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    Fatwa fight rages between Saudi clerics


    DUBAI/ RIYADH (Al Arabiya, AFP)
    Heated debates swept Saudi religious circles as one cleric ruled that music was not un-Islamic while another supported adult breastfeeding and mixed-gender prayers.

    Religious scholars, judges and clerics from both the hardline and progressive camps in Saudi Arabia argued last weeks about setting the rules that should govern the conservative kingdom in accordance with Islamic jurisprudence.

    " There is no clear text or ruling in Islam that singing and music are prohibited "
    Sheikh Adel al-Kalbani



    Much of the debate has focused on a fatwa issued by Adel al-Kalbani, a cleric from Riyadh, noting that Islam does not forbid music or singing.

    Kalbani, the first black imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, is distinguished by his resonant voice and the soulful intensity of his Qur'anic recitation.

    "There is no clear text or ruling in Islam that singing and music are prohibited," Kalbani said.

    All kinds of music, with the exception of folk music and in very specific occasions, are banned in Saudi Arabia. Conservatives argue that music and singing are forbidden in Islam and that this not only applies to public performances, but even inside homes.

    Kalbani defended his position by saying that the kind of music he endorses is absolutely devoid of any indecency that might violate Islamic laws.

    "I am talking about decent singing, which contains decent words, and supports morality," he told the online newspaper Sabq.org.

    Kalbani said he is willing to discuss the issue, yet complained that some people do not accept to engage in debates in the first place.
    Breastfeeding and prayer combination
    " Those who offer abnormal fatwas which have no support from the Quran should be halted "
    Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al al-Sheikh



    Another two fatwas that sparked anger among hardliners were issued by Sheikh Abdul Mohsen al-Obeikan, a top advisor in the court of King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz.

    In the first fatwa, Obeikan said an adult man is considered a woman’s son if she breastfeeds him. So, if gender mixing is to be allowed in Islam women should breastfeed men to create a family-like environment and minimize chances of unauthorized sexual relations.

    The issue of adult breastfeeding, loosely based on a story from the early Islamic era, has infuriated both conservatives and liberals alike and was also condemned by women rights activists. The fatwa was also seen as a way of getting around the ban on mixing of unrelated men and women.

    Obeikan, who is known for promoting a milder approach to religion, also angered conservatives when he said that noon and afternoon prayers can be combined together at times of scathing heat. Temperature in the kingdom exceeds 50 degrees Celsius in the summer.

    Conservatives argued that combining prayers could only be done under very specific circumstances such as travelling and insisted that they were against issuing such a general rule that applies to everyone.
    Conservatives slam fatwas

    Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al al-Sheikh



    As the religious debate reached the internet and several media outlets and as the fatwas of Kablani and Obeikan were seen to cause confusion amongst Saudis, conservative clerics decided to contain the chaos.

    Sheikh Abdul Rahman al-Sudais slammed in his Friday sermon what he described as “fraudulent” fatwas and compared those who issue them to vendors who sell fake goods. These fatwas, he added, undermine the security of the country.

    Meanwhile, Saudi's Grand Mufti, Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al al-Sheikh, warned the originators of such fatwas that serious measures could be taken against them.

    "Those who offer abnormal fatwas which have no support from the Quran should be halted," he said on al-Majd television Sunday.

    Al al-Sheikh added that the issuers of those fatwas are not qualified and compared allowing them to promote those ideas to allowing fake doctors to treat patients.

    The controversy highlighted the necessity of unifying sources of fatwa in the kingdom. The government is in favor of establishing one single body that would be in charge of issuing religious edicts under the supervision of the Senior Scholars Council.
    The “chaos”

    Sheikh Ahmed al-Ghamdi



    Hamad al-Qadi, member of the Saudi Shura Council, called the fatwa fight "chaos" and said that the entire Muslim world looks to Saudi Arabia as far as Islamic laws are concerned.

    "The Islamic world follows whatever comes out of our country and its scholars concerning Islam," he said, according to al-Hayat newspaper.

    Journalist Dawood al-Shirian said fatwas are not a source of entertainment, but constitute a power the defines an entire society.

    “Fatwas create conservatism or promote moderation,” he wrote in al-Hayat newspaper. “They are the real power.”

    Another fatwa battle ensued earlier this year when Sheikh Ahmed al-Ghamdi, head of the Mecca branch of the Commission for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, shocked conservatives by endorsing the mingling of the sexes. Ghamdi was dismissed then reinstated.

  • #2
    What a useless people are these mullahs! They still are fighting on meaningless issues (should women drive or not; should people listen to music or not) and then they claim that the Europeans have learned science from them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by nazia
      Hairan,
      did you read the Saudi guy who said men should be breastfed?
      Yeah! I was in Dubai when I read about that in the press and watched some discussions on televisions. The Mufti issued a fatwa which said women were not allowed to drive but they can breasfeed their drivers so the drivers become their sons. Now look at this stupidity! How insulting for women!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by nazia
        Hairan,
        did you read the Saudi guy who said men should be breastfed?
        I will vote for that Mullah.


        No wait, voting isn't allowed in Saudi Arabia..... I guess I'll just have to make a Facebook group supporting him... Ah, no wait, Facebook didn't ban the Prophet drawing page.... Okay, how about a t-shirt of this guy? Bah, can't - pictures are haram! I'm running out of options here!!!!
        "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

        "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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        • #5
          I really like your views Hairan Roara.Keep it up.

          Its amazing that there is absolutely no protest nor march in Saudi Arabia that condems suicide bombing attacks on innocent civilians, but there are big disccusions on women allowing men to get breastfed by them.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
            I will vote for that Mullah.


            No wait, voting isn't allowed in Saudi Arabia..... I guess I'll just have to make a Facebook group supporting him... Ah, no wait, Facebook didn't ban the Prophet drawing page.... Okay, how about a t-shirt of this guy? Bah, can't - pictures are haram! I'm running out of options here!!!!

            hahaha thats very true

            Its all the petrol dollars that keeps these people supported, once the petrol dollars are all gone, their idelology will only be limited to Arab bedions in Arabia where it belongs.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by nazia
              I still don't get it.
              why do they want us to breastfeed men?
              Calcium. Keeps the bones strong.

              No. Actually according to their twisted logic, if a man drinks a woman's milk, he becomes like her son in a way so it's okay for them to socialize thereafter as mother and son. They did this because in normal circumstances, men and women are not allowed to see each other unless they're related closely.

              Originally posted by StrategistMaseed View Post
              hahaha thats very true

              Its all the petrol dollars that keeps these people supported, once the petrol dollars are all gone, their idelology will only be limited to Arab bedions in Arabia where it belongs.
              I'd say the Saudis have around a hundred years left..... Unless they're taken down before that.
              "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

              "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nazia
                I still don't get it.
                why do they want us to breastfeed men?
                Same question can be asked why they wanted micky mouse to be killed, why they are the worlds most intolarant people, why are they so violent towards others in the name of Allah and not just this, why do they advocate jihad globally but kindly accept dollars for their oil.

                The Same Saudi Arabia who prohibits churches and synagogues to be opened in Saudi Arabia but on the other hand they sponsored and send mullahs to europe and other christian nations to spread Wahabism.

                Its Hipocrasy and I am amazed at how the west is so soft on such people

                Kind Regards

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nazia
                  I still don't get it.
                  why do they want us to breastfeed men?
                  Well, if you are a Saudi woman, you are rich and you have your own car. But you are not allowed to drive that car. And none of your close relatives can drive for you because each of them is rich and has lot of businesses and 'activities.' So you have to hire a driver. Inevitably the driver is a foreigner (Lebanese, Pakistani, Egyptian, Indian, whatever). The law also does not allow you to socilize with your driver because he is not your relative. So the only solution the Mufti found was that you breastfeed your driver. He will become your son, you his mother. Then you socilize with him, i.e. you can talk to him, he can see you, can eat with you, whatever. Now the mufti did not think that it will be a sheer insult for women to breasfeed their drivers because in his opinion women are like goats, the muftis should use them as they wish.
                  One Saudi girl asked a question on a television: I am 15 year old and my driver is 50 year old. My mother has died. So should I breastfeed this old man? Will he become my son and I his mother?
                  Another woman asked: why the mufti always is busy in creating fatwas for women, and never does this for men. My husband has more than 7 female servents and I know he has sucked all of their breasts. But he has never become their son. Why?
                  I don't know what answer the mufti may has for these questions. There are many other questions for which you should contact the Saudi women or follow Arab media.

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                  • #10
                    My god that disgusted me. How are these people in such high seats.

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                    • #11
                      I rather wait for a comprehensive interpretation of the FATWAS under discussion before passing my "SMART" judgement.

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                      • #12
                        ^oh please!


                        this is extremely disgusting!.... i am really embarassed... this is a place that is supposed to represent Islam...

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