Hell or Jannat for Bin Laden ?

[Dervaish]

Which final destination will you recommend for Osama Bin Lade or ?

[graveyardofempires]

Toba toba

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

Bin Laden, the man who brought the Suicide vest to the Pashtun youth, was living in a one million dollar villa while Pashtun children and victims of the war were waiting in long lines just for a piece of biscuit. He is a Coward, he is going no where but the depths of the Ocean where not even a Fish will touch his body. He was a killer of innocence, he done nothing for the region expect tarnish it with bloodshed, hatred and backwardness.

He should never be prayed for, nor have a funeral, due to his wicked ideology, 1000s of innocents have lost their lives in Pakhtunkhwa.

America should have given the body to the victims of his barbarism and terrorism, so they could put him on a rocket and shoot him off this earth.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Bin Laden, the man who brought the Suicide vest to the Pashtun youth, was living in a one million dollar villa while Pashtun children and victims of the war were waiting in long lines just for a piece of biscuit. He is a Coward, he is going no where but the depths of the Ocean where not even a Fish will touch his body. He was a killer of innocence, he done nothing for the region expect tarnish it with bloodshed, hatred and backwardness.

He should never be prayed for, nor have a funeral, due to his wicked ideology, 1000s of innocents have lost their lives in Pakhtunkhwa.

America should have given the body to the victims of his barbarism and terrorism, so they could put him on a rocket and shoot him off this earth.

1. Wrong. American interventionism in the Muslim world definitively produced Bin Ladin. Not vice versa. Your profound ignorance of history shows.

2. You have not proposed a war methodology for assymetric battle. Can you detail for us your strategy of dealing with an American Army stationed in the Prophet Muhammad's homeland? If it is to depose the Saudi kingdom, he appeared to have been working on that. However, massive American arms to the kingdom resulted in his and others arrests. Proof of these measures that the US takes are recent arms increases to Yemen and former arms increases to Egypt.

3. You are lying about the luxury mansion. Per my prior post:

This is Gwen Eiffel's PBS news program that Toramana had posted. Go to 3 minutes and 40 seconds into the program. The exact commentary is as follows regarding the "mansion":

"It is not a grande structure and has no signs of luxury."

Now, the US is having to adjust the narrative and admit that he had his gun right near him:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...ex.html?hpt=T1

"Sen. Dianne Feinstein, chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told CNN that weapons were near bin Laden, who died on an upper floor of the compound toward the end of the nearly 40-minute raid. "He was right there and going to get those arms. You really can't take a chance."

This has forced the media to return to calling the edifice a compound.

Your attempts to paint an insurgent leader as some pansy Karzai style cashew eating coward only does a disservice to your own cause. As I noted to you, only losers see the world as they want it to be, and not as it is. That is why you will continue to spew PMAP rhetoric fed to you by fat cat, nonmeritocratic, murderous leaders like Mr. Achekzai.

Regarding the apparent clashes with Paki forces.... prove it. The burden of proof is on you for your conspiracy mongering. Otherwise, you remain as irrelevent as you always have.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

How will it produce more bin ladens when the mastermind of Jihadism ISI has been caught red-handed. For the last ten years, what has Alqaeda accomplished? Nothing besides bringing fear to people. America must get rid of its former assets and punish the ISI. ISI is the only vehnicle spreading Islamist Terrorism around the globe. Even teh Indonesian government confirmed that their own Terrorists met in Pakistan in that exact house.

Its not the 70's doctor saab, nobody cares much about holy lands, its all about politics. Plus, Bin Laden was hiding in PAKISTAN, few miles away from the Military complex, even ISI confirms his death, what more do you want.

I am excited to see the response towards Pakistan, I hope those who promote Pro Bin Laden policies in the Pashtun region get a good kicking with their Conspiracist theorists.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

Barakzai, do not worry about Bin Laden Copycats, there is a whole building full of it in Rawalpindi and they are called the ISI, I thought maybe you would know them better than me!

[BarakzaiAbdali]

How will it produce more bin ladens when the mastermind of Jihadism ISI has been caught red-handed. For the last ten years, what has Alqaeda accomplished? Nothing besides bringing fear to people. America must get rid of its former assets and punish the ISI. ISI is the only vehnicle spreading Islamist Terrorism around the globe. Even teh Indonesian government confirmed that their own Terrorists met in Pakistan in that exact house.

Its not the 70's doctor saab, nobody cares much about holy lands, its all about politics. Plus, Bin Laden was hiding in PAKISTAN, few miles away from the Military complex, even ISI confirms his death, what more do you want.

I am excited to see the response towards Pakistan, I hope those who promote Pro Bin Laden policies in the Pashtun region get a good kicking with their Conspiracist theorists.

It appears that you and Toramana will need to have a discussion. He rebuked me regarding the statement that I made indicating the ISI knew exactly where Mr. Bin Ladin was. You need to get your stories straight.

Otherwise, I can see that you are another cookie cutter, red hatter, printed xerox copy in a factory behind Mr. Achekzai's house in Quetta. Same rhetoric, same baseless accusations of ISI intrigues for anyone that challenges your narrative, etc.

Its rather easy to show you are completely assinine. Consider Hamas, the Muslim brotherhood, Indonesian jihaid movements, Algerian movements etc. They are not ISI creations. They are responses to our interventionist policies.

Mr. Bin Ladin was the ultimate personification of the issue that Muslims, whiskey drinking, rigidly religious, and all folks in between these polar ends have with American policy.

While it may be true that a large percentage of the Muslim world does not agree with AQ tactics in general, they do agree with the sentiments made by Mr. Bin Ladins original declaration of war.

This is shown definitively in the massively powered University of Maryland polling.

My contention, despite my proclivity toward nonviolence, is that practically speaking, you offered Mr. Bin Ladin and his ilk no option.

1. In Saudi he attempted, per his confirmed bio, to have Saudi solve her own problems with Iraq. He was immediatly arrested and his farms were raided. He had to flee his country.

2. He attempted rebukes in Sudan that were initially back and forths with Bin Baaz... to no effect as Bin Baaz was a pawn in the Saudi's religious scheme.

3. The Muslim Brotherhood and the Saudi regime are actually far more imperialistic then Mr. Bin Ladin was, who is generally seen, by experts to be a defensive jihaadist, seeking to eject occupiers from Muslim lands.

4. With diplomatic channels exhausted and his citizenship stripped after he spoke up for what 90% of Saudis desired, which was no US troops on their soil, his last option was war. Now, lets talk war... how does one fight assymetric guerilla warfare?

The general theological debate here is that the Prophet Muhammad (S) appeared to have left behind instructions about fighting the near enemy first. Bin Ladin altered that and focused on the far unifier enemy propping up the near enemies. This then entailed fighting a superpower armed with everything from satellite guided missiles, to drones, to everything in between. As far as I can see, the tactics utilized appear to address reality.

Remember proof trumps illogic everytime. Now go back to your ISI demon visions.

[emkhan]

I wish jannat for him and inshallah he will get.
He was the person who left luxurious life and fought against the oppressors.
He no doubt deserves jannat.

[Iqra]

Lol @ recommend, seroiusly?

How about we try working on keeping ourselves away from the Hellfire.

[Fahd]

allah will give him what he deserve
i wish him jannat ameen

can this be banned cuz its gona make some poster become kafir while they saying somethin stupid and its not right to discuss things like that !!
astghferallah !!

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

I wish jannat for him and inshallah he will get.
He was the person who left luxurious life and fought against the oppressors.
He no doubt deserves jannat.

What is a Pro Alqaeda ISI Pakistani doing in London?

He wasnt living a Miserable life, he was sat in a villa in abbotabad.

He was no fighter of oppressors, he actually starting oppressing people by blowing up markets and killing tribal elders.

You know the guy in your DP was General Zia ul haqs right hand man, no wonder your speaking like this, maybe your one of those admirers of Zia ul haq, dont worry, Zia Ul haq, Bin Laden and that dude in your DP are having a great time in Hell fire.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

allah will give him what he deserve
i wish him jannat ameen

can this be banned cuz its gona make some poster become kafir while they saying somethin stupid and its not right to discuss things like that !!
astghferallah !!

Insulting Bin Laden makes one a Kaffir? What has the world come too. I guess some people just never learn.

What is it with these new generation of Takfiris!

If Bin Laden was a brave man and a fighter he would have stayed in Afghanistan, but instead he was hiding like a coward in Pakistan right next too the Pakistani Military base.

Nobody, not even God saved him and he was shot infront of his 20 wifes and 50 children plus the rabbits.

Nobody cares about his death in the Muslim world except a few Pakistanis and one whos living in Kuffur London. lol.

Get the hint guys, get over it. He was no Hero, He was a Terrorist, He brought this chaos to the Pashtun region with the same Americans.

[emkhan]

What is a Pro Alqaeda ISI Pakistani doing in London?

He wasnt living a Miserable life, he was sat in a villa in abbotabad.

He was no fighter of oppressors, he actually starting oppressing people by blowing up markets and killing tribal elders.

You know the guy in your DP was General Zia ul haqs right hand man, no wonder your speaking like this, maybe your one of those admirers of Zia ul haq, dont worry, Zia Ul haq, Bin Laden and that dude in your DP are having a great time in Hell fire.

, you are no less than those mullahs who issues fatwas of kufar for people and kick them into hell LOL.
You know very well who brought suiciders into pakistan and who brought these bombs and terrorism in the region.
I think you should learn about the root causes of the issue rather than blaming someone for something.
He was a fighter against the oppressors and he enjoyed shahaadat mashallah.
You being standing in line with the oppressors now, i am afraid you will be standing with the same people on the day of judgement.
I don't think America or CIA will be able to save you.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

I know the root causes very well, and they all lead to your Pakistan just like every terrorist on the Planet.

Zia Ul Haq/Bhutto wanted to counter the Pashtun Nationalist sentiment, so they turned to America, America wanted to lure the Soviets in, and the toor punjabay gave his Kwana to his Speen Master.

There was no such thing as ALqaeda, until America and ISI created it. When America got tired of supporting Jihadis, Pakistan decided to lie,steal and rob American dollars all those years in the name of war on terror, while on the other hand Pakistan was hiding these Assets of theirs all along.

EmKhan, you support the division of the Pashtun people and you are supporting and wishing heaven upon the same people who worked for the CIA and destroyed the Pashtun region.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself and leave the UK. I am sure Alqaeda can cater for your standard of living.

[emkhan]

I know the root causes very well, and they all lead to your Pakistan just like every terrorist on the Planet.

Zia Ul Haq/Bhutto wanted to counter the Pashtun Nationalist sentiment, so they turned to America, America wanted to lure the Soviets in, and the toor punjabay gave his Kwana to his Speen Master.

There was no such thing as ALqaeda, until America and ISI created it. When America got tired of supporting Jihadis, Pakistan decided to lie,steal and rob American dollars all those years in the name of war on terror, while on the other hand Pakistan was hiding these Assets of theirs all along.

EmKhan, you support the division of the Pashtun people and you are supporting and wishing heaven upon the same people who worked for the CIA and destroyed the Pashtun region.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself and leave the UK. I am sure Alqaeda can cater for your standard of living.

i wish i could find someone having manners and no abusing words in his talk.
But all secular so called pashtuns here always use abusing words. Girls and boys both. I am sick of this.
sorry i can't talk and even don't want to talk to such people.