He is the promoter of knowledge as he claims then why not share this knowledge with us ? Why to hide it ?

[DaZahroJaam.]

Actually, I want to understand these atheists---I wonder why they don't get attracted to spiritualism---and mystic/Sufi doctrine---

according to what i have been reading, atheism should be a form of mental illness...
in order to be considered a healthy being, you have to be well in seven aspects of wellness. one of those dimensions is defined as spiritual well being. and spiritual well being is being in peace with the belief of a power higher than one's self.. which concludes the purpose of life. we all know that they don't believe in that.

[faye]

what are the other 6 dimensions? i pass the first test.

[DaZahroJaam.]

• Social Wellness is the ability to relate to and connect with other people in our world. Our ability to establish and maintain positive relationships with family, friends and co-workers contributes to our Social Wellness.
• Emotional Wellness is the ability to understand ourselves and cope with the challenges life can bring. The ability to acknowledge and share feelings of anger, fear, sadness or stress; hope, love, joy and happiness in a productive manner contributes to our Emotional Wellness.
• Spiritual Wellness is the ability to establish peace and harmony in our lives. The ability to develop congruency between values and actions and to realize a common purpose that binds creation together contributes to our Spiritual Wellness.
• Environmental Wellness is the ability to recognize our own responsibility for the quality of the air, the water and the land that surrounds us. The ability to make a positive impact on the quality of our environment, be it our homes, our communities or our planet contributes to our Environmental Wellness.
• Occupational Wellness is the ability to get personal fulfillment from our jobs or our chosen career fields while still maintaining balance in our lives. Our desire to contribute in our careers to make a positive impact on the organizations we work in and to society as a whole leads to Occupational Wellness.
• Intellectual Wellness is the ability to open our minds to new ideas and experiences that can be applied to personal decisions, group interaction and community betterment. The desire to learn new concepts, improve skills and seek challenges in pursuit of lifelong learning contributes to our Intellectual Wellness.
• Physical Wellness is the ability to maintain a healthy quality of life that allows us to get through our daily activities without undue fatigue or physical stress. The ability to recognize that our behaviors have a significant impact on our wellness and adopting healthful habits (routine check ups, a balanced diet, exercise, etc.) while avoiding destructive habits (tobacco, drugs, alcohol, etc.) will lead to optimal Physical Wellness.

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[faye]

i pass 5 3/4 out of 6. not bad. bit more physical exercising and i will get up to 6/6.
how'd you go, missy?

[faye]

anyone seen this documentary? this guy went to the amazon as a christian preacher and came back out, an atheist after spending years with this interesting tribe.

he admits that to brainwash people to christianity, he would have to convince them first, that their beliefs are wrong.
same like the atheists are trying to do, to those who believe in a god.
i can't access the whole doco from australia.
"The Amazon Code" Trailer (aka "The Grammar of Happiness") - YouTube

[یاسمینه]

Couldn't ? I'm intrigued.

One of my Hindu friends is very close to Sufism.

I have been invited to a zikr (?) twice. Once in Turkey and it was peaceful and uplifting. There was perhaps something staged about the music and the movements maybe. The time I went to see a dervish in Pakistan, it was a shaggy/bedraggled malang who looked like he and his audience had taken drugs. The spinning ended up with him having something like a fit on the floor. Way out of my understanding, I confess.

Sufism is not only the common prayers in different places (sometimes even in private houses). There are many documentaries abou these practices among male and female Sufis.
But Sufism is also a way of internal self-improvement, achieving the next steps of initiation under the guidance of master. Such practices are are hidden from outsiders. This is what I know from a Sufi.

[Afghanistan2010]

A Taleb fanatic would never understand such deep things---

Why don't you have mercy upon us,so that we too can come to peace,we want such spirtuality like yours,we too want to hate islamic extremism as you hate....we need serious help from you,and your sufism beliefs.



loooool Toramana fled the thread,those comments,i could thank everyones comment here loool.

[DaZahroJaam.]

i don't want you thanking my posts. how many times do i have to say that to you??

[HalloIsBack]

and christianity is spreading in china but has to be mostly hidden from the atheist government due to them being repressive. they have to meet in secret.
i saw a documenary about it.

the same about christianity in iran

[Tjanaparh]

Why people like to live under labels they do not correspond themselves?
There is so much interest of people to proclaim to be something or to categorize other people....but nobody thinks himself to fit on what he thinks he should be or doesn't think if others to fit in what he likes them to fit.

This kind of behaviour is one of disbelievers at all, because somebody who believes never will say "belief=label" or "you are what you proclaim to be".
I can even proclaim to be the most rightfull; noble hearted, believing man, the essence of trouth....
But it is enough that somebody knows me better to say that it is not true...

[ډګروال]

toramana is as sufi as salman rushdie.

once toramana claimed to be a sufi from Naqshbandia.
here is the most prominent Naqshbandi Mawlana , he is against Toramana
Mawlana Nazim
Nazim Kibrisi - All Regimes will collapse in this year - Butun rejimler coker 2011 - YouTube