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  • #31
    Originally posted by Reactants View Post
    The materialists are one such people who believe that all life is what is observable. What cannot be observed cannot be real.

    objections?
    I know what materialism is and I agree with your definition but what I wanted that you may clarify who is materialist here? For me Saudis and Wahabis are materialists that for material benefits and other reasons they restrict spiritual tourism only to Makkah and Madina and discourage Muslims to visit other spiritual centers in Muslim world.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Badlun View Post
      I know what materialism is and I agree with your definition but what I wanted that you may clarify who is materialist here? For me Saudis and Wahabis are materialists that for material benefits and other reasons they restrict spiritual tourism only to Makkah and Madina and discourage Muslims to visit other spiritual centers in Muslim world.
      is it only you that is allowed to use materialist multiple times?

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      • #33
        " Dil ba dast awar ke hajj e akbar ast,
        Az hazaran Ka'ba yak Dil behtar ast"

        Pashto translation
        ZRE LAS TA RAWRA CHE HAJJ E AKBAR DA
        DE ZERRO KA'BONA YAW ZRE BEHTARA DA

        find your heart as its a great pilgrimage
        One heart is better than a thousand Ka'abas

        Sa'adi

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Badlun View Post
          I know what materialism is and I agree with your definition but what I wanted that you may clarify who is materialist here? For me Saudis and Wahabis are materialists that for material benefits and other reasons they restrict spiritual tourism only to Makkah and Madina and discourage Muslims to visit other spiritual centers in Muslim world.
          hajj is obligatory and a pillar of faith, no other site holds this distinction.
          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

          Sayyid Qutb

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          • #35
            The kalimah is la ilaha illalahu muhammadur rasoolullah.

            Not just la ilaha ilallah.

            Anybody who disregards anything in the kalimah is OUT of the fold of islam. Anyone who criticises the sunnah, makes fun of it and criticises Allah and the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam is OUT of the fold of islam.

            There is no need to discuss with people like those, for they are deviants and an utter waste of time..I will leave the rest of you to make your own conclusions about who those people are.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Reactants View Post
              is it only you that is allowed to use materialist multiple times?
              I do not understand whether it is an affirmative statement, a question or comment!

              What do yoiu mean by YOU and use materialist multiple times? Would like to elaborate a bit more?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
                " Dil ba dast awar ke hajj e akbar ast,
                Az hazaran Ka'ba yak Dil behtar ast"

                Pashto translation
                ZRE LAS TA RAWRA CHE HAJJ E AKBAR DA
                DE ZERRO KA'BONA YAW ZRE BEHTARA DA

                find your heart as its a great pilgrimage
                One heart is better than a thousand Ka'abas

                Sa'adi
                Great quotation. Thanks a lot for sharing. This is the inner, intrinsic and spiritual form of Islam. Going to Hajj is a ritual but spiritual experiences there is also the spiritual gratification.

                When we are at Hajj we should have more and more spiritual experiences but back at home each of our own hearts and hearts of others are the abodes of God. Humanity is what matters not only rituals.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                  hajj is obligatory and a pillar of faith, no other site holds this distinction.
                  I totally agree that Hajj is obligatory and one of the five pillars of Islam.

                  Makkah and Madinah as well Al Quds are the three most important sites of Muslim pilgrimage.

                  No other place like Mazar Sharif, Multan, Tonsa Sharif, Konya, Peer Baba, Saidu Baba, Rehman Baba, Timbuktu, Ajmer Sharif,other sites in Senegal, Mali, Turkey, Iran, Syria, Central Asia can take their place but Muslim spiritual tourism and pilgrimages should not be restricted only to these 2 or 3 places but after performance Hajj once in life Muslims should also visit other spiritual sites in Muslim world.

                  I appreciate Shia and Sufi as well as Brelvi Muslims who do zyarah of many spiritual sites especially in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Central Asia and Turkey as well as Africa.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                    I do not understand whether it is an affirmative statement, a question or comment!

                    What do yoiu mean by YOU and use materialist multiple times? Would like to elaborate a bit more?
                    there you go with your you ...you

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                    • #40
                      I once again urge Muslims to focus on other places of spiritual tourism in India, Mali, Senegal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq etc and may not only concentrate on Saudi Arabia by performing Hajj multiple times.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                        I once again urge Muslims to focus on other places of spiritual tourism in India, Mali, Senegal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq etc and may not only concentrate on Saudi Arabia by performing Hajj multiple times.
                        hahahha Badlun you sometimes make very good jokes. hahaha Its like if you want to go to America so you should make your ticket to Sri Lanka
                        Last edited by jankhan; 10-03-2014, 02:50 PM.

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