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[RevolutionThroughReason]

Is there one text or scholar above all others you would recommend as essential reading for someone with limited time?

I'd rather PM some stuff to you, I don't want the firingi street trash to get involved in some way to promote her aboriginal voodoo nonsense.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I'd rather PM some stuff to you, I don't want the firingi street trash to get involved in some way to promote her aboriginal voodoo nonsense.

What happened? last time I was here I though you guys were friends - comrades in arms

[RevolutionThroughReason]

She seems to not like when people shun aboriginal jargon as being equally meritable as science.

[faye]

That's what Asharites tend to want to portray so they can claim themselves as they "Traditional Sunni Islam", but the fact is that Avicenna and Avveroes were intellectual heavy weights who emphasized the Mu'tazilah doctrines focus on reason long after Ashari came, which indicates that Ashari's initial refutation was not even considered worthy of a reply.

i don't see that what i read, puts asharites in a better light.
both had aspects that i like but the overemphasis on logic and rationality is ignoring our inner consciousness connected to higher consciousness, to my mind.
i think the mu'tazilah believe we are separated from the creator and have free will. is that correct?
i believe we are connected to creator and we recieve knowledge and information from within and not just from without.

[faye]

Whatever the case, its a fascinating era of history and the writings come out of these key cities are so detailed that when I was reading them it was like reading a higher level philosophy textbook as opposed to polemic.

i tell you, i have so much admiration for those men back then, using their minds to such an amazing degree, to explore the mind, creation and religion.
i feel elated reading some of them. al ghazalis writings are so beautifully worded and ibn sina. man...those guys

[faye]

I'd rather PM some stuff to you, I don't want the firingi street trash to get involved in some way to promote her aboriginal voodoo nonsense.

lol..don't be scared, baby girl.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

lol..don't be scared, baby girl.

scared of an inferior moron like you? never, find you annoying, always.

[faye]

mu'tazilah theologian: abd al jabars- "acting immorally or unwisely, stems from need and deficiency. one acts in a repugnant way, when one does not know the ugliness of ones deeds, ie; because of lack of knowledge, or when one has some need, material, PSYCHOLOGICAL or OTHERWISE"
dedicated to you, dear scim.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

there you go Faye; heed Abdal Jabbar's wisdom; set yourself straight with whatever few years you have left, before it is too late.

behaving like a disgusting parasite is beneath an enlightened mind.

[faye]

i don't see that what i read, puts asharites in a better light.
both had aspects that i like but the overemphasis on logic and rationality is ignoring our inner consciousness connected to higher consciousness, to my mind.
i think the mu'tazilah believe we are separated from the creator and have free will. is that correct?
i believe we are connected to creator and we recieve knowledge and information from within and not just from without.

is it possible for you to answer this post?

there is no need to get titchy, because barakzai adressed me in a civil manner, as an equal.

if the mu'tazilah belief system is so good, why are you not proud to show it to others? i have noticed you have been very close lipped about mu'tazilah ideas, apart from bragging that you are one and how great it is, and i don't understand why.
i am interested in these intelligent muslims, plus science, partly due to your previous debates and comments, so stop being so precious with knowledge that can be of interest to many, on here.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

But Barakzai does so out of misguided sympathy, you're not an equal. Your penchant for Aboriginal voodoo as having surpassed modern science when they squabble in filth demonstrates that


My disinterest in showing it to you has nothing to do with any issues of shame or lack of pride, but because your approach to things are flawed, for example you think if a Mu'tazilah says something or explains something, that this is a STATIC concept, forgetting that a central theme in Reason/Logic is that things can be MODIFIED based on more evidence.

[faye]

so, now you know barakzais mind and intent as well as admin khans. i see you have been practicing those telepathy exercises i telepathed to you. you are doing well.

according to you, modern science says that reality is only information-no thing. buddhism, hinduism and many other belief systems have said that reality is no thing, for centuries. you need to step outside the box of your indoctrination, that assumes that science and logic is the way to the answer of 'what' and 'why'.

so, back to topic of mu'tazilah. come on babe, give the information to the masses, so we can all enjoy the knowledge that has made you the man you are today.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I can say with fare confidence that BarakzaiAbdali gives as little credence to your Aboriginal jibber jabber as I do. That's something I can infer easily from his other writing.

No Buddhism and HInduism says that reality is "Maya" quite different than "Not a thing". You can't fool me with that one, I've read up on both religions

Maybe try READING the texts than "retro-scoping" them you'd have merit.

The subject of Mu'tazilah hypothese are for the mentally mature; not everyone can handle their insights, I wouldn't want your brain to combust since it comprehends only simpleton theories of aboriginal interrelatedness of organic life. I'm doing this for your benefit.

[faye]

There are a lot of Muslims who are Mu'tazilah today. You don't hear of them because they're not bombing people and mosques.

where are these people? do you have some websites or forum links?
there is not a lot that i could find about them, today.
i have already read some of their ideas. i enjoy to see the minds and thinking from those early eras, even if i don't always agree.

[faye]

I can say with fare confidence that BarakzaiAbdali gives as little credence to your Aboriginal jibber jabber as I do. That's something I can infer easily from his other writing.

No Buddhism and HInduism says that reality is "Maya" quite different than "Not a thing". You can't fool me with that one, I've read up on both religions

Maybe try READING the texts than "retro-scoping" them you'd have merit.

The subject of Mu'tazilah hypothese are for the mentally mature; not everyone can handle their insights, I wouldn't want your brain to combust since it comprehends only simpleton theories of aboriginal interrelatedness of organic life. I'm doing this for your benefit.

still reading barakzais mind.

lol, just because you have read on them does not mean you comprehend, if your mind has chosen to limit it's capacity to incorporate new information, that is not told to it, by scientists.

maya-illusion, projected from oneself.
aboriginal belief, that i have been told by aboriginal elders, is that creator and creation is interconnected.

i thought you would like my brain to combust.