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  • Religion or science: That is not the question

    The argument begins with this question: why should science and religion be kept separate? The answer depends on what you believe; however, let me present my case in favour of the separation of science and religion.

    Science is the study of nature and how it functions. The beauty of science is that when a theory is presented, scientists of that field do not immediately agree with the theoretical claims. Rather, they put the theory to intensive criticism and tests. In many cases, the theories are disproved on the basis of counter evidence or errors that are deduced. If the scientists are unable to produce counter evidence or sufficient flaws in the theory, then supportive evidence is analysed, keeping in mind that the plausibility of a theory depends on the number of supportive empirical evidences provided by researchers.

    In contrast, religion is entirely based on dogmas, which in most cases cannot be denied, questioned, critiqued or revoked.

    The real problem arises when religious scholars start claiming new scientific discoveries as something that had been ‘revealed’ to them thousands of years ago. However, this claim takes place only when the scientific discoveries are compatible with their held beliefs. If the new discoveries, regardless of their significance, are contradictory to their beliefs, the theory is out rightly opposed and most of the time its researchers are persecuted, banished, and shunned. For example, when Galileo supported the Copernican theory through his research and study, he was charged with heresy and was persecuted. He was later forced to withdraw his support for the theory in exchange of a less harsh prison sentence.

    From the time of Galileo’s death in 1641, it took the Catholic Church some 350 years until 1992 to acknowledge that Galileo was indeed correct in supporting the Copernican theory. For those 350 years, several generations were deliberately misinformed and their chances of researching and building on Galileo’s findings were greatly affected.

    However, Islam in this case, does not seem to overtly counter science since the history of scientific advancements in medieval Arabia is evident of this. It was more of the religious followers; the clerics, the leaders who were at certain times against scientific and rational thought. This notion is also supported by many modern historians, such as E G Browne, George Sarton, Sayili, and scientists such as Dr. Neil deGrass Tyson. They have made this case by blaming famous medieval Muslim theologians, Al-Ghazali and Al-Ashari, for causing the decline of rational thought in Arabia.

    However, the historians’ blame on theologians is not unjustified; al Ghazali in his book “The Decisive Criterion for Distinguishing Islam from Clandestine Unbelief” implied that in case of conflict between reason and revealed text, priority should be given to the former over the latter (al Ghazâlî 1961,195 = 2002, 112). Furthermore, while disputing with some of Avicenna’s (Bu Ali Sina) teachings, he added a fatwa at the end of another of his books, “Incoherence of the Philosophers”, declaring that everybody who teaches parts of Avicenna’s more controversial topics is an apostate and can be sentenced to death (al Ghazâlî 1997, 230).

    Although it is true that al Ghazali’s fatwa was not the only cause of scientific decline in medieval Arabia, there were political and economical factors, as well. However, when it comes to following a fatwa, the followers take it seriously, especially if the fatwa is coming from an authoritative figure such as, Imam al Ghazali.

    If anyone thinks that these things don’t happen in today’s day and age, they would be wrong, as more recently, there was a case of a British Imam’s attempt to reconcile the theory of evolution with Islam. The result of his attempt was catastrophic for him. He was stripped off of his Imamat, received death threats, was shunned from the community and, worst of all, he was called an apostate. All this happened because he claimed that the theory of evolution could be compatible with religion, but sadly he was not given a chance to explain his standpoint.

    As we are aware, overwhelming evidence supports the theory of evolution; however, since it is deemed contradictory to religious beliefs, it is outrightly opposed. Another example would be the opposition to stem cell research, details of which cannot be elaborated in this small space.

    I have only presented a few examples to show how religious arguments have interfered with scientific progress. History, however, is filled with instances which are detrimental to the progress of reason and rationality.

    Can you imagine where we would be if there were no religious interferences in scientific progress?

    It is high time for us to have a society that does not intertwine science and religion, as both these subjects deal with different aspects of life and must be approached separately.


  • #2
    Religion and science are kept separate in secular societies as they should be. Even in Islamic states I don't see religion and science intwined with each other.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DaMalakandGhar View Post
      In contrast, religion is entirely based on dogmas, which in most cases cannot be denied, questioned, critiqued or revoked.
      And then it goes on to talking about Islam. The thing you people constantly fail to see is that Islam is not running away from criticism, we welcome it, you automatically assume that Islam tries to deny certain things when Islam provides an explanation, when you ask questions on Islam without any respect for the Muslim your asking, in return your given abrupt responses to which you conclude that the abruptness is a sign that the Muslim doesnt want to be questioned, i have never come accross any question being dismissed by a Muslim if it is asked in a rightful knowledge-seeking way. The problem is not Islam, Religion or dogmas or atheists, the problem lies in all close minded people which are not seeking the truth but instead only jumping to ridicule somebody's way of life, Just take a look at some of the non-muslim members, perhapse yourself as a perfect example, where in some cases dont even have basic knowledge of something your so clearly against, your against Islam but dont have the courage to allow yourself to understand the essence of Islam, instead of 'give and take' or 'teach and learn' the non-muslims would rather only 'teach' from their own single minded perspective and flood the forum with anti-Islamic propaganda.
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      *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

      Originally posted by Karachi
      like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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      • #4
        you're completely deluded aren't you?

        Haven't you watched the videos YOU put up where Islamists make a mockery of western society while living in it?

        The atheists do also mock Islam sometimes but they are no worse or better than the Islamic extremists that mock western living in the same way

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        • #5
          "The problem is not Islam, Religion or dogmas or atheists, the problem lies in all close minded people"

          do you know the definition of 'all'? or do you really have to look it up in a dictionary. next time get your reading glasses out when you try to criticize my posts, save yourself from looking like an ass, youl have to do better than that.
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          *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

          Originally posted by Karachi
          like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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          • #6
            This seems to be a false dichotomy and also on faulty evidence. To have a legitimate debate on religion and its relation to science, relying on commentaries and ad-hoc perceptions of religion which were relayed long after the established doctrines and normative views of religion or religions would not demonstrate a case or create examples. In fact it is wholly inconsequential. To determine whether or not there is an intrinsic conflict or resolution is examining the tenets of religion or religions themselves and compare it to whether or not they are intrinsically in conflict with religion or a particular religion. Does the religion itself, i.e. the fundamental doctrines of said religion actually discourage or show disdain for the scientific method i.e. hypothesis,-experiment-observation trifecta which is the fulcrum behind scientific panorama. If not then that religion in particular cannot be said to be conflicting with science; no can the religion be said as intrinsically separate from scientific cognition.
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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