Pak-Afghan confederation

[Punjabi]

^When this luffy guy calls Pashtunh parasite its oke, but whem Amir says something he suddenly racist, you are the one biased and racist.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Barakzaiabdali, why are you so worreid, the Quetta Shura is intact, and I am sure Mullah Zaeef, the over weight begger, is having a good time making money on Al Jazeera interviews.

If he disliked Pakistan so much, and got a Jew to write his book, why didnt he address these concerns when he sipping his chai while his belly grew due to the massive amounts of chat masala he ate in Islamabad?

Its sad you cant see, that Talibs were nothing in the eyes of Pakistan and continue to be beggers that they are, your telling me, the Taliban were independent? dont make me laugh!

Your hero Taliban couldnt even use a telephone let alone dial a number. Pakistan ISI owned the Taliban just as much as the Taliban fought for their interests.

Mullah Zaeef was nothing but a mere instrument for the Pakistanis to install as a reasoned individual. He was a Islamist stooge of the ISI and should be lucky that nobody has put a bullet into his fat stomach and have him die of loss of too much body fat.

I cant seem to understand why you cant comprehend the fact that Pakistan sold out some elements of the Taliban because they couldnt care less of the trash they created and support to this day?

Why do you sit there expecting sane minded people to accept your view the Taliban were some what special?

They brought Afghanistan way way way backward, and I find it very hard to see a well educated person such as you sit there and support such vile trash?

Its amazing, absolutely amazing, no matter how much one provides evidence, sources and litrature about the Taliban, even the child training camps to become suicide bombing, the stoning of women and the attacks on officials, still there is people out there who sit there expecting sane minded people to accept their deluded views.

The Taliban's god father Maulana Sami ul Haq, is linked with the ISI and the Pakistani Army, and has openly stated he is a Proud Pakistani many times on Press TV and AL Jazeera, and how he supports the Afghan Taliban.

Its a pity to see Barakzaiabdali still support the Taliban, or maybe you have other motives.

Soldat I told you the case. It all rests simply on what the rural people want and who they are, and the fact that they are the masses, as professed even by AFG21 in his quotes I posted.

If a jew wrote Zaeef's bio, that should make you all the more happy as its not ISI produced and published. Its tale rings true.

On the one hand you have the dog Najib and his predecessors that mule Amin and his donkey friend before him who killed rural people over idiot land reforms and idiot social reforms by force.

The rural people have the right to progress as they wish. Mullah Omar was one of them and remains one of them. As Dr Kakar noted in his writings about them:

"In reality, the traditional way of life in villages has changed little by Taliban's rule. The situation of Afghans in the countryside controlled by the Taliban has improved because of increased peace and security, giving them the opportunity to rebuild after two decades of war."

http://www.institute-for-afghan-stud...ntro_kakar.htm

Yet the folks you want me to support, i.e. Esmat Muslim, Karzai, Najib all did damage to their people and killed these poor people for game.

The False Muj commanders like Sherzai the Khaar are the same story.

And Soldat, its not support or lack of support. The historical trajectory I advocate would, in my opinion lead to a stable Afghanistan and a progressive one over time, versus one that will be the product of blow black, like Uzbekistan or Tajikistan.

From AFG21 previously:

"I think that all Afghans are against this acupation, they only difrence is that some want a difrent resistantce than the taliban, we have to look at our history and see, when the russian where in Afghanistan peopel didn't care who the person against the russian were, if they were against them they were given money and weapons, but most peopel didn't realise that those peopel the so called "mujhahidin" wanted only power and money, becuase the same "mujhahidin" who were against the Kafir USSR are now sitting and letting 100 difrent Kafir nation in to Afghanistan. And now you peopel say it doesn't matter what the taliban are doing or what they have done in the past, they are against the accupiers so they are good. But if the Americans leave and the Taliban take power a lot of peopel are afraid that they would bring the same rule like they once did in the 90's. And some say the rural peopel are in favor, afcours they are in favor of taliban they don't know any better, they have the same mentality, like women is not allowed to go to work or to school. We peopel who have traveld to the WEst and have seen the world must realise that Taliban is not the solution. I am only pro taliban if they respect human rights and not do the same mistakes like in the past. But there is no gaurantee that they wouldn't do it.

So if some Afghans don't like taliban that doesn't mean that they love Americans and NATO, it is just the way taliban is fighting and what they did in the past. Because of that peopel have suspicion."

What annoyed Obama about Mullah Omar

"The bigest problem whith Afghanistan is. Is that each time when Afghanistan gets a chance to develope or to change, our neighbours manipulate this rural peopel and set them against our goverment. They manipulate them to think that how they leave now is the only good way, not that they say to them be extrime they are extrime, the mindset of our rural peopel didn't change since 1929. I know what I have said in that other post. I have leaved in Khost in a village, I know how rural peopel are. Like when Amanullah Khan wanted to devolope Afghanistan. England manipulated them to raise against him, to say that he is a kafir and wants to destroy Islam. But we all know that is noncense becuase his Laws were all based on Sharia, only some were not really Islamic. Becuase of his deprature Afghanistan was frozen in time. Only the cities changed and also the cities where majority were Farsiwan, they had some contact whithe the modern world. In the 70s the qhalk and parchamies were not the most honest or the most good peopel on this planet, but they were the reaction to this 50 years of sleeping. They wanted Afghanistan to wake up and to devolope, But again the rural mass didn;t want that. The rural mass was not stronger than the goverment now, the goverment could have controled them but our neighbours saw that if Afghanistan become strong this will be not so good for there countries. Pakistan didn´t want to give the pashtun lands to Afghanistan and Iran didn´t want to have a secular Commie like country as aneighbour. So they gave wapons and money to them. This kind of thing is now whith Taliban they where traind in Pakistan recived money from the US/Arabs/Pakis to fight and weaken us. I know that our chance to have a secular goverment is gone. But even if there will come an Islamic based goverment that can alowe the peopel to devolope and after time to change and become a better country, I would accept that. The problems where actually not completly whith the rurals. Most of the modern Afghan leaders wanted to change to fast, and you are right about that we have to change our country in our own way, but taliban don't want any change.
I am just sick and tired of Taliban and there stupidity, there waghshie way of live, I want culture, education, devolopment. I want that when peopel think of Afghanistan they would think about a beautiful country whith smart and educated peopel in stead of bearded apes who thinks that if you watch tv,listen to music, alowe women in public space whitout a burqa, waire jins or other western clothes, its a schame and haram. And do you know way the rural peopel and taliban have so much in comon, they are both besiwad and folow more old cultural habits than Islam. And culture must change. Pashtunwali is not writen in stone, Pashtunwali is not din, like any onter culture if its not gona evolve and change whith time it will be destoyd and forgoten.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Barakzaiabdali, why are you so worreid, the Quetta Shura is intact, and I am sure Mullah Zaeef, the over weight begger, is having a good time making money on Al Jazeera interviews.

If he disliked Pakistan so much, and got a Jew to write his book, why didnt he address these concerns when he sipping his chai while his belly grew due to the massive amounts of chat masala he ate in Islamabad?

Its sad you cant see, that Talibs were nothing in the eyes of Pakistan and continue to be beggers that they are, your telling me, the Taliban were independent? dont make me laugh!

Your hero Taliban couldnt even use a telephone let alone dial a number. Pakistan ISI owned the Taliban just as much as the Taliban fought for their interests.

Mullah Zaeef was nothing but a mere instrument for the Pakistanis to install as a reasoned individual. He was a Islamist stooge of the ISI and should be lucky that nobody has put a bullet into his fat stomach and have him die of loss of too much body fat.

I cant seem to understand why you cant comprehend the fact that Pakistan sold out some elements of the Taliban because they couldnt care less of the trash they created and support to this day?

Why do you sit there expecting sane minded people to accept your view the Taliban were some what special?

They brought Afghanistan way way way backward, and I find it very hard to see a well educated person such as you sit there and support such vile trash?

Its amazing, absolutely amazing, no matter how much one provides evidence, sources and litrature about the Taliban, even the child training camps to become suicide bombing, the stoning of women and the attacks on officials, still there is people out there who sit there expecting sane minded people to accept their deluded views.

The Taliban's god father Maulana Sami ul Haq, is linked with the ISI and the Pakistani Army, and has openly stated he is a Proud Pakistani many times on Press TV and AL Jazeera, and how he supports the Afghan Taliban.

Its a pity to see Barakzaiabdali still support the Taliban, or maybe you have other motives.

My point is that the Afghan people should have the right to self determination. In my ideal world, every force would leave and the tribes would have to devise lashkars to defend themselves and come up with some equitable agreement between themselves after they saw the harsh realities of what a state needs.

But instead we have Karzai the lacky who commands a paper army that is not pro Pashtun... we have secularists that dance with bagpipes (Irish musical instrument by the way) with jiggalos and offend rural sensabilities... and we have former communists turned capitalist over night. In that insane list of choices, the Taliban sounds more sane per Kawun Kaker and AFG21's commentary.

If tomorrow I travel through all of Afghanistan and NWFP as I have, and I see that suddenly the people have Lenin stickers and Bush statues in their house, then thats their right if they want to be that, they can have that right.

But on my visits I see a rural and conservative people who generally want to be left alone to live as they have in their rustic ways.

[randolph85]

soldat does not oppose foreign occupation in afghanistan. he only prefers one type of foreigner over the other. any patriotic afghan would oppose ALL occupation and interference, yet soldat plays the role of enlightened commie. he supports foreign occupation in the country because loosely dressed afghan women are worth the lives of hundreds of thousands of villagers who stand in the way of "progress". he see's afghans through the eyes of the west, he see's us as children that must have a master who determines our destiny, but he is stupid and naive in thinking that this has to do with one country or another. what has been going on in afghanistan in the last 20-30 yrs has basically been a civil war that would of ended a long time ago had other countries not been involved. instead of standing up and saying **** russia, iran, america, pakistan, india and whoever else, like a sane afghan would do, he takes the side of one puppet master or another.

[abassinafghan]

If tomorrow I travel through all of Afghanistan and NWFP

you still use an angress colonial discriminating name for a special part of the planet .

i guess those conservative rural rustical "pathans " if you ask them ,de cum zai ye ?

will answer ,"de north western frontier provice yeam ".

But on my visits I see a rural and conservative people who generally want to be left alone to live as they have in their rustic ways.

yes and because no one cared about them and they lived their lives for decades in

this rustic ways , we are today in this situation .

you sounds like the typical western peseudo ethnologist . also the use of the word

tribe is really funny , sounds to me as we are in your eyes still the noble savages and

should stay so .

and the rustic ways , do you know what they are ? the rustic ways are the children

are not sent to school but have to work on the fields , which are owned by the khan ,

and on which 2/10 of the field can keep the barwan and 8/10 goes to the khan .

thats the rustic ways . the rustic ways are that in one street of 10 families they is

only hachet for use . the rustic way is that people are dying because there are no

doctors .

and no the taliban were not the representatives of the rural people , my grandfather was a mullah and he sent all of his children to school . because they should have a better live than he did .

to ban music ,was not a way of the rustical way of live , to tell people how long their beard has to be was not a way of rustical live.

and i can gurantee you that the majority of this people are not willing to live such a live if they have an alternative . go to kabul , where all this people come from ,to seek for work ?

should we continue to live in feudal society ? are we doomed to this ? the reality was that the mullah of the village recieved cash from the khan sahib to tell the people that they should be happy with their pooverty that it will give them a place in janat . and that its their destiny ,bla bla bla .


its funny how you people always measure our people with the hardest standart , but

turkey a country established by a mason is still considerd a islamic country or iran ,

or the magreb states or let alone uae or saudis , they are even considerd better muslims ,which have to show us how islam is properly practised


of course we dont have to become all like soldar amir , and become kafirs . or behave

like the ones which are shown today in the tv stations of kabul .

and the reason why people are opposing the american or the rest , is not their love for

the taliban , but the tyrany and terror which the americans with their fashistoid na

smargandi mohajir allies put on the people . of whom nearl all are former so called mujahedin .lol

and stop talking about politics in connection with islam , stop it .

judge people by their acts and not how they are considerd good muslims .