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The Islamic Refutation of the Mutazilah sect by the scholars of Islam

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  • #16
    Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
    Which Mu'tazilah references do they say people "created" their sins and their good deeds?

    Caused yes, but created? where???
    create-to produce or bring about by a course of action or behaviour.

    whose got the problem with their learning curve? or do you believe in predestination now?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
      As always,his primary source site is wikipedia.



      prove that it is my PRIMARY source
      Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 10-06-2012, 10:59 AM.
      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by faye View Post
        create-to produce or bring about by a course of action or behaviour.

        whose got the problem with their learning curve? or do you believe in predestination now?

        You don't know your own language apparently

        cre·ate   [kree-eyt] Show IPA verb, cre·at·ed, cre·at·ing, adjective
        verb (used with object)
        1.
        to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.

        I don't believe in predestination, but that's not the issue; my issue is where do you derive that Mu'taziliyeen believe Allah causes them to perform certain deeds, in contrast to creating their deeds.
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #19
          neo mutazilis = neo salafis

          both suffering from god complex

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
            Are you sane what you are saying ?
            Haha,please prove this that Matrudi was Ashari,beside this i really don't care about Imam Matrudi (rah) he may have errors as he was human.

            No you idiot that's not what I said, I said that the 'Ashari and Maturidi positions are 99% the same, they only differ on a few issues.

            11. Ashari and Maturidi Aqeeda explanation - YouTube

            here your own Deobandi pedophile even explains this

            you're using information which condemns your creed as well (you do know Deobandi creed is Maturidi right? hahahaha)
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by بریدمل View Post
              neo mutazilis = neo salafis

              both suffering from god complex

              Salafi movement - Wikipedia
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

              Salafism has become associated with literalist, strict and puritanical approaches to Islam and, in the West, with the Salafi Jihadis who espouse violent jihad against civilians as a legitimate expression of Islam
              Security Verification
              http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/islam/sunni/mutaz.html

              A second doctrine concerned the nature of God. God is pure Essence and, therefore, without eternal attributes such as hands. Passages in the Qur'an that ascribe human or physical properties to God are to be regarded as metaphorical rather than literal.

              yeah they're exactly the same
              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                No you idiot that's not what I said, I said that the 'Ashari and Maturidi positions are 99% the same, they only differ on a few issues.

                11. Ashari and Maturidi Aqeeda explanation - YouTube

                here your own Deobandi pedophile even explains this

                you're using information which condemns your creed as well (you do know Deobandi creed is Maturidi right? hahahaha)
                I do not have deobandi creed,but i regard them as trustworthy source.
                Again this video does not prove your statement....more lies to follow ?
                High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
                  I do not have deobandi creed,but i regard them as trustworthy source.
                  Again this video does not prove your statement....more lies to follow ?
                  babahahahhahahahhahahahhaha


                  Yes it does DID YOU WATCH the video? where he says "Maturidi and Ashari have very few differences"

                  Now you're backing down because your bull**** "attack" by Hanbalis also attacks your 'aqidah . You're denying being a Deobandi after having studied in Akora Khattak hahahaha

                  you basically just tried to get me with an intellectual suicide bomb and it failed
                  Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 10-06-2012, 11:20 AM.
                  [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                  2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                  • #24
                    Seriously 2010 ....you were saying something about Mu'tazilah creed not being compatible with science


                    are you saying that the bull**** you posted proves that the Mu'tazilah were unscientific? hahahahahah
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                      You don't know your own language apparently
                      I don't believe in predestination, but that's not the issue; my issue is where do you derive that Mu'taziliyeen believe Allah causes them to perform certain deeds, in contrast to creating their deeds.
                      tell that to the websters dictionary.

                      consciousness creates what we think of as reality, and the deeds, and it all happens/or doesn't happen, now.

                      "by going and returning, we never leave home"
                      "emptiness is form, form is emtiness" ...says buddhism. you like?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by faye View Post
                        tell that to the websters dictionary.

                        consciousness creates what we think of as reality, and the deeds, and it all happens/or doesn't happen, now.

                        "by going and returning, we never leave home"
                        "emptiness is form, form is emtiness" ...says buddhism. you like?


                        No that's not causing the acts, it's creating the field which the acts can manifest

                        you really suck at this new age ****.

                        so basically I was right your idiotic aboriginal interpretation causes errors in analysis.
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #27
                          but are they really manifesting? the acts?
                          you thinking i am the one who knows 'nothing' are still looking for the boson, which is only information and 'not a thing'.
                          so are the acts occurring or are they also, just information?

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                          • #28
                            Quantum Mechanically, yes

                            anyways ...too deep for your intellect level, wouldn't want you to have a etroke.
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              you really suck at this new age ****.

                              so basically I was right your idiotic aboriginal interpretation causes errors in analysis.
                              see, now you start to get UNREASONABLE and hysterical because i caught you out on your incompetance at the english language.
                              try not to lose the plot.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by faye View Post
                                see, now you start to get UNREASONABLE and hysterical because i caught you out on your incompetance at the english language.
                                try not to lose the plot.


                                wow talk about copy cat, when you;ve been dispatched you just mimic your opponent; senile old fart.
                                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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