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  • #16
    Originally posted by Idiot View Post
    You don't need to be taught in any Islamic school, or by a sheik. I have taught myself like Zakir Naik has.
    please watch

    YouTube - Do Not Be A Self Proclaimed Scholar!*IMPORTANT VIDEO*

    Ibn Mas'ud --(radiallaahu 'anhu) -- would advise his students, "If your intention is one of these three, do not seek knowledge: To shame the ignorant, or to argue with the Fuqahaa' (scholars), or to cause people to turn their faces in your direction. Intend with your actions and words that which is with All
    ah, for indeed that which is with Allah shall remain and everything else shall perish."

    Ibn Sareen (May Allah have mercy on him) said:

    "For a man to die in a state of ignorance, is better for him then to speak about that which he has no knowledge of."

    Jaami' al-bayaan al-ilm 2/54

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
      please watch

      YouTube - Do Not Be A Self Proclaimed Scholar!*IMPORTANT VIDEO*

      Ibn Mas'ud --(radiallaahu 'anhu) -- would advise his students, "If your intention is one of these three, do not seek knowledge: To shame the ignorant, or to argue with the Fuqahaa' (scholars), or to cause people to turn their faces in your direction. Intend with your actions and words that which is with All
      ah, for indeed that which is with Allah shall remain and everything else shall perish."

      Ibn Sareen (May Allah have mercy on him) said:

      "For a man to die in a state of ignorance, is better for him then to speak about that which he has no knowledge of."

      Jaami' al-bayaan al-ilm 2/54
      Who has collected this Hadith? I don't think I have read it in Bukhari, Or Muslim. This Hadith was probably recoded when the Prophet was alive or several years after. We are 1430 years apart from the Prophet. In these days who are the scholars? In imam who knows how to speak Arabic? I don't know about others, but I have dedicated my life in edifying myself about Islam. I have blood sweat and tears on my resumë, i don't need a "Sheik" to tell me about Islam. Sheiks do not have a secret book no one can access.

      I have done my share of preaching outside Masjids, to know how brainwashed Muslims are for their beloved Sheiks. When the Mahdi, and Isa bin Maryam reveal themselves, will you listen to them or sheiks?
      Last edited by کیش; 04-21-2011, 09:44 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Idiot View Post
        Who has collected this Hadith? I don't think I have read it in Bukhari, Or Muslim. This Hadith was probably recoded when the Prophet was alive or several years after. We are 1430 years apart from the Prophet. In these days who are the scholars? In imam who knows how to speak Arabic? I don't know about others, but I have dedicated my life in edifying myself about Islam. I have blood sweat and tears on my resumë, i don't need a "Sheik" to tell me about Islam. Sheiks do not have a secret book no one can access.

        I have done my share of preaching outside Masjids, to know how brainwashed Muslims are for their beloved Sheiks. When the Mahdi, and Isa bin Maryam reveal themselves, will you listen to them or sheiks?
        "A pseudo doctor is danger to life. A pseudo religious scholar is danger to faith."

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
          "A pseudo doctor is danger to life. A pseudo religious scholar is danger to faith."
          But brother, nobody is perfect except Allah.
          why should we pick his small mistakes and label him on the basis of such ?
          If this is the criterea then there is no good scholar in this world because everyone has some defficeincies.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by emkhan View Post
            But brother, nobody is perfect except Allah.
            why should we pick his small mistakes and label him on the basis of such ?
            If this is the criterea then there is no good scholar in this world because everyone has some defficeincies.

            so was the holy prophet peace be upon him deficient as well?


            why yes or why not?

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            • #21
              No dear, he was masoom. and he was the last and final masoom. nobody else after him could be masoom.
              masoom means who could not make mistake even if makes, Allah rectifies it in time

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              • #22
                Originally posted by emkhan View Post
                No dear, he was masoom. and he was the last and final masoom. nobody else after him could be masoom.
                masoom means who could not make mistake even if makes, Allah rectifies it in time

                What about his sahib who was given the glad tidings that he would enter Jannah without any accounting on Day of Qiyama?


                See..

                you don't know ...

                so don't be so obstinate and self confident. The question was for Idiot but you thought you know better.

                You don't know that his Ahlul bayt were also given the glad tidings...but you made this fallacious claim with out any knowledge.

                Humble your selves. Even the great alim, Malik, (rahimahu allah) would say mostly "la adree", I don't know. The more you learn and gain knowledge, the clearer it becomes to you that you don't know. Where as when you learn a little, you think you have learned it all. Still you are infants compared to the real alims and sheikhs ...and haven't even learned to walk compared to them and now challenge them to race?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Alchemist View Post
                  What about his sahib who was given the glad tidings that he would enter Jannah without any accounting on Day of Qiyama?
                  See..

                  you don't know ...

                  so don't be so obstinate and self confident. The question was for Idiot but you thought you know better.
                  You don't know that his Ahlul bayt were also given the glad tidings...but you made this fallacious claim with out any knowledge.

                  Humble your selves. Even the great alim, Malik, (rahimahu allah) would say mostly "la adree", I don't know. The more you learn and gain knowledge, the clearer it becomes to you that you don't know. Where as when you learn a little, you think you have learned it all. Still you are infants compared to the real alims and sheikhs ...and haven't even learned to walk compared to them and now challenge them to race?
                  Who are these Alims, and Sheiks? Like I said earlier is their some secret book that they have and do not share with others? Their is no prophet, for a person to be sinless, are you saying these Sheiks are sinless?

                  These are going to be the same Sheiks who are going to be against the Mahdi, and Isa Bin Maryam.

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                  • #24
                    ^Not really (they don't study from a specific book). But they do tend to study from one of the madhahibs.
                    I desire that which is Just - House of Dukemina.

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                    • #25
                      Great speaker... nice voice


                      YouTube - Depression vs. Contentment MUST SEE!! 1of10

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                      • #26
                        da Islam ka khu Gotay wahay khu Saba WALLAH taso Dozakh ta hem lar na shay

                        bail zay taso da para............Prag ya da mara ....
                        .....


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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Idiot View Post
                          Who are these Alims, and Sheiks? Like I said earlier is their some secret book that they have and do not share with others? Their is no prophet, for a person to be sinless, are you saying these Sheiks are sinless?

                          These are going to be the same Sheiks who are going to be against the Mahdi, and Isa Bin Maryam.

                          what are you babbling about idiot?

                          what books have you read? because so far I have not read anything informative from you on any subject, so what is your vocation? Thought so.


                          At the end of times, the people will become totally ignorant, there won't be any one left to recite the quran, and the elders of them will say that we use to hear our father's say "la illaha illa allah" so we say it to. These are in authentic ahadith, that Allah will decrease the knowledge by taking away the alims and the people will take up ignorant men for leaders.

                          So your "theory" that sheikhs and immas will reject the mahdi and Isa ibn maryam (alihimu salam) is totally fallacious and attests to your LACK of knowledge! It is actually because there are no sheikhs or alims, that most will follow the dajjal when he makes the claim to be Allah. Do you know how to protect your self against the dajjal? Stop making fallacious claims on behalf of this religion. Humble your self, idiot.

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                          • #28
                            Alchemist

                            Did I insult your prophet, that you had to feel insecure and insult me? Islamic, and religious studies is my specialty. I have been studying it since I was 5, from the madrases to an autodidact. Am not trying I know more then everybody, I just dislike Sheik Arab, who sits in his butt all day.

                            First, you want to know my credentials? I won't hide anything and claim their is a secret book that the average Muslim can not find, unlike the Sheiks and Alims. The Quran translated to a language your understand well, makes a very good prerequisite. When you get comfortable with how the writing is, you move on to Sahih Bukhari.

                            Sahih Bukhari is not no easy book, it is real long. I have completed all 9 volumes of Bukhari Hadiths, and am not talking about a website about hadiths, the physical book collection, which is thousands of pages long.

                            After Sahih Bukhari, your brain gets a little fatigue, it is alot for an average person to grasp. It also can change you as a person. When you want to move on you can go to the next, Sahih Muslim, third after Bukhari as an authentic book.

                            Sahih Muslim is alot shorter then Bukhari, it has four volumes, though it is also thousands of pages long. Most hadiths are same as Bukhari, but Muslim introduces the Mahdi, or Imam as is written.

                            Want more? You could read Sunan Abu Dawud. I wasn't a fan of his collection. I could not get through one volume without the hadiths contradicting Bukhari, which is higher in accuracy.

                            If you want I can even point out what was contradicting about Abu Dawud.

                            I suggest you to start your studies, you have alot to take in. I studied These, I was not in college studying a major their.



                            And oh yea, me and al-masih ad dajjal, are good friends, I know him pretty good.
                            Last edited by کیش; 04-22-2011, 05:30 PM.

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