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  • #16
    Show us where in some of the works of Plato and Socrates where they completely reject it


    or is this what some Mullah in Pakistan told you? hahahahhahahahhaa
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    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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    • #17
      Religious Views of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle





      The religious views of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle form the genesis of monotheistic religious thought. They each form ideas that differ from the traditional view of a polytheistic religion where the gods each have their own personalities and judgments. The succession of each scholar paints a picture of how a monotheistic religion can gradually come to be.
      Under the assumption that the Gods have quarrels and differing opinions, Socrates questions the authority of the Gods who can have contradicting opinions. Since one God can believe that something is pious and another God can believe that the same something is impious, then no God is correct because there is not a unified agreement as to whether something is good or bad. Therefore, they are ununified in their view of who needs to be punished and how severely. His point is illustrated best in his conversation with Euthyphro in Plato's Trial and Death of Socrates. In this conversation, Socrates states, "I did not ask you what same thing is both pious and impious, and it appears that what is loved by the gods is also hated by them. So it is in no way surprising if your present action, namely punishing your father, may be pleasing to Zeus but displeasing to Cronus and Uranus, pleasing to Hephaestus but displeasing to Hera, and so with any other gods who differ from eachother on this subject (Trial and Death of Socrates 8)."
      Socrates appears to believe in multiple Gods. However, he does hint at a unified God with one unwavering opinion on what is pious and what is unpious. In a long debate with Euthyphro, Euthyphro agrees to both the statement that the pious is what is dear to the Gods (Trial and Death of Socrates 18) and also to the statement that some things are both loved by the gods and hated by the Gods (Trial and Death of Socrates 9). He is therefore contradicting himself and revealing a disjointed and contradictory image of the Gods. In a sarcastic statement near the end of the debate, Socrates says, "If you had no clear knowledge of piety and impiety you would never have ventured to prosecute your old father for murder on behalf of a servant. For fear of the gods you would have been afraid to take the risk lest you should not be acting rightly, and would have been ashamed before men, but now I know well that you believe you have clear knowledge of piety and impiety (Trial and Death of Socrates 19)." This statement shows that Socrates himself does believe in multiple Gods and does, in fact, believe that the Gods have contradictory opinions.
      Plato has a concept of a God which shares many traits with the Christian idea of God. Socrates' God is a single God who is the source of creation (Burtt 49). He also depicts God as being inherently good. He depicts a God that motivates with goodness rather than punishment (Burtt 49).
      Aristotle moves even closer to the idea of a single and unified God. With his idea of the unmoved mover, a single being is pointed to as being the original source of all movement and change in the world. Aristotle's statement that, ""We say therefore that God is a living being, eternal, most good, so that life and duration continuous and eternal belong to God; for this is God (Aristotle)," paint a picture of a single God that is much like our Christian God.
      Through Socrates' debates about the contradictory nature of polytheism, to Plato's original creator, to Aristotle's unmoved mover, these three philosophers gradually move from a polytheistic religious view to one that leans toward a monotheistic view. They played a large role in the transformation of religious thought that was to come.

      Works Cited

      Aristotle. Crandall University. (http://www.abu.nb.ca/Courses/GrPhil/.../Aristotle.htm).
      Burtt, Edwin A. Types of Religious Philosophy. New York: Harper & Brothers, 1951.
      Plato. Trial and Death of Socrates. Third ed. Indianapolis: Hackett, 2000.


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      • #18
        your quote disproves your claims.






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        Socrates appears to believe in multiple Gods. However, he does hint at a unified God with one unwavering opinion on what is pious and what is unpious. In a long debate with Euthyphro, Euthyphro agrees to both the statement that the pious is what is dear to the Gods (Trial and Death of Socrates 18) and also to the statement that some things are both loved by the gods and hated by the Gods (Trial and Death of Socrates 9). He is therefore contradicting himself and revealing a disjointed and contradictory image of the Gods.

        Your quote verifies he's a Mushirk; it is only this person's interpretation that he MIGHT be HINTING at a Unified God.
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        • #19
          Wrong.....ias i read his and Platos and especially Aristotles works they appear to be monotheists...


          Plato has a concept of a God which shares many traits with the Christian idea of God. Socrates' God is a single God who is the source of creation (Burtt 49). He also depicts God as being inherently good. He depicts a God that motivates with goodness rather than punishment (Burtt 49).
          Aristotle moves even closer to the idea of a single and unified God. With his idea of the unmoved mover, a single being is pointed to as being the original source of all movement and change in the world. Aristotle's statement that, ""We say therefore that God is a living being, eternal, most good, so that life and duration continuous and eternal belong to God; for this is God (Aristotle)," paint a picture of a single God that is much like our Christian God.
          Last edited by Afghanistan2010; 09-03-2012, 05:40 PM.
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          • #20
            What an uneducated idiot ...you must fail all your classes, I've never met anyone who lacks intelligence as much as you do.
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            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
              As much as I dislike Salafi/Wahabi extremist doctrine, I'd like to also point out that many many Sufis are practitioners of occultist mysticism heavily influenced by pagan elements.
              Like who? What exactly is occultist mysticism? And what pagan elements are you referring to? Can you name a single Sufi scholar or a single Sufi work that promotes "occultist mysticism" or "pagan elements"?

              Originally posted by R3SISTANC3 View Post
              You can not deny the worship of graves, amirs, saints, pirs, fakeers, babas etc. and their false claims to having powers which allows them to heal and win favors with Allah swt.
              Firstly, the charge of "worship of graves" is a Wahhabi exaggeration. And the ability to heal people is not an impossibility. As for false claims by pseudo-pirs who seek worldly gain, or the misguided practices of certain laymen, these have nothing to do with Sufism. In fact, the Sufis themselves warn against these. So one should not refer to such people as Sufis nor to their actions as Sufism.

              The discussion here was regarding a movement, not common individuals. What so-and-so here or there does has no bearing on it, unless that person is an authority whose word and practice is definitive of the movement. This goes for the discussion of Wahhabism/Salafism as well. What an individual or group of Wahhabis/Salafis do that is contradictory to Wahhabism has no bearing.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mujib View Post
                Like who? What exactly is occultist mysticism? And what pagan elements are you referring to? Can you name a single Sufi scholar or a single Sufi work that promotes "occultist mysticism" or "pagan elements"?
                80 % of the works of Tahir ul Qadri.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                  What an uneducated idiot ...you must fail all your classes, I've never met anyone who lacks intelligence as much as you do.

                  Plato has a concept of a God which shares many traits with the Christian idea of God. Socrates' God is a single God who is the source of creation (Burtt 49). He also depicts God as being inherently good. He depicts a God that motivates with goodness rather than punishment (Burtt 49).
                  Aristotle moves even closer to the idea of a single and unified God. With his idea of the unmoved mover, a single being is pointed to as being the original source of all movement and change in the world. Aristotle's statement that, ""We say therefore that God is a living being, eternal, most good, so that life and duration continuous and eternal belong to God; for this is God (Aristotle)," paint a picture of a single God that is much like our Christian God.
                  you wish they were MUTTZEALS....heinh
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                  • #24
                    prove it from the works of Socrates and Plato then.....your quote actually contradicted you.
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #25
                      Again....again .....again....

                      I wanted to say something but this language does not suite me and my character therefore i will leave it at that for now.
                      High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
                        you wish they were MUTTZEALS....heinh

                        Beswad talib bacha berish; can you read

                        look at the stuff you quoted

                        "moves even closer" ....that doesn't mean "completely monotheistic"

                        "a single being" ....this is like Hindu Belief in Brahman that every God is apart of a single being, they believed all their Gods were apart of Brahman, this is more like Hindu Pantheism, not Monotheism


                        SubhanAllah you can't even correctly read what you're quoting ....so sad how ignorant you are.

                        you're such a jahil it is amazing, no matter what you quote it backfires
                        Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 09-03-2012, 06:01 PM.
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                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Afghanistan2010 View Post
                          Again....again .....again....

                          I wanted to say something but this language does not suite me and my character therefore i will leave it at that for now.
                          haha your quote disproves your own statement ....do you understand English bacha berish?
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                          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                          • #28
                            Everything you like about Islamic culture is from the Mu'tazilah, and you can't handle reality
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                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #29
                              by this language i meant "these words or sentences" i would utter...

                              High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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                              • #30
                                Pakistan1010 0 .....Revolutionthroughreason 100000000000

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                                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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