I dont Support Sharia

[Perseveranze]

according to sharia, this woman should be rotting under 6 ton of dirt and stones. no fatwas declared over her head. no death threats, nothing. instead of setting up an example for fellow muslimas, she struts around in whatever she pleases, showing her bra in public, kissing random men on the cheek and she is the princess of saudi arabia.
on the contrary, the sharia and islam that is being enforced on muslim women of afghanistan is the one where they are whipped like a herd of cows for wearing shoes that show their ankles and are only allowed to peep and squint through their burqas while accompanied by male relatives.




why go all the way to afghanistan to spread islam when you have amazing opportunities to do the same thing in your own country?

Why don't you learn a bit about Shariah?

You couldn't execute this woman, since that would be taking the laws into your own hands, something Shariah doesn't permit.

If she did that in an Islamic state though, then she'd face a fine or jail sentence.

She's only executed if she cheated on her husband with another man. And that's based on witnesses, self confession or pregnancy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

she can receive ta'wzir for kissing strange male. and ta'wzirat can be as severe as a Hadd

[IamDZJ]

Why don't you learn a bit about Shariah?

You couldn't execute this woman, since that would be taking the laws into your own hands, something Shariah doesn't permit.

If she did that in an Islamic state though, then she'd face a fine or jail sentence.

She's only executed if she cheated on her husband with another man. And that's based on witnesses, self confession or pregnancy.

so she can go to a different country, dress up like that, have her pictures taken and then come back to saudi and put on her abaya. all is well? she can kiss men, shake hands with them and whatnot but as long as she doesn't admit to cheating on her husband and is not pregnant then everything is alright?

that is a very interesting version of sharia. how come that version is never being enforced in third world countries??

[IamDZJ]

whenever someone pulls out a fault at your own doorstep, "they are puppets of the west". well why don't you make them proper muslims first? why don't you free them from this slavery??
hamza (an ordinary citizen) is about to be executed because he dared to think out loud and these people walk around, all they get is that they are puppets of the west. you cowards only have the desire to reform and impose your ideas on those who can't demolish your existence with the blink of an eye.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Haha why are those anti-Islamic people showing pictures of a branch of the Al-Saud family that is not even fully Arab? Who do they represent? Do you even know who this is? They are puppets of the west and those people are useless corrupt and evil people without any significance in the Ummah. This Waleed is a well known for his Un-Islamic behaviour and parties in the French Rivera.

what does her being fully or half Arab have to do with it

didn't Nabi(saw) say "leysa tafruq min al 3arabin wa al 3ajmin ill taqwa?

You're not even truly an Arab yourself; you're Iraqi, which means you are must3arab.

[IamDZJ]

the people i refer to as being arabs are not arabs because they are not "fully arabs" but you who just happened to have lived in iraq are okay with calling yourself an iraqi.
it's not about how pure of an arab or an iraqi you are, it's about what you represent and what you identify yourself as.

[ScimitarXEdge]

What do you think it has to do with it?

This clueless friend of you, Dazahroom said that these two puppet Al-Saud are Arabs and represent Arabs. This is wrong since both are not even fully Arabs and do not represent anyone but themselves.

Banū Hāshim not Arab? Now I have heard all from this American puppet.

I call myself Iraqi since my father's side of the family has lived in Iraq since the Abbasid Khilafa but originally the Banū Hāshim are from al-Higaz.

But why do you care? You are American born and not even Arab and do not speak Arabic.

You're not Banu Hashim and yes they do represent Arabs; even if they're only half because their Paternal side is Arab; what percentage of Arab doesn't matter, what counts is what they represent.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Haha and you are not Pashtun or half-Yemeni as you claim.

Are you left without any arguments?

You are clueless as always. In Arab culture ancestry is crucial. Therefore non-Arabic marriages are not encouraged and tribalism plays a huge role.

How do they represent Arabs?

According to your twisted logic only African Yemenis are Arabs?

And you must be crazy to think that a so-called "royal" family can represent Arabs, especially a branch that is more non-Arab than Arab.

Great logic from you yet again.

It is like saying Karzai is the face of all Afghans or in your case Taliban.

Right my father immigrated from Disneyland or something. LOL. You could be right, I'm a Ghilzai Pashtun and Ghilzai were originally Turkish, but we adopted Pashto after Sultan Mahmoud Ghaznawi. At least I can admit that unlike you who are so ashamed of being a must3arab you invented some imaginary genealogy for yourself. My mom is Yemeni, she's Ba3alawiyah who are more pure Sayyids than you are since they're from both Hassani and Hussaini at once. You claim you're just a Hassani lol

Arab ancestral links are only crucial when it comes with MALE Paternal lines, not MATERNAL lines; That's why Saudi women are barred from marrying a Non-Saudi but Saudi men can marry who they want.

Don't be intellectually dishonest, women don't count when it comes to paternal links. That's why your dad married a Souri, who is ALSO Must3arab.

Face it, the Saudis represent Arabs, not necessarily ALL Arabs but they're a shame to Arabs. Stop living in denial.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Posting Wikipedia's Tribes in Iraq doesn't mean you're those tribes it also tells me you only know of the tribes because you read Wikipedia and just an imposter; you're from people who used to worship Marduk, you yourself even claimed you're a native Mesopotamian which means you're not an arab.



How are they non Arab? Their father is Arab, which makes them Arab. If they're not Arab neither are you

as for my lineage you nothing about Pashtuns while I know everything about Arabs and who are must3arab(most Iraqis) and who are the real Arabs (Yemenis)

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/boo....aspx#Location and Nature of Arab Tribes

Arab Tribes
Arab kinfolks have been divided according to lineage into three groups:

Perishing Arabs: The ancient Arabs, of whose history little is known, and of whom were ‘Ad, Thamûd, Tasam, Jadis, Emlaq, and others.
Pure Arabs: Who originated from the progeny of Ya‘rub bin Yashjub bin Qahtan. They were also called Qahtanian Arabs.

Arabized Arabs: Who originated from the progeny of Ishmael. They were also called ‘Adnanian Arabs.

The pure Arabs – the people of Qahtan – originally lived in Yemen and comprised many tribes, two of which were very famous:

so Yemenis are the real Arabs not you, stop posing.

[ScimitarXEdge]

yeah yeah yeah if you're not Yemeni, there's no way to prove that you're actually genuinely Arab, Yemen is where the Arabs come from so Yemen is where the true Arabs are. Now go cry.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You're fooling yourself; if Yemenis are Africans that means you're saying Arabs were originally African because look at where Yemen is it's close proximity to Africa. So by logic that would mean that true Arabs are Africans/ See how your argument fails

North Africans are not Arabs neither are most Iraqis; Only Yemenis, Omanis and other Khalegis, some of the Syrians and Iraqis are Arab but they're a minority.

You're not an Arab in summary.

[ScimitarXEdge]

the Holy Qur'an doesn't say anything about Qahtan

[IamDZJ]

could the two of you kindly settle down your differences elsewhere?? this is pashtun forums not arab forums. thank you.

[Karachi]

Either you are deliberately acting like a fool or you are not 35 years old as you claim.

Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Gulf States, Yemen are ANCIENT Arabs. I don't know if you are ware of this but ancient Arab tribes lived in all those countries 3000 years ago. The first mentioning of Arabs was by the Assyrians (also Semitics like Arabs) who ruled Iraq 2800 years ago. They discribed that they lived in the Iraqi and Syrian deserts already at that time.

Yes, Banu Hashim (Qurayš) are not Arabs. This nonsense must be right since Scimitar on pashtunforum.com says this.

According to the HOLY QURAN AND ARABIC HISTORY the Qathan ARABS and Adnani ARABS descend from Prophet Nuh (ra) which means both are related.

Basically according to your logic, only Yemen is Arabic which is nonsense and you know this very well.

For to very big reasons:

First: The REAL Arabs are long gone. I aks you once again. Have you ever heard about the العرب البائدة

Second of all. Most Yemenis today all have African ancestry and very few are Arabs by ethnicity anymore. You know very well how many Somalis live in Yemen and other Semitic peoples from East Africa.

I agree that most Arabs in North Africa are not Arabs originally (especially in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Sudan, Egypt etc.) as they are mostly either Berbers, Africans (in Sudans case) or Coptics in Egypt. But this does not matter.

Todays Yemenis are as much Arabs as Saudis, Iraqis, Jordanians,Syrians, Omanis and Gulf Arabs are.

You know it I know it so let us stop discussing this stupidity. You are 35 years if I am not mistaken while I am 20 years old. We should both be able to behave better.

I say that most Yemenis of today are Africans of ancestry which is true. Have you ever been in Yemen and seen how must look like? Not very Arabic.

You are referring to the العرب البائدة who are long gone as you know.

They dont look african at all. only some african influence exists on the coast of yemen in Aden, but thats about it. The capital Sanaa is the most pure yemeni area and all the people living there are pure arabs.

The other countries you seem to be mentioning like Syria or even Iraq are actually the mixed ones, the Hejaz and Yemen are mostly pure arab. stop lying

also genetic testing has clearly shown that hardly any african influences exists in Yemen

The assyrian people or the Levant areas are actually mostly non arabs, they use to speak different languages before arabs conquered the area, thats why even today a Lebanese or a Syrian person looks so different from a Saudi or gulf arab

[ScimitarXEdge]

actually I read that Mitochondrial DNA studies show African links. but these links are ancient, meaning before the 2000 years ago, which means Ethnogenesis of Arabs initially included some African blood. But honestly somewhere along the line we're ALL from Africa so what's the big woop?