Intra-marital Rape

[Roshina]

I believe it is only legalized in Shia sect of Islam.

This is utterly untrue. It's allowed by many *Sunni* hadiths (which I've shared in my previous posts here), and if these same hadiths are accepted by Shiites as well, we shouldn't blame just the Shiites.

If I'm wrong, lemme know where you discovered/read that Shiites have "legalized" marital rape.

By the way, last year in April -- 2009 -- Hamid Karzai legalized marital rape using the same hadiths I've posted here. One of those "laws" was telling husbands to starve their wives if they refuse to satisfy their sexual needs! To see a list of other things he allowed/legalized that MAY be labeled as "Islamic," click here.

And, no, this is not to say that just because he did it, it must be Islamic. I'm just telling you the implications of the hadiths on rape and forced sex on wives.

[Master Khan]

Some of these hadiths are not true you know.
The Quran is the main book.
And what kind of a Animal would starve their wives.

[Roshina]

Some of these hadiths are not true you know.
The Quran is the main book.
And what kind of a Animal would starve their wives.

I COMPLETELY agree, Master Khana, but the problem is ... *our* opinion doesn't count

But you've NO idea how pleased and happy I am that you, too, realize that the Quran is the MAIN source/book and hadiths don't count if they're going to say something as unreasonable or violent or cruel as that. Good job!

[darkwitch]

To:Qrratugai




This is the answer for the right of the wife over her husband.

we always use teh hadith that a women cannot and should not say no to her husband when he approaches them Women are advised not to turn away from their husbands except if they are on their period or any other obligatory duty.And if they do angels will curse them.
BUT
The one about men is hardly mentioned.

Narrated Abdullah bin Amr bin Al-As: "Prophet Muhammad (saw) said, “O Abdullah! I have been informed that you fast all the day and stand in prayer all night?” I said, ‘Yes, O Allah's Apostle!’ He said, “Do not do that! Observe the fast sometimes and also leave them at other times, stand up for the prayer at night and also sleep at night. Your body has a right over you and your wife has a right over you.” (Bukhâri)


In this hadith it clearly stated that a wife also has a right over their husband for

intercourse.




It is also the wife’s right that her husband should spend his nights with her. Ibn Qudaamah al-Hanbali said: “If he has a wife, he should spend one night in four with her, so long as he has no excuse.” (Al-Mughni, 7/28; Kashf al-Qinaa’, 3/144).

Shaeikh al Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: “It is obligatory for the husband to have intercourse with his wife as much as is needed to satisfy her, so long as this does not exhaust him physically or keep him away from earning a living… If they dispute over this matter, the judge should prescribe more in the way of intercourse just as he may prescribe more in the way of spending.” (Al-Ikhtiyaaraat al-Fiqhiyyah min Fataawa Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 246)

Daira manana khor

[Roshina]

To:Qrratugai

This is the answer for the right of the wife over her husband.

we always use teh hadith that a women cannot and should not say no to her husband when he approaches them Women are advised not to turn away from their husbands except if they are on their period or any other obligatory duty.And if they do angels will curse them.
BUT
The one about men is hardly mentioned.

Narrated Abdullah bin Amr bin Al-As: "Prophet Muhammad (saw) said, “O Abdullah! I have been informed that you fast all the day and stand in prayer all night?” I said, ‘Yes, O Allah's Apostle!’ He said, “Do not do that! Observe the fast sometimes and also leave them at other times, stand up for the prayer at night and also sleep at night. Your body has a right over you and your wife has a right over you.” (Bukhâri)


In this hadith it clearly stated that a wife also has a right over their husband for

intercourse.




It is also the wife’s right that her husband should spend his nights with her. Ibn Qudaamah al-Hanbali said: “If he has a wife, he should spend one night in four with her, so long as he has no excuse.” (Al-Mughni, 7/28; Kashf al-Qinaa’, 3/144).

Shaeikh al Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: “It is obligatory for the husband to have intercourse with his wife as much as is needed to satisfy her, so long as this does not exhaust him physically or keep him away from earning a living… If they dispute over this matter, the judge should prescribe more in the way of intercourse just as he may prescribe more in the way of spending.” (Al-Ikhtiyaaraat al-Fiqhiyyah min Fataawa Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 246)

Daira manana khor

But, sweetums ... these hadiths don't *curse* men who don't fulfill their wives' desires for intimacy, kana

Also, the last one is the opinion of a sheikh; it's not a hadith. I'm looking for a hadith that says that husbands who don't respond to their wives desires are cursed JUST as wives who don't are cursed, too.

While Ibn Taimiyyah made it obligatory on men to have sex with their wives when their wives want it, al-Ghazali and others have said that the FIRST intercourse is the woman's rights while all the rest is the husband's (I mentioned this in my first post in this thread.)

Whose words should we trust and whose should we ignore?

That's just to remind you that the opinions of the scholars aren't the same on this topic, just like on all others. Quoting just one doesn't help.

[Roshina]

You are wrong.

It is now legalized in your motherland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-marriage.html

I know it's legalized by Hamid Karzai. I even said this in my earlier post to you, HandsomePashtuna.

But what I said was: it has nothing to do with Shiism. We can't accuse Shiism or all Shiites for this legalization, my reason being that a Sunni hadith supports marital rape, just as any Shiite might as well.

In other words, being Shiite or Sunni doesn't have anything to do with the legalization of (marital) rape in a Muslim country.

[darkwitch]

I know it's legalized by Hamid Karzai. I even said this in my earlier post to you, HandsomePashtuna.

But what I said was: it has nothing to do with Shiism. We can't accuse Shiism or all Shiites for this legalization, my reason being that a Sunni hadith supports marital rape, just as any Shiite might as well.

In other words, being Shiite or Sunni doesn't have anything to do with the legalization of (marital) rape in a Muslim country.

There is not a single hadith khor that says to force yourselves on your wife, it says she will be cursed of he goes to bed angry which is nt always the case. Sometimes of a wife just tells her husband that she isnt in da mood he will understand but she also has to understand that she has to set aside some stuff for him.
So your basically saying Islam supports marital rape? Or that scholars support it?
No where does it say to go to bed with her even without her consent..
And there is another point in marriage that is love and compassion for one another surely you must've heard the hadith im interpreting it since im on my cell And dont remember the exact words.
"He is the best amongst you who is the best towards his wives."
so the husband also has an obligation to be caring and compassionate nd be kind towards her.

[Roshina]

~sighs~

Okay.

We clearly need to learn how to read and think critically. I've a post in mind about thinking/reading critically, which I'll try to post in a couple of days in hopes that it'll help some of us learn how to do that.