Fruits of a Godless Society

[Soldat_Amir]

[QUOTE=Karachi;531505]^ its true, defiantly fruits of Godless Society

I remember back in grade 10 i had a science teacher who was a strict atheist, and he use to tell class students that parents should be killed off once they get old,

As if Mullahs, don't wish death upon other faiths and the godless, compare the godless societies of the world with the faithful and you will see what i mean, most people in Norway are godless and they are one of the worlds most successful nations both economically and morally and now look at one of the most faithful nations on planet such as Pakistan where sectarian violence in name of god occurs daily, forced conversions of Kalash/Christians occur regularly and politicians get shot dead by police guards for just saying "kala qanoon".

because they have no use once they get old and are a strain to society. In their minds humans are just like machines, infact if you think about it the whole western society's economic system is based like this

Western society economic system has a very good retirement plans for the elderly, it has a very strong system that caters for the needs of its elderly population, from annual flu jabs, to home care, meals on wheels, free transport to secondary care appointments, and I guess you dont know what pension is, show me in the religionist world, where the concept of a pension is present? show me in the Muslim world, where elderly people are respected, given free medical care, transported for free to appointments, given a pension without any rishwak being paid.

Karachi, I dont think you have lived in the west, the West has one of the best welfare system for the elderly, thats why THE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS MUCH HIGHER IN THE WEST THAN THE FAITHFUL REST.

[Soldat_Amir]

^ its true, defiantly fruits of Godless Society

I remember back in grade 10 i had a science teacher who was a strict atheist, and he use to tell class students that parents should be killed off once they get old, because they have no use once they get old and are a strain to society. In their minds humans are just like machines, infact if you think about it the whole western society's economic system is based like this

its true it does happen, however most of those wealthy people who do that in muslim countries are also Godless most of the time.

Lets just say if a good muslim who follows islam properly wouldn't or atleast shouldn't do that

This is the problem, can you define a good Muslim and compare it with reality.

There is no such thing as a real Muslim or a good Muslim.

Its illogical because a Real Muslim is very hard to define with the current view of what Islam is, and its illogical to say there is a thing called a good Muslim, everyone has a bad side too.

Its a complicated matter.

[Soldat_Amir]

Materialism, secularism and atheism is leading the mankind to destruction.

Its the other way round mate. Jinnah was a Secularist too.

No point even responding to this Jamiet natured comment.

Atheism has brought mankind to science in the modern day, while people like you Emkhan has brought misery upon the Muslim world, you will replace secularism with sectarism.

[emkhan]

Its the other way round mate. Jinnah was a Secularist too.

No point even responding to this Jamiet natured comment.

Atheism has brought mankind to science in the modern day, while people like you Emkhan has brought misery upon the Muslim world, you will replace secularism with sectarism.

From your posts, you proved that you are a pure kafir. You should understand that all this secularism and atheism is temporary. One day you have to face your creator. Think for a moment my dear.
We all have to enter an eternal life where we have to account for our deeds that we have done in this world.

[emkhan]

yeah so true ...I mean look at what the Pious Taliban is leading us to ...clearly they're paving the road to salvation

You are wrong brother, I never said Taliban are pious people. Whatever Taliban are doing is wars plus reaction plus revenge plus politics and many other factors involved.
Piety is a different thing. In this world of atheism, secularism, materialism, technology, internet, media, tv, banks, extravaganza life, pious people are very rare.

[Soldat_Amir]

From your posts, you proved that you are a pure kafir. You should understand that all this secularism and atheism is temporary. One day you have to face your creator. Think for a moment my dear.
We all have to enter an eternal life where we have to account for our deeds that we have done in this world.

Blah Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah

Should I even take this comment seriously?

What should I think about exactly? how backward the world you live in?

I guess all those millions of people before Judaism,Christianity and Islam who died will face which creator exactly?

No use in debating with people like you emkhan, you will always be blind of facts, day by day, people are modernising and progressing, nobody believes in flying mules with womens heads(baraq), even Muslims are turning towards progression and modernity, and respect secularism, and want education instead of this constant scaremongering by tablighis such as yourself.

If you want to prove to yourself, go and abolish hera mandi and bring Sharia to Punjab.

I am out of this thread. No use.

The funny thing is, the people who are feeding you this nonsense are most probably living in a secular country, or a secular part of Pakistan, making money over gullible followers like you, look at Imran Khan, Hamid gul, general baigh, and the rest of your heros, do they live under Sharia, do they even have beards?

[JAMALUDEEN]

This is the problem, can you define a good Muslim and compare it with reality.

There is no such thing as a real Muslim or a good Muslim.

Its illogical because a Real Muslim is very hard to define with the current view of what Islam is, and its illogical to say there is a thing called a good Muslim, everyone has a bad side too.

Its a complicated matter.

Are you saying that there are no "good" Muslims in the world? well in that regard, the same can argued with atheists, are their any "good" atheists? What is the definition of a "real" atheist? Of course, you will have to know the intentions of everyone and provide it as proof, in support of your argument.

Following your logic, neither can exist..due to the lack of a suitable definition.

Weak argument.

Perhaps, Brother Smiterxedge could smack his mighty sword of logical fallacy on you.

[emkhan]

Blah Blah Blah Blah....Blah Blah Blah

Should I even take this comment seriously?

What should I think about exactly? how backward the world you live in?

I guess all those millions of people before Judaism,Christianity and Islam who died will face which creator exactly?

No use in debating with people like you emkhan, you will always be blind of facts, day by day, people are modernising and progressing, nobody believes in flying mules with womens heads(baraq), even Muslims are turning towards progression and modernity, and respect secularism, and want education instead of this constant scaremongering by tablighis such as yourself.

If you want to prove to yourself, go and abolish hera mandi and bring Sharia to Punjab.

I am out of this thread. No use.

The funny thing is, the people who are feeding you this nonsense are most probably living in a secular country, or a secular part of Pakistan, making money over gullible followers like you, look at Imran Khan, Hamid gul, general baigh, and the rest of your heros, do they live under Sharia, do they even have beards?

Nobody is feeding me, I have never been to any madrassah or any religious scholar. Nobody in my family is mullah or any religious scholar.
I am from a very simple family background but alhamdulillah I have a strong belief in my creator and love for his prophet Muhammad peace be upon him from the very childhood as I remember. This is natural.
I advise you to come to the right path my dear. Internally you are a good person but too much reading of secular books and your secular environment have covered your mind which is preventing your mind from realising the truth.
But you still have time my dear mate, to repent and come to the right path.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You are wrong brother, I never said Taliban are pious people. Whatever Taliban are doing is wars plus reaction plus revenge plus politics and many other factors involved.
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oh ok .... of course it's never their own fault is it? they have NO responsibility for the choices they make....and of course nothing they do is leading people to destruction


LiveLeak.com - Pakistan Taliban releases tape of Polish beheading

beheading this geologist, who had nothing to do with any injustice in our lands, but was merely studying the rocks and land forms, was perfectly justified because he doesn't share our beliefs.

it's never the Taliban's fault right? ....mashallah bachooooo ..ta domra akalmand aw hokhyar sarray ye Khudai fazal dai ...Allah Akbar

[emkhan]

oh ok .... of course it's never their own fault is it? they have NO responsibility for the choices they make....and of course nothing they do is leading people to destruction


LiveLeak.com - Pakistan Taliban releases tape of Polish beheading

beheading this geologist, who had nothing to do with any injustice in our lands, but was merely studying the rocks and land forms, was perfectly justified because he doesn't share our beliefs.

it's never the Taliban's fault right? ....mashallah bachooooo ..ta domra akalmand aw hokhyar sarray ye Khudai fazal dai ...Allah Akbar

When will you stop supporting Americans by downgrading their enemies ?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Actually Jamaluddin all three of you have committed logical fallacies

EmKhan's logical fallacies

is Scapegoating fallacy; his argument is that the fanatics who exploit the deen, are doing so because they have been compelled to and that they had no other legitimate alternatives. While he supplies no evidence that such tactics were necessary.

Soldat/ Mazloomyar committed the "Appeal to Ignorance" fallacy. That we can't know what a Pious Muslim is, therefore fanatics are consistent with the teachings of Islam. which is also a logical contradiction because it requires one to conclude the other.


Your (Jamaluddin)'s fallacy is Tu Quoque, which is basically because Soldat is wrong we can thus blame Atheists the same way.

Although I would be less critical on yours because in a way you were attempting to show how Soldat's argument falls into an infinite regression, but you didn't really demonstrate that clearly.

[ScimitarXEdge]

When will you stop supporting Americans by downgrading their enemies ?

Your claim against me is Logical Fallacy called a False Dichotomy or false Dilemma

The Logical Fallacies: False Dilemma



being against the Taliban doesn't automatically mean being supporting of the U.S. or vice versa

When will you stop denying that the crimes of Fanatics like the Taliban are their own responsibility?

[R3SISTANC3]

You realize stuff like this happens in "Godful" societies too. numerous incidences of wealthy people in Pakistan running down poor peasants and paying brides to get away with it.

Logic people, false appeals only hurt your cause.

This is not about hit-run, which definitely happens every where including "Godful" societies. This is about the indifference people showed when a child was lying on the floor bleeding to death. The point is not that someone ran over this child and fled. The point is all those other people, rich or poor, who just walked away and drove by without any concern. I have yet to see that in "Godful" societies.

[IamDZJ]

this has nothing to do with God.

[khushal]

blend capitalism with atheism and you have compassion = liability

kill to avoid legal bills,
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