Halal Meat and the meat of Ahl-al-Kitab?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Slaughtering animals in the so called Halal way is now becoming an animals' rights issue. Very soon you will hear news that Halal slaughtering is legally stopped in many countries as we saw recently in Poland where Halal slaughtering is now legally banned.

What do you think about the following

'Stunning' Study Can Make Halal Slaughter More Humane

The treatment of animals in the live-export trade—in which animals are shipped thousands of miles to slaughterhouses, where their throats are slit while they are still conscious—is not only inhumane, it also flies in the face of the teachings of the Holy Koran and halal humane-slaughter laws.
Islamic Concern: 'Stunning' Study Can Make Halal Slaughter More Humane

The slaughter of conscious animals was widely abandoned in the 20th Century and is now practised mainly in the Jewish and Muslim communities. Consumers increasingly expect animals to be stunned before death - but would banning other slaughter methods be an unacceptable violation of religious rights?

The plant - the second-biggest veal abattoir in Europe - has used stunning on all its calves - some 300,000 a year - since 2008. Before then it performed some religious slaughter without stunning for the Jewish and Muslim communities, but changing public attitudes towards animal welfare forced a rethink.
BBC News - Should animals be stunned before slaughter?

Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, which requires that farm animals be insensible to pain before they're shackled and killed. The HSUS is working with retailers to help move companies that slaughter birds toward a less cruel system.
Cruel Slaughter Practices : The Humane Society of the United States

Stop Halal Slaughtering of Animals - It's cruel and barbaric
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-...77325368988854

Notice that none of these are actual studies nor do they address the science behind stunning.

That should tell you something.

[M17ArnoBaloch]

The video speaks for itself.

youtube.com/watch?v=quhVxLUwiBw

[Badlun]

Can you refute this one?

Animals feel the pain of religious slaughter


Brain signals have shown that calves do appear to feel pain when slaughtered according to Jewish and Muslim religious law, strengthening the case for adapting the practices to make them more humane.

Johnson summarised his results last week in London when receiving an award from the UK Humane Slaughter Association. His team also showed that if the animal is concussed through stunning, signals corresponding to pain disappear.

Stunning result

In most western countries, animals must be stunned before they are slaughtered, but there is an exemption for religious practice, most prominently Jewish shechita and Muslim dhabiha. Animal welfare groups have long argued that on welfare grounds, the exemptions should be lifted, as they have been in Norway.


Johnson's work, funded by the UK and New Zealand agriculture ministries, builds on findings in human volunteers of specific patterns of brain electrical activity when they feel pain. Recorded with electroencephalograms, the patterns were reproducible in at least eight other mammal species known to be experiencing pain.


Johnson developed a way of lightly anaesthetising animals so that although they experienced no pain, the same electrical pain signals could be reliably detected, showing they would have suffered pain if awake.


The team first cut calves' throats in a procedure matching that of Jewish and Muslim slaughter methods. They detected a pain signal lasting for up to 2 minutes after the incision. When their throats are cut, calves generally lose consciousness after 10 to 30 seconds, sometimes longer.
Cut-throat practice

The researchers then showed that the pain originates from cutting throat nerves, not from the loss of blood, suggesting the severed nerves send pain signals until the time of death. Finally, they stunned animals 5 seconds after incision and showed that this makes the pain signal disappear instantly.


"It wasn't a surprise to me, but in terms of the religious community, they are adamant animals don't experience any pain, so the results might be a surprise to them," says Johnson.


He praised Muslim dhabiha practitioners in New Zealand and elsewhere who have already adopted stunning prior to slaughter. They use a form of electrical stunning which animals quickly recover from if not slaughtered, proving that the stunned animal is "healthy", thereby qualifying as halal.

Animals feel the pain of religious slaughter - science-in-society - 13 October 2009 - New Scientist

[M17ArnoBaloch]

Can you refute this one?

Animals feel the pain of religious slaughter


Brain signals have shown that calves do appear to feel pain when slaughtered according to Jewish and Muslim religious law, strengthening the case for adapting the practices to make them more humane.

Johnson summarised his results last week in London when receiving an award from the UK Humane Slaughter Association. His team also showed that if the animal is concussed through stunning, signals corresponding to pain disappear.

Stunning result

In most western countries, animals must be stunned before they are slaughtered, but there is an exemption for religious practice, most prominently Jewish shechita and Muslim dhabiha. Animal welfare groups have long argued that on welfare grounds, the exemptions should be lifted, as they have been in Norway.


Johnson's work, funded by the UK and New Zealand agriculture ministries, builds on findings in human volunteers of specific patterns of brain electrical activity when they feel pain. Recorded with electroencephalograms, the patterns were reproducible in at least eight other mammal species known to be experiencing pain.


Johnson developed a way of lightly anaesthetising animals so that although they experienced no pain, the same electrical pain signals could be reliably detected, showing they would have suffered pain if awake.


The team first cut calves' throats in a procedure matching that of Jewish and Muslim slaughter methods. They detected a pain signal lasting for up to 2 minutes after the incision. When their throats are cut, calves generally lose consciousness after 10 to 30 seconds, sometimes longer.
Cut-throat practice

The researchers then showed that the pain originates from cutting throat nerves, not from the loss of blood, suggesting the severed nerves send pain signals until the time of death. Finally, they stunned animals 5 seconds after incision and showed that this makes the pain signal disappear instantly.


"It wasn't a surprise to me, but in terms of the religious community, they are adamant animals don't experience any pain, so the results might be a surprise to them," says Johnson.


He praised Muslim dhabiha practitioners in New Zealand and elsewhere who have already adopted stunning prior to slaughter. They use a form of electrical stunning which animals quickly recover from if not slaughtered, proving that the stunned animal is "healthy", thereby qualifying as halal.

Animals feel the pain of religious slaughter - science-in-society - 13 October 2009 - New Scientist

refute this

youtube.com/watch?v=quhVxLUwiBw

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Can you refute this one?

yes easily; the study being alluded to here is measuring pain AFTER stunning; they don't measure pain OF STUNNING.


Think about that , we never said that halal slaughter is painless; but involves less suffering

[M17ArnoBaloch]

Pain, Pain Pain. What is this nonsense?

You feel pain when you die no matter what.

Pain is associated while dying.

Ever heard of dying without pain? There is no such thing.

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God gave us canine, lateral incisor teeth to rip flesh and molar teeth to chew vegetable. In other words, God or NATURE want's us to eat meat and eating meat means killing or slaughtering an animal. It's what we're made for. Touch your canine teeth and lateral incisors and wonder why you have them?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I wonder what Badun's views on animal testing are.

[Badlun]

refute this

youtube.com/watch?v=quhVxLUwiBw

I cant open it may be because of some restrictions where I work on some entertainment stuff. Can you please describe the main arguments in the video.

[DaZahroJaam.]

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