What do muslim liberals think about?

[Karachi]

I have a question for liberal muslims, what do they think about the lack of morals in liberal western societies?

[graveyardofempires]

why do you care?

[Karachi]

Let me make myself clear, I know there are lots of good things in western societies, and this is the reason I am living here. However we should also focus on negative things in societies also. Just like muslim countries should focus on the horrible things happening there in the name of Islam and are not part of Islam

I am not coming here to criticize every thing in the west, but I am just choosing one aspect of their society (lack of morals) which may affect us, maybe our kids in the future if we stay here in the west.

[Al Hanif]

well, aren't you a liberal muslim yourself ?

[Karachi]

well, aren't you a liberal muslim yourself ?

no not at all, but i am also not radical(terrorist minded) like you either. I am in the middle, I want to keep balance.

[Al Hanif]

no not at all, but i am also not radical(terrorist minded) like you either. I am in the middle, I want to keep balance.

since when did I preached terrorism ? watch your mouth

you are not in the middle, you think you are in the middle, different things

[graveyardofempires]

Karachi seems to be extremely confused.
when he first came here he started badmouthing Afghanistan and Afghans and was against pashtun unity and now he wants us to take him serious and he also claims to be an Afghan and also in the middel path with his pakistani entertainment or lollywood thread.

[Karachi]

Karachi seems to be extremely confused.
when he first came here he started badmouthing Afghanistan and Afghans and was against pashtun unity and now he wants us to take him serious and he also claims to be an Afghan and also in the middel path with his pakistani entertainment or lollywood thread.

stop making up stuff

[Karachi]

since when did I preached terrorism ? watch your mouth

you are not in the middle, you think you are in the middle, different things

well the way you talk is defiantly very radical. Also I try to be in the middle path, no body is 100%

But I wont call myself liberal or radical. I am some where in the middle, perhaps not exactly in the middle, but some where near the middle point.

[graveyardofempires]

^
didnt you say that the problem is the border (what border) with afghanistan and not India and said that Afghans are your enemies?

please dont lie

[Karachi]

^
didnt you say that the problem is the border (what border) with afghanistan and not India and said that Afghans are your enemies?

please dont lie

you are taking it out of context. I only said that as a reaction to much more horrible things that were said regarding pakistanis in the most racist manners, it was a heated debate.

[graveyardofempires]

you are taking it out of context. I only said that as a reaction to much more horrible things that were said regarding pakistanis in the most racist and filthy manners.

o really
it seems you are taking being a muslim and Islam out of context.
even though im not an expert on islam but i must say the way you view muslims and islam seems to be affected by mostly fox news types of media.

[Karachi]

^ no it doesn't

Islam has my utter most respect, i have never said anything bad against it why would I?

As for muslims yes i have criticized them in the past for different reasons, but that criticism has never been because of Islam, it has been because of their behaviors and what they do

[graveyardofempires]

^ no it doesn't

Islam has my utter most respect, i have never said anything bad against it why would I?

As for muslims yes i have criticized them in the past for different reasons, but that criticism has never been because of Islam, it has been because of their behaviors and what they do

nothing wrong with criticising muslims.

you must also sometimes criticise yourself.

[Karachi]

^ yes you too

I am actually always open to self critism because we all make mistakes, no human is perfect, so yes every body should Analyze themselves so they could become better human beings and better muslims, Islam also always focuses on this, which is (jihad) against yourself(nafs)