What is Mutah?

[Nadir Shah]

You keep dodging my questions? Any particular reason?

Malgariya, If you plan to have a serious and objective discussion on the principles of Marxism or its dynamics or anything related to it, I am all ears.
But If you want to discuss Karl Marx's penis or Engels sex life with me, I apologize, I am short of time.

[Nadir Shah]

Ok. Let's just wait and see for the next 5 years. If Israel even fires a pistol towards Iran I will change my name.

Malgariya, there are no religiously motivated conflicts. There is no Moslem versus Jews and Hindus and Christians and no Jewish-Shiite alliance. All conflicts are based upon the need of the belligerent forces for resources.

[Nadir Shah]

Come on man. Don't fall into the trap of kuffar. All this bloodshed is supported by the west. They arm both sides sunni and shia to keep them busy with internal wars and ethnic cleansing so they can control the oil. Its the same old divide and rule strategy and unfortunately many gullible muslims are falling into their trap. You will be surprised how America armed both saddam and the Iranian regime during the Iran-Iraq war to keep the war going. Arms industry is a lucrative business and the longer the wars go on the more weapons they can sell. Both shias and sunnis suffer just as much as each other and we shouldn't take sides. Look at saudi arabia killing innocent shias in Yemen recently, they suffer as much as us. Please don't rush into judgements and keep an open mind. Look at the bigger picture.

What stupidity!! What is it with moslems blaming the US and the West for everything? Did the US and the West goad Mr Saddam and Mr Khomeini to kill millions? Did the US and the West kill millions in Bengal using Al Badr and Al Shams? Is the US behind the Perso-Arab rivalry in the Gulf (It is to some extent)? Is the US behind the sectarian conflict in Pakistan that has killed hundereds? Is the US behind all the terror that has befallen the Pashtun Watan? The US may have supported the regimes that have commited these crimes but the prime responsibilty must reside with these Moslems.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

The shias are part of the enemy forces who are attacking our deen. They are the ones who helped the colonialists in our lands. They helped nato/america invade afghanistan and iraq.

If we do not even know our enemy, there will be nothing to improve on.

First of all, I would to counter with two points

1) If shia's are your enemy then why did your Sunnis accept their assistance against the Soviets?

2) Where was you when Shia Hezbullah was fighting the whole Israeli Army, I thought Israel is a friend of the Shia people.

Alqueda helped America invaded Afghanistan by destroying it with its Aid and weapons.

Taliban helped Pakistan invaded Afghanistan through Political ways that is why your coward Mullah Omar is hiding in Karachi or quetta with ISI protection.

Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

What stupidity!! What is it with moslems blaming the US and the West for everything? Did the US and the West goad Mr Saddam and Mr Khomeini to kill millions? Did the US and the West kill millions in Bengal using Al Badr and Al Shams? Is the US behind the Perso-Arab rivalry in the Gulf (It is to some extent)? Is the US behind the sectarian conflict in Pakistan that has killed hundereds? Is the US behind all the terror that has befallen the Pashtun Watan? The US may have supported the regimes that have commited these crimes but the prime responsibilty must reside with these Moslems.

Its a very famous character of your typical Muslim.
He/She will blaime everybody but not themselves and when they finally admit there wrong, they hide it by saying Allah is testing us.

In DI Khan, ive never seen one Muslim protest against Shia vs Sunni conflict, they slaughter eachother to pieces, and its not America or other western countries telling them to do it, its Mullahs who openly say you must do it.

Its truely very Sad.

[Nadir Shah]

Its a very famous character of your typical Muslim.
He/She will blaime everybody but not themselves and when they finally admit there wrong, they hide it by saying Allah is testing us.

In DI Khan, ive never seen one Muslim protest against Shia vs Sunni conflict, they slaughter eachother to pieces, and its not America or other western countries telling them to do it, its Mullahs who openly say you must do it.

Its truely very Sad.

Malgariya, my blood boils when I think of this.

Last year, when the Gaza conflict was on. Every dala dawoos in Pakistan took out rallies and protests and stuff against Isrealis. We see all sort of India bashing seminars and stuff for the people of Kashmir.

Get this. In 2009, 1080 people died in 334 attacks in Pakhtunkhwa. Did you see anyone in Gaza or Baghdad or Srinagar stand up for us? Why? Are Pashtuns not moslems(unfortunately they are. Damned be the Mahmud of Ghazni)? Are we not humans? This reminds me of the Islamic Conference in Lahore in 1974.
Sardar Dawood was the President of Afghanistan. He did not attend tghe summit, instead he sent his envoy. The envoy said to the Arabs 'You are selling Palestine and stuff on us. What about the oppressed Pashtuns and Balochs inside Pakistan?'.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Malgariya, my blood boils when I think of this.

Last year, when the Gaza conflict was on. Every dala dawoos in Pakistan took out rallies and protests and stuff against Isrealis. We see all sort of India bashing seminars and stuff for the people of Kashmir.

Get this. In 2009, 1080 people died in 334 attacks in Pakhtunkhwa. Did you see anyone in Gaza or Baghdad or Srinagar stand up for us? Why? Are Pashtuns not moslems(unfortunately they are. Damned be the Mahmud of Ghazni)? Are we not humans? This reminds me of the Islamic Conference in Lahore in 1974.
Sardar Dawood was the President of Afghanistan. He did not attend tghe summit, instead he sent his envoy. The envoy said to the Arabs 'You are selling Palestine and stuff on us. What about the oppressed Pashtuns and Balochs inside Pakistan?'.

Day by Day, As i read and read

Iam becoming convinced, that the whole khalifa and ummah unity talk is so Arabs have some economic power over the west its rivals.

Ive never seen a single Protest for Pashtuns,no where in the world, i only seen one done by the PMAP Uk in london last year, but only few attended, we have been killed,bombed, slaughtered and no has protested for us.

[Roshina]

@ MWMN, somehow, I knew I would be accused of having said that Islam is a faulty religion. So I made sure NOT to say “there’s a problem in Islam”; I said, instead, “perhaps our beliefs are faulty.”

Reference:

Perhaps because there ARE flaws in our beliefs. Not only in our beliefs but in the way we hold a discussion with someone, particularly with those who we don't agree with.

Note that I said “our beliefs” and not “Islam.”

Why, you ask? In a minute, I'll explain.

Your question was:

Why is it that you always find flaws with Islam?

Yet, you said:

I am glad that you cleared up that you do believe that Islam has flaws.

and

The red bold says it all! The rest of your post is a contradiction.

What you completely forgot is this part of my post:

There's a HUGE difference between [what] Islam stands for and what Muslims use as justification for their beliefs. There's a HUGE difference between what Islam says and what Muslims practice. So, to start with, your conclusion about my posts is wrong.

To explain, Islam is a theory, like all other religions; it becomes practice only once it has been practiced; it can be practiced only once it has been interpreted. Our beliefs are OUR interpretations of Islam. What I have a problem is with certain beliefs, certain interpretations, NOT with Islam itself -- hence my response to your question.

In a few weeks' time, I will give examples of these beliefs with a detailed explanation for *some examples of "Islamic" teachings* that are still open to interpretation. When I post it, I will let you know.

What I don't like are those who think they know everything about Islam and then they "pinpoint" all of the flaws with Islam, and to make the story even more juicy, they claim to be Muslim.

IF this post is referring to me, then all I can say is I don't claim to know everything about Islam. And I don't pinpoint flaws in *Islam*; I pinpoint flaws in the beliefs of most Muslims; I pinpoint problems in interpretations. There's a difference between Islam (the "theory") and our beliefs and practices as Muslims.

The perfect example is Irshad Manji. She is an authority on Islam in our time. She is consulted by the Western media whenever it is needed.

Is Irshad Manji the only Muslim woman (authority, as you call her, though I disagree) you know in the west?

By the way, she has a book called The Trouble with Islam, which, in my mind, is not something a scholar or intellectual -- or any authority of any group of people -- would write or say. When I heard about this book, the first thing that came to my mind was, “This woman, like majority of the Muslims, believes that there’s only ONE interpretation of Islam; that means she hasn’t studied the multi-interpretations of the religion and is saying there are problems with the RELIGION.” As such, the book is not something I myself find worthy of reading, although I am likely to read it just to see what she thinks.

I am pretty sure, now that you have cleared up your stance on Islam, no one will bother you--at least I won't.

I'm not afraid of being bothered, if that's what you think, wrora. I'm only appalled by the attitudes of many members, by their ignorance, by their intolerance.

I am only amused when I feel "bothered," if you will.

But it's good for me because I'm learning to prioritize, learning to know who is fit for a (public) discussion and who’s not, whose views I can give attention to and whose I can ignore.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Thank you for clearing up the matter.

So, let me get this straight: You don't think there is any problem with Islam itself but only with how Musilms themselves practice Islam?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Well Kafi Kulayni did copy and paste from the Jewish Talmud. That's why he is not comparable to Muslims such as Bukhari.

[Abu Hurayrah]

Are you guys going to read my post and come to senses about certain matters and your false accusations, or was I just wasting my time again?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Are you guys going to read my post and come to senses about certain matters and your false accusations, or was I just wasting my time again?

they are not interested in the truth. All they care about is spreading falsehood, casting doubt and promoting disbelief or shi'ism

[Azmatullah]

^^ Exactly, we should be careful with people like that.

Sam da Shaytanan buchyan dee.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

^^ Exactly, we should be careful with people like that.

Sam da Shaytanan buchyan dee.

Is Bin Laden the son of Shaytan?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Is Bin Laden the son of Shaytan?

No. He is a Muslim like all of us. And he says many good things. But his actions are bad.