Your opinion on Deism and non intervening God?

[کیش]

Call me a nut-case, mentally Ill and dewana, but the time of Ad Dajjal than Jesus's arrival are near.

Then which of the favors of your lord will you deny?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It's called m-theory and gravitation mon lacklustre ami.

That doesn't really answer the question though since even if we surmise M-Theory, which has no experimental support none the less and quantum gravitation (we haven't found the graviton); it becomes an issue of infinite regression.

[roadrunner]

When you speak sense you may get in a debate edge.

M theory hasn't been proved. It's an explanation how the universe can create itself

[RevolutionThroughReason]

When you speak sense you may get in a debate edge.

M theory hasn't been proved. It's an explanation how the universe can create itself

You claim I didn't make sense and yet were capable of responding to it in appropriate context? Strange, that would usually happen when someone makes sense. Guess it was a coincidence eh?

None the less I get what M-Theory is, but the problem with the explanation is that it isn't a rigorous one, It does not in itself mute the involvement of a Progenitive Power.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It's not impossible that the universe created itself.
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well it is just like that cliche'; nothing is impossible, but that holds no relevance. We're going by the idea that based on the the conditions that are existing regarding the properties of the universe or the forces that organize and shape the universe, could they merely "just arise" based on the information we currently know.

[roadrunner]

You claim I didn't make sense and yet were capable of responding to it in appropriate context? Strange, that would usually happen when someone makes sense. Guess it was a coincidence eh?

None the less I get what M-Theory is, but the problem with the explanation is that it isn't a rigorous one, It does not in itself mute the involvement of a Progenitive Power.

Small phrases here and there.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Small phrases here and there.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

[DaMalakandGhar]

Sure; what I mean is that the Laws of the Universe weren't always as they were. There is a school of thought in physics which establishes that all the properties by which we identify matter, energy and the forces which in turn determine the laws of the universe were completely different. Namely, how could you for example have an entropic system when there is no determinable spatial-time variation. thus thermodynamics would have no coherence. The Laws were not "ready-made" in the sense that it merely went by an algorithmic process but they were constructed while the universe itself was. This is actually key in understanding things like Dark Matter/Dark Energy, because the rapid thermal expansion of the universe could have turned out very different and the early particles that meditate fundamental forces like strong nuclear force for example may not have existed and we'd have a totally different universe than what we witness.

My point being that as the universe grew, so did the Laws.

Which school of thought? How have they established it?

[roadrunner]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

Trying to keep it short so you might go away

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Which school of thought? How have they established it?

Actually I am glad you responded, before we get to this aspect of the discussion please respond to the question I asked you. It would only be prudent to proceed once that premise has been established.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Malakand still waiting on that response; I have to know that you know the subject matter before we can go on about it.

[badmash_khel]

Sure; what I mean is that the Laws of the Universe weren't always as they were. There is a school of thought in physics which establishes that all the properties by which we identify matter, energy and the forces which in turn determine the laws of the universe were completely different. Namely, how could you for example have an entropic system when there is no determinable spatial-time variation. thus thermodynamics would have no coherence. The Laws were not "ready-made" in the sense that it merely went by an algorithmic process but they were constructed while the universe itself was. This is actually key in understanding things like Dark Matter/Dark Energy, because the rapid thermal expansion of the universe could have turned out very different and the early particles that meditate fundamental forces like strong nuclear force for example may not have existed and we'd have a totally different universe than what we witness.

My point being that as the universe grew, so did the Laws.

Can you give some examples please?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Can you give some examples please?

yes , Thermodynamics

[badmash_khel]

yes , Thermodynamics

My grasp of Thermodynamics is not very strong so we take your word for it.

Does this imply then that God necessarily also has to intervene in human affairs such as favouring one side over the other, an example is parting the Red sea for isrealites to escape.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

My grasp of Thermodynamics is not very strong so we take your word for it.

Does this imply then that God necessarily also has to intervene in human affairs such as favouring one side over the other, an example is parting the Red sea for isrealites to escape.

Well what I am saying is that the idea of a "Deistic" God is somewhat internally conflicting. What I described doesn't really affirm the existence of a God either way, I think the issue of a Conscious Active/Involved Creator would involve more with information theory than cosmology, cosmology could be seen more as a subset of Information Theory.