Pashtun First Or Muslim First?

[badmash_khel]

Instead of that lame comment, give me one rational argument in support of death punishment for whoever reverts from Islam. Isn't it equally barbaric if not more than the laws of Pashtunwali? What about enslaving the women folk of defeated enemy and converting them into sex girls and women?

One argument that is given in support of slave-girl practice in Muslim morality is that, these women would not have anyone to feed them. Would not it be more noble and brave had these innocent women given a choice to be free than force them to live a life of indignity and humuliation?

Before I refute your allegations you have to prove that Islam supports the death penalty for apostacy from authoratative sources.

Regarding slave girls and slavery. Ottoman caliphate already forbade slavery hundreds of years ago while european colonialists were busy inslaving africans. In the absence of a an islamic caliph, no one can have slave girls resulting from wars. Only girls captured from lawful wars under the islamic caliph can be kept as slaves. Even then it is recommended to free the slaves for ransom or for free. The status of a slave in Islam is different to that of slave in other societies. The slaves has proper rights. Since the last ottoman caliphate band slavery, there is no point discussing this further.

so do you think women and children who are left behind after wars should be left to their own devices so they become prostitutes and used and abused by men? Isn't marriage and being a so called slave under islamic terms and conditions better for the girls than wandering alone in this evil world, where they can turn to be pornographic actresses and prostitutes?

You can read this link further to clear this matter of slavery in modern age.

Sex with slaves and women's rights

Last, why not non-Muslim countries impose special tax on their Muslim citizens because Muslim morality has recommended one i.e., jazya for non-Muslims in their societies as well. What you do comes around.

Its not a special tax, jizya is given because the islamic state is responsible for the security of the non believers. they only pay for that security and the facilities they use. Muslims also have to pay Zakat and more taxes such as khums which can be more than what non believers pay. I have to pay many taxes in the west as well. Is that unfair. no i don't think so. I pay for the facilities i use.

First study these subjects in detail and gain some knowledge from mainstream traditional sunni school of law then make accusations.

[khushal]

Instead of that lame comment, give me one rational argument in support of death punishment for whoever reverts from Islam. Isn't it equally barbaric if not more than the laws of Pashtunwali? What about enslaving the women folk of defeated enemy and converting them into sex girls and women?

One argument that is given in support of slave-girl practice in Muslim morality is that, these women would not have anyone to feed them. Would not it be more noble and brave had these innocent women given a choice to be free than force them to live a life of indignity and humuliation?

Last, why not non-Muslim countries impose special tax on their Muslim citizens because Muslim morality has recommended one i.e., jazya for non-Muslims in their societies as well. What you do comes around.

death penalty is only in special cases much like treason is in secular societies.
The tax is protection tax. in secular societies you must pledge alliagience to the state and pledge that if called upon you must be willing to protect that state with your life. muslims did not make this mandatory like secular societies do in order to get citizenship.
sex slaves, I have no idea what you are talking about. when did muslims use women as sex slaves.

[IamDZJ]

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[Badlun]

You are wrong, pashtunwali and islam do clash on certain aspects.
1)divorce, pashtunwali denies this while Islam allows it.
2)Pashtunwali preaches badal as obligatory while Islam preaches mercy and forgiveness
3)pashtunwali gives inheretance to male members only while Islam gives it to both sexes
etc, there are much harsher pashtunwali laws I can list.

you are either extremely incompetent or you lie to promote your egenda. It is unethical of you to promote the harsher pashtunwali against the much more merciful Islam.

Islamism(not the religion) also talks of Qisas, qital, killing all infidels, amputation of limbs, stoning to death, lashing etc
Pashtunwali also talks of Nanawatey , melmastya, mina, wafa, nang, khegarha, gham khadi, las niwa, tapos pukhtana, tla ratla, dala para, hujra jumat, mla tarh, mrasta, jarga etc
the harsh treatment of women is not Pashtunwali but the influence of radical Islam. Before Islam Pashtun men and women were equal as even today you can see in some rural areas where Islam has not reached in its radical form.

[Prince_Pukhtun]

Always Pashtun first and the rest later.

Pashtuns were never born into this world as Muslims, they were conquered by Turks and Arabs to become Muslim.

Since most Pashtuns are Muslims, I would prefer to them to follow the native indigenous Islam not the Saudi Arab version of Ibn Wahab.

i agree with this

especially the bit about saudi arab version of ibn wahab



but people always assume a pashtun is a good muslim so both go hand in hand. a great compliment of race and religion

[randolph85]

pashtuns were born into this world as a fluke, a biological roll of the dice. any idiot can be born into anything. belief is beyond chances.

if soldat was born an african bushman, he'd be making horrible youtube videos with paint on his face and a rag on his junk. if he were a irishman, he would be making videos about how he hates the brits.

he was born into these political climates. islam is a choice. every muslim on earth is a muslim by choice.

so if u want to uphold the race god made u before ur belief in god, go ahead. just be prepared to look stupid.

[Gulalai]

the obvious answer to this thread is Muslim first, everyone knows that. But even then, a lot of people forget...

[khushal]

Islamism(not the religion) also talks of Qisas, qital, killing all infidels, amputation of limbs, stoning to death, lashing etc
Pashtunwali also talks of Nanawatey , melmastya, mina, wafa, nang, khegarha, gham khadi, las niwa, tapos pukhtana, tla ratla, dala para, hujra jumat, mla tarh, mrasta, jarga etc
the harsh treatment of women is not Pashtunwali but the influence of radical Islam. Before Islam Pashtun men and women were equal as even today you can see in some rural areas where Islam has not reached in its radical form.

Those are laws and punishments when a crime is committed. Islam preaches forgiveness than qisas, pashtunwali makes qisas mandatory.

I never said it clashes on all aspects, I said they clash on certain aspects.
When were pashtun men and women equal. Pashtunn women are considered property of men.

[Old School Killiwal]

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