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    Banned drinks: No Shezan, Pepsi at Punjab University

    LAHORE: “Coca Cola converted to Islam a year or two back apparently, but not the other beverages, well not yet”, says Khalid* laughing. “Shezan is manufactured by Ahmadis so we can neither sell the beverage nor their jams, and Pepsi is still a Jewish drink, so it is banned.”
    Khalid*, a canteen salesman at the new campus of Punjab University (PU) is referring to the unofficial ban on select beverages at the university campus by the the Islami Jamiat-e-Talba (IJT) — an ongoing protest that was formulated after the publishing of controversial Danish caricatures of the Prophet (PBUH) in 2005.

    The IJT, the student wing of the Jamat-e-Islami is known to interfere in the management of not just students affairs at Punjab University but the faculty as well. One duty the IJT assumes as its own is to control what is sold, where and to whom. Their control of such matters ensures that even while discussing regulations forced by the IJT on canteens, Khalid was scared of being seen speaking to this scribe or being overheard commenting against the IJT.

    For years only “Shandy Cola” was allowed to be sold on campus, a drink that students found “tasteless”. Shezan a local product was also banned by the IJT because the manufacturers were Ahmadis. This ban on beverages was partially lifted in 2008, however, canteen workers, owners and students say beverage distributors pay the IJT for permission to sell specific products.
    Javed Sami, Residential Officer Punjab University who is in charge of canteen contracts and what will be sold at the new campus claims “Shezan is not sold because it is not in demand any more. If you look around, many shops do not sell Shezan. That is why it is not available at the campus canteen.”
    The IJT cabinet’s new President Rai Haq Nawaz says “We just represent the students, and because Shezan is owned by Ahmadis, the students do not want it on campus and that is why we do not allow it.”
    Aside from banning beverages, the IJT also plays the role of moral police at PU. The reason why Muhammad Aslam* had to stop selling shawarmas at his tuck shop was because the IJT told him that “too many male and female students hang out” outside his shop and eating this food item was their excuse. Aslam, who has been running the tuck shop at PU’s new campus for 12 years says he could sense an ultimatum when given one from the IJT.
    Given that he had been roughed up and had his shop closed down on more than one occasion, Aslam was forced to stop sale of shawarmas. Aslam claims that the reason he was targeted was because he asked members of the Jamiat cabinet to return Rs 18,000 which they owed him.
    “They used the excuse of opposite sexes mingling to shut me up” said Aslam.
    Haroon*, a BS student and former IJT member says “I remember we as a group used to go to canteens and eat as much as we wanted to, then the group told the canteen workers that our Nazim would pay, but those payments were never made.”
    Haq Nawaz the IJT President refutes this. “We have to control the quality of food items being sold, so sometimes we even close down the canteens which we think are not meeting the standards,” he said.
    To this end, a “Food and Price Control Committee” has been set up by the IJT. The price list with the IJT logo, signed by the current chairman of the committee Nauman Zafar, an IJT member and student at Law College is pasted outside every canteen, tuck shop and cafeteria on campus including those in the hostels.
    The IJT says this price control committee is formed by their organisation, the students, and canteen workers, but the PU administration denies this.
    Sami says “the IJT is lying, they are trained to lie and I say this on authority that the committee is formed by us and our representative heads it.” He adds that “the ban on beverages was lifted by the current VC as well.”
    These official and unofficial authorities at the campus add to the woes of the canteen owners, who say that in order to open a canteen, they speak to the Residential Officer and then to the Jamiat as they need the permission of both.
    Hanif* who works at a hostel canteen says he goes to the IJT for increasing the rates of food items or cooked dishes.
    “We go to the Jamiat cabinet and request them to increase the charges because we go in loss or end up making sub-standard food. Sometimes they listen to us.” He confirms that “the canteen owners have at times paid the IJT to let them sell a particular food item.”
    Haq Nawaz rejects this claim. “we are not involved in any kind of business on campus, it is part of our organization’s rules.”
    Student opinion
    It is not just the ban on select beverages, but also the control that the IJT has over administrative affairs such as canteen food which students are bothered by.
    Ahmad* a student of (BS Hons) Bio Tech says “there should not be a ban on products because of a religious perspective, nor should there be a ban on Shezan because it is produced by so and so”.
    Muhammad Shoaib wants the freedom to choose what he wants to eat or buy. A recent graduate of Mass Communication, Shoaib says “I don’t like that I am not allowed to buy the brands that I want because there is an organization of students, a group of thugs which does not get along with them (the product distributors) because they do not pay them the extortion money.”
    Female students while complaining about the lack of choice at canteens also find the segregated canteens an inconvenience. Sehrish Mehmood says when she goes to the boys only canteen, the workers refuse to sell them anything.
    Fatima Mushtaq, a student (BS Honors) in the department of Philosophy says they get caught between the VC administration and the IJT. “If they want a segregated canteen why do we even study in a co-ed institute? Why can’t the university decide who will make such decisions for us, the administration or the IJT.”
    *Name has been changed to protect the identity of the individual

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  • #2
    IJT means Islami Jamiat-i-Talba. It is the student wing of Jumat-i-Islami a religious political party that follows the ideology of Maulana Madududi. It is a part of international Muslim brotherhood or Akhwanul Muslimin.

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    • #3
      Its sad and pathetic that these Mullah's are in total control of the Country. However I would like to add that it is also our fault, us the liberals.

      For years the liberals have just been into their lavish lives ignoring the political situation. Most liberals just don't want to play a part in politics. They don't care even if Pakistan went to down the drain and destroyed itself. This has left a vacuum which the Mullah's have taken control and power. Where the liberals are unwilling to take control and take part the Mullah's have been more than willing to impose their terroristic laws and tyrannical ideals.

      We are all responsible for the mess we are in today. Some people just blame the ISI or army. Of course it was a mistake to blunder into Afghanistan in the 1980's. We had no business in that war but we were supporting it. Pashtuns on this side of the border were supporting it to free their 'Afghan brothers' yet we Pakistanis stayed silent when the Taliban were butchering Afghans after they took control.

      Everyone is to blame. None of us can escape responsibility. The Pashtuns, the liberals, the patriots everyone. We did this and now we are suffering the consequences of our poor policies.
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      • #4
        Fizzy drinks are unhealthy anways so this is actually one of the few good thing these fanatics have done. well done

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rafael
          "Liberals" are merely the waste-product of almost a 100 years of the Beast's rule (colonization). Nothing more.

          You want a stable Pakistan? Stick to Pakistani and Islamic values/culture, don't follow the self-destructive ways of the Beast, i.e. Western Civilization. They may seem attractive but then again, the devil always is.

          I sincerely hope you understand what I mean.

          مننه
          If it were not for the Western Civilization, you would not be using the Internet-which is one of the thousands of contributions of Western Civilization to the world and humanity- and post on this public forum disseminating misanthropic views to the four corners of the world.

          But who cares. If a part of humanity with minds retarded due to miillenia of adherence to an intellectually stagnating ideology to think objectively, rationally, positively, and creatively is hell-bent going backward in time to stone-age, there is the rest of humanity to extend the frontiers of knowledge, conquer the outer space, and better the lot of humanity overall.
          Last edited by DaMalakandGhar; 03-03-2012, 12:22 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DaMalakandGhar View Post
            If it were not for the Western Civilization, you would not be using the Internet-which is one of the thousands of contributions of Western Civilization to the world and humanity- and post on this public forum disseminating the misanthropic views to the four corners of the world.

            But who cares. If a part of humanity with mind retarded due to miillenia of adherence to an intellectually stagnating ideology to think objectively, rationally, positively, and creatively, there is the rest of humanity-about six billions-to extend the frontiers of knowledge, conquer the outer space, and conquer the lot of humanity overall.
            If they're so superior, then why can't they beat shepherds in flip flops ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DaMalakandGhar View Post
              If it were not for the Western Civilization, you would not be using the Internet-which is one of the thousands of contributions of Western Civilization to the world and humanity- and post on this public forum disseminating misanthropic views to the four corners of the world.

              But who cares. If a part of humanity with minds retarded due to miillenia of adherence to an intellectually stagnating ideology to think objectively, rationally, positively, and creatively is hell-bent going backward, there is the rest of humanity to extend the frontiers of knowledge, conquer the outer space, and better the lot of humanity overall.
              This argument can go the other way around as well. Computer science is mainly based on Algorithims. Does that ring a bell?

              Algorithim is named after muslim persian mathematician, Al khwarizimi.

              so without eastern muslim mathematician's contribution, there would be no internet and computer science in the first place.

              But I am not against everything western, western contribution to humanity can not be denied. We should take good things both from the west and the east.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
                This argument can go the other way around as well. Computer science is mainly based on Algorithims. Does that ring a bell?

                Algorithim is named after muslim persian mathematician, Al khwarizimi.
                This is called "pa prado ghwalo poskai achawal", which "God's only chosen people" are in the habit of doing unfortunately. Algorithms have existed since humans evolved into intelligent beings and formalized/detailed the way to do things and describe processes. The process of adding two numbers is also an algorithm invented much before the prophet (PBUH) of Islam was born.

                What Al-Khawarzmi or others did was too rudimentary even 0.00005% not enough to build a complex science like Computer Science on. For Computer Science, one should thank two Westerners i.e. Allan Turing and Paul Neuman both secular and liberal (one was even a gay) not to mention thousands of others that extended it to its current limits.

                Which Muslim scientist are you going to attribute the aero-nautical or genetic science to by the way?
                Last edited by DaMalakandGhar; 03-03-2012, 01:04 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DaMalakandGhar View Post
                  This is called "pa prado ghwalo poskai achawal", which "God's only chosen people" are in the habit of doing unfortunately. Algorithms have existed since humans evolved into intelligent beings and formalized/detailed the way to do things and describe processes. The process of adding two numbers is also an algorithm invented much before the prophet (PBUH) of Islam was born.

                  What Al-Khawarzmi or others did was too rudimentary even 0.00005% not enough to build a complex science like Computer Science on. For Computer Science, one should thank two Westerners i.e. Allan Turing and Paul Neuman both secular and liberal (one was even a gay).

                  Which Muslim scientist are you going to attribute the aero-nautical or genetic science to by the way?
                  I never said the idea of adding numbers didn't exist before Al khawrizimi, you are assuming things. Is what he did was "rudimentary" as you put it then its quite strange that Alogorithim is named after him. don't you think? Algorithim is a latin corruption of his name.

                  I have no problem in accepting western contribution to humanity. Indeed I recognize that muslims borrowed alot of knowledge from Greeks, Indians, Persians and others. To deny that is stupid.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rafael
                    Do we really need these "technological advances", for which they have destroyed half the planet?
                    Visit any third world country specially Muslim countries and see how parasitically are "the people of Iman" living on natural resources because the fatalistic ideology the mullah preaches states that "Khudai sawab kai" and "chai somra rawrai shai aghumra rawrai". Filthy, noisy, dusty cities and towns can be seen every where in these countries. Uncontrolled expansion of population centers has lead to shrinking of agricultural land. Non-creativity and non-productivity in science and technology is fast diminishing energy sources. Deforestation is an example.

                    Compare this with the West and the rest of the civilized world to see where is greater sensitivity for environmental protection, preservation, and recreation. Who by the way are the pioneers of environmental science?
                    Last edited by DaMalakandGhar; 03-03-2012, 01:09 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
                      Fizzy drinks are unhealthy anways so this is actually one of the few good thing these fanatics have done. well done
                      I agree with you on this, these drinks cause so many health problems down the line, this is the only good thing these guys have done

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                      • #12
                        speaking of putting one's priorities in to prospective...what a joke.

                        it's starts from depriving a population from pepsi and ends at a point where people are stoned and buried alive for having opinions other than that being enforced. why be so pathetic? is there no other way for one to strengthen their faith in God?? all the injustice wiped off? have all the hungry been fed?
                        people are being raped left and right, generations are robbed off of their right to education and a proper future but all is well because pepsi has been banned.
                        maybe muslims would be more enthusiastic about islam if it was not made to appear like a joke and muslims not treated like a bunch of 9 year olds by fellow muslims.

                        I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                        non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DaMalakandGhar View Post
                          Visit any third world country specially Muslim countries and see how parasitically are "the people of Iman" living on natural resources because the fatalistic ideology the mullah preaches states that "Khudai sawab kai" and "chai somra rawrai shai aghumra rawrai". Filthy, noisy, dusty cities and towns can be seen every where in these countries. Uncontrolled expansion of population centers has lead to shrinking of agricultural land. Non-creativity and non-productivity in science and technology is fast diminishing energy sources. Deforestation is an example.

                          Compare this with the West and the rest of the civilized world to see where is greater sensitivity for environmental protection, preservation, and recreation. Who by the way are the pioneers of environmental science?
                          the west has the 'greater sensitivity'. lol. about environmental issues, beacause we have stuffed up, polluted and wrecked, most of it already.
                          that is what i love about america, they make the mistakes first, then come up with the solutions. ironic isn't it?
                          don't brag about positive aspects of the western 'civilisation' and ignore how they got there or how the smaller countries are forced to conform, whether they want to or not.

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                          • #14
                            when you give an example of Al khwarizm it's not a good one because he probably would have laughed if the university he was in banned something like pepsi.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Al Hanif View Post
                              If they're so superior, then why can't they beat shepherds in flip flops ?

                              With 5 pressed buttons, say good bye to mecca, madina, baghdad, cairo and damascus

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