Ahmadi Muslims

[Bengal_Tiger]

Tormana is a Kafir, with a low level of education and extremely ignorant.

He is stupid and thinks he is a know-it-all guru and far more intelligent than the simple masses who are (in his Kafir eyes) ignorant to believe in Islam.

He was promoting his Islam-hating BS on Chaikhaana years back and was banned a few times due to many requests by Pakhtoons.

He is however far better than Kafir Maseed, because at least he has some manners and standards and will not fabricate complete nonsense and lies against people as Kafir Maseed did.


What is funny however is when both trolls get upset at people calling them non-Muslims (Kafirs) ,which they are since they do not believe in Islam and believe it is cruel and evil. However they are non-Muslims in a way one who believes in Marx is a Marxist, one who believes in Fascism is a fascist and one who disbelieves in Islam (e.g. Tormana and Kafir Maseed) are not Muslims.

On another note, finality of the prophethood of Muhammad SollAllahu alaihi wa sallam is one of the fundamental beliefs of Islam and articles of faith and one who rejects that does not fall within Islam e.g. "Ahmadis" (i.e. Qadianis, supporters of the British-created Qadiani cult).

[emkhan]

True

[Alchemist]

Tormana is a Kafir, with a low level of education and extremely ignorant.

He is stupid and thinks he is a know-it-all guru and far more intelligent than the simple masses who are (in his Kafir eyes) ignorant to believe in Islam.

He was promoting his Islam-hating BS on Chaikhaana years back and was banned a few times due to many requests by Pakhtoons.

He is however far better than Kafir Maseed, because at least he has some manners and standards and will not fabricate complete nonsense and lies against people as Kafir Maseed did.


What is funny however is when both trolls get upset at people calling them non-Muslims (Kafirs) ,which they are since they do not believe in Islam and believe it is cruel and evil. However they are non-Muslims in a way one who believes in Marx is a Marxist, one who believes in Fascism is a fascist and one who disbelieves in Islam (e.g. Tormana and Kafir Maseed) are not Muslims.

On another note, finality of the prophethood of Muhammad SollAllahu alaihi wa sallam is one of the fundamental beliefs of Islam and articles of faith and one who rejects that does not fall within Islam e.g. "Ahmadis" (i.e. Qadianis, supporters of the British-created Qadiani cult).

what irritates us about others is usually something we have in us that bothers us...
I used to get vexed by anyone that seemed to be on an islam bashing agenda. But when i reflect on some of the things they say...although irritating, sometimes it is true. It is a matter of fact that Arab culture is distinct from Islam. Suffice it to say that our Holy Prophet peace be upon worked the last 23 years of his life to completely change the culture of Arabs to bring it inline with Islam..but some of the jahil practices still remain and sometimes we take up those cultural aspects thinking them to be Islamic. He just isn't good at discerning where culture ends and where Islam begins but his intuition says that this is true. For example, his last attempt was opening a thread called "mullah joke" ..but he had to explain first that mullah and alim aren't the same thing. Which is some what true. Because the word mullah is actually a farsized version of the original arabic which means "mawla"...and sometimes you will hear iranians even use the words mullah and mawla (guardian, master) with different meanings, although lexically they should mean the same. So what he means to say is that the regional "mullah" is just a man who teaches how to read the quran, but doesn't have the knowledge of what the Quran means...so we imagine "Mullah Nasrudin"...a famous joke of jokes of mullahs...though nobody thought of toromana funny when he makes a joke of mullahs in general.
Here his criticism of the treatment of qadiani is also fair. The qadiani are treated in pakistan like a plague or a cancer but if you listen to these qadianies..their main message is that the khalifa, the mahdi is here already, and its the great grandson of the first...with the persecution that they are suffering at the hand of the pakistani government or indonesia, they are making the excuse that in the last century or so, their khalifa hasn't been able to spread their version of islam as fast as the original false prophet of qadian claim. So if anything, mistreating qadianis only makes them look better than the rest of the ummah of islam. Regardless, these stupid measures that are being taken, such as burning their masajid and placing restriction on their movement or freedom to speak, is not working anyway. The telecommunications age is allowing qadianies to announce their own version in any case. Rather this goes to show how lazy the muslim ummah it self has gotten because instead of debating them and countering them (like some ex-qadianis are now doing) they are just trying to shut them up physically. We know that qadianies have no legitimate claims, so why fear them?
Lets not bash on toromana for exposing the weaknesses of the ummah ...not any atheist or agnostic or whatever... let them post whatever...they just want to see our reaction to it. If we react like the people who burn the masajid, then they will affirm for themselves that all of us are like this.

[emkhan]

what irritates us about others is usually something we have in us that bothers us...
I used to get vexed by anyone that seemed to be on an islam bashing agenda. But when i reflect on some of the things they say...although irritating, sometimes it is true. It is a matter of fact that Arab culture is distinct from Islam. Suffice it to say that our Holy Prophet peace be upon worked the last 23 years of his life to completely change the culture of Arabs to bring it inline with Islam..but some of the jahil practices still remain and sometimes we take up those cultural aspects thinking them to be Islamic. He just isn't good at discerning where culture ends and where Islam begins but his intuition says that this is true. For example, his last attempt was opening a thread called "mullah joke" ..but he had to explain first that mullah and alim aren't the same thing. Which is some what true. Because the word mullah is actually a farsized version of the original arabic which means "mawla"...and sometimes you will hear iranians even use the words mullah and mawla (guardian, master) with different meanings, although lexically they should mean the same. So what he means to say is that the regional "mullah" is just a man who teaches how to read the quran, but doesn't have the knowledge of what the Quran means...so we imagine "Mullah Nasrudin"...a famous joke of jokes of mullahs...though nobody thought of toromana funny when he makes a joke of mullahs in general.
Here his criticism of the treatment of qadiani is also fair. The qadiani are treated in pakistan like a plague or a cancer but if you listen to these qadianies..their main message is that the khalifa, the mahdi is here already, and its the great grandson of the first...with the persecution that they are suffering at the hand of the pakistani government or indonesia, they are making the excuse that in the last century or so, their khalifa hasn't been able to spread their version of islam as fast as the original false prophet of qadian claim. So if anything, mistreating qadianis only makes them look better than the rest of the ummah of islam. Regardless, these stupid measures that are being taken, such as burning their masajid and placing restriction on their movement or freedom to speak, is not working anyway. The telecommunications age is allowing qadianies to announce their own version in any case. Rather this goes to show how lazy the muslim ummah it self has gotten because instead of debating them and countering them (like some ex-qadianis are now doing) they are just trying to shut them up physically. We know that qadianies have no legitimate claims, so why fear them?
Lets not bash on toromana for exposing the weaknesses of the ummah ...not any atheist or agnostic or whatever... let them post whatever...they just want to see our reaction to it. If we react like the people who burn the masajid, then they will affirm for themselves that all of us are like this.

Would you please like to tell, which school of thought are you from ?