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  • #31
    Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
    religion cant be forced down peoples throats, true belief comes from within... sorry for all of you zealots who wanted thos 72 virgins!
    Islam as a religion indeed can't be forced on people, because there is no compulsion in religion. But Islamic government must be forced on them, because the word of Allah (swt) should be the highest, higher than the word of men (democracy) or any other Taghoot (idol) system.

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    • #32
      really??? so basically you are advocating forcing religion and your beliefs on people... a non muslim wouldnt want islamic law on them and why should a peaceful ppl be murdered for protecting their lands against an invading force in this case u.... how would you like it if a certain ideology/political system was imposed on u?
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      • #33
        most people want 2 live in peace... I have muslim/ non muslim friends... I dont care about peoples religion or personal beliefs.... there are always a few hot heads running around who have something to proove... funny how they are the last ones 2 actually go 2 war
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
          religion cant be forced down peoples throats, true belief comes from within...

          That is exactly what Muslims believe and what Islam teaches. However this statement isnt complete, it lacks the most important component.

          Something which Maiwand is trying to say here:

          Originally posted by Maiwand View Post
          Islam as a religion indeed can't be forced on people, because there is no compulsion in religion. But Islamic government must be forced on them, because the word of Allah (swt) should be the highest, higher than the word of men (democracy) or any other Taghoot (idol) system.

          What every human being chooses for himself as a faith or lack there of is their personal choice, however, the message of God should dominate and be superior to all, the system that God has established is the only one that is true, the only truth.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
            really??? so basically you are advocating forcing religion and your beliefs on people... a non muslim wouldnt want islamic law on them and why should a peaceful ppl be murdered for protecting their lands against an invading force in this case u.... how would you like it if a certain ideology/political system was imposed on u?
            Islam is not "a certain idelogy of just a political system". It is succes in this world and salvation in the hereafter. So I am more than happy that the Arabs have forced this religion on our people many centuries ago, if that wasn't the case probably many of us would still be budhists or other mushrik/unbelievers.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Maiwand View Post
              Islam is not "a certain idelogy of just a political system". It is succes in this world and salvation in the hereafter. So I am more than happy that the Arabs have forced this religion on our people many centuries ago, if that wasn't the case probably many of us would still be budhists or other mushrik/unbelievers.
              Nice post, I appreciate your sentiments.

              I just want to clarify, Afghans were the only Nation where a few special things happened:

              • Our ancestor Qees Abdur Rashid was invited to Medinah by the Prophet PBUH himself.
              • Hazrat Umar RA specifically told his commanders to not fight the Afghans but give them the Message of Islam as Tableegh.
              • There are many among us including myself who believe that Afghans were Hebrews and therefore following the Law of Torah or Shareeat i Moosawai, and that not all of us were Pagans.

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              • #37
                The west is the one who is imposing its secular beliefs, under the cloak of democracy and human rights, on the muslim word. Look how they destroyed Iraq. They are plundering our wealth, but we don't hear these hypocrites critisizing them or their way of life. They are spreading their false idelogy and beliefs with the power of money, B52's and drones.

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                • #38
                  qais abul rashid was a myth!
                  pashtuns were not jewish before islam... that was made up in the mughal times 2 show pashtuns as non native to Afghanistan so that mughals cld say they had no right to rule independetly.... we are not semites... pashtuns were zoroastrian before Islam... Dont complain then when democracy or any other system is forced down your thorats for that is what you wish 2 do to the world by forcing you politics on others
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                    qais abul rashid was a myth!
                    pashtuns were not jewish before islam... that was made up in the mughal times 2 show pashtuns as non native to Afghanistan so that mughals cld say they had no right to rule independetly.... we are not semites... pashtuns were zoroastrian before Islam... Dont complain then when democracy or any other system is forced down your thorats for that is what you wish 2 do to the world by forcing you politics on others
                    There is a big difference between democracy or any other system and Islam. Islam comes from the almighty God, where as other systems are man-made and thus imperfect and corrupt.

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                    • #40
                      so does a Hindu believe his law comes from God... so does every other religion believe that their law is superior 2 others since it comes from God... hence they will try and impose it on others... your not unique in your thinking.... a non muslims doesnt hold islamic law in high regard because they dont believe it comes from God.. if they did they would be Muslim... non muslims will say islamic law is man made...
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                      • #41
                        ufff you should really sit with some1 who is dying and you will see how petty your arguments are... you hell bent on waging war to spread your ideas and by association causing death... when you see death as I do on a daily basis you will see that life and preservation of it is more important
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                          so does a Hindu believe his law comes from God... so does every other religion believe that their law is superior 2 others since it comes from God... hence they will try and impose it on others... your not unique in your thinking.... a non muslims doesnt hold islamic law in high regard because they dont believe it comes from God.. if they did they would be Muslim... non muslims will say islamic law is man made...
                          Islam is the only system that has laws and regulations for every aspect of life, for economy, social life, political etc.
                          No other religions has that system, they have only some stories and moral codes.

                          So your assumptions are not correct.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Dreamer View Post
                            ufff you should really sit with some1 who is dying and you will see how petty your arguments are... you hell bent on waging war to spread your ideas and by association causing death... when you see death as I do on a daily basis you will see that life and preservation of it is more important
                            Who says that I want war. Islam should be spread by the sword of intellect and argumentation. But the Islamic system can be imposed on people, violence can only be used as a last resort.

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                            • #44
                              Most political systems argue that they have codes for everything so your nothing special in your claims try harder matey
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Maiwand View Post
                                Who says that I want war. Islam should be spread by the sword of intellect and argumentation. But the Islamic system can be imposed on people, violence can only be used as a last resort.
                                No non muslim state will adopt shariah as its code... stop dreaming... you will do al you can to spread it and that includes war, your mullahs are always banging on how 72 virgins await the martyrs in order to galvinise the masses...
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