Music: What is Evil Looks Good

[khashayar]

who cares.. i love music..aint nobody gonna change dat..

[Gulbabo]

Well the scholars that dont believe so are an extreme minority. sufis and such. what does the Quran and Sunnah say? thats the question

you believe sufis are a minority of scholars...?

do some research.

[ScimitarXEdge]

you believe sufis are a minority of scholars...?

do some research.

Not all Sufis are scholars and most scholarly Sufis have disavowed music.

I am from a school of thought that accepts Music though (Mu'tazili)

[king-zazai]

yep, thats what the scholars that believe so, say the scholars that don't believe so.

what scholars say its halal??? and im talking about ahl sunnah wa jama'h not other deviated sufi sects

well read the text i posted theres CLEAR quran hadith tabi'een all who say its haram so case closed and at least admit its haram rather than making the sin worse and denying something that is clearly haram

[Gulbabo]

what scholars say its halal??? and im talking about ahl sunnah wa jama'h not other deviated sufi sects

well read the text i posted theres CLEAR quran hadith tabi'een all who say its haram so case closed and at least admit its haram rather than making the sin worse and denying something that is clearly haram

i understand brother. I have read many sources.

so you are saying all form of Music is haram.

if that is the case, do you have a cell phone? does it have a ring tone? lets face it, I have seen mullahs at masjids who have cell phones with ring tones... even in biggest Islamic countries... when their cell phones go off, its something like... ting ting ting ting... making music...

so will u say there is an exception to ring tones...

[ScimitarXEdge]

i understand brother. I have read many sources.

so you are saying all form of Music is haram.

if that is the case, do you have a cell phone? does it have a ring tone? lets face it, I have seen mullahs at masjids who have cell phones with ring tones... even in biggest Islamic countries... when their cell phones go off, its something like... ting ting ting ting... making music...

so will u say there is an exception to ring tones...

Mullahs at Masjids are low level Imams. In Islam there are different levels of scholarships. Mullahs at the Masjid level are just preachers, da'i and Khatib. They don't actually derive any of the rulings they preach about. The Mufti derives the rulings.

As for whether he has a cell phone or a ring tone or if a Mullah has a cell phone with a ring tone ...so what? You act as if people aren't fallible.

[Gulbabo]

As for whether he has a cell phone or a ring tone or if a Mullah has a cell phone with a ring tone ...so what? You act as if people aren't fallible.

I don't act as if anything-... by mullah i don't mean some tom, and harry... mullah means someone of highest knowledge. its sad that now anyone who sits in masjid is named mullah.. i guess u should first study what mullah word means.

well if ring tones is against Islam, then i guess brother zazai here or any other person who claim all form of music is haram, should delete all the ring tones from their phones, not just personal but office phones too... and any email notification tones, and computer notification tones as well...

[IamDZJ]

That's not how morality works; Morality is based on how a person interacts with their environment, not with God.

maybe instead of burning people who ermphasize morality stop looking for scapegoats and be a moral person.

morality is the foundation of one's basic beliefs so it can work however one chooses for it to work. and if everyone or the majority of people in the world had that foundation placed adequately, the world wouldn't be such a crappy place today.
that is something very plain and simple and i am more than sure that you know it. so why advertise something you don't believe in?? YOU ARE SELLING AN IMAGE THAT REPRESENTS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU CLAIM FOR IT TO BE, HENCE THE DESPERATE NEED FOR FACADE.

[Manzareh]

Not all Sufis are scholars and most scholarly Sufis have disavowed music.

I am from a school of thought that accepts Music though (Mu'tazili)

am i right that its the same Mu'tazili school of thought that also teach that its impossible to be posses by a Jinn?

[Manzareh]

The question it not about who does it, even if everyone does do it, we are all going to be in our own grave, every single person on the earth sins. i may listen to music but that doesnt mean am going to lie and say its halaal, the first step to stop something haraam is to recognise that it is haraam. you dont make islam mold onto you, you mold on to islam and what it has to offer.

[king-zazai]

i understand brother. I have read many sources.

so you are saying all form of Music is haram.

if that is the case, do you have a cell phone? does it have a ring tone? lets face it, I have seen mullahs at masjids who have cell phones with ring tones... even in biggest Islamic countries... when their cell phones go off, its something like... ting ting ting ting... making music...

so will u say there is an exception to ring tones...

haram is all music and there is a difference in listening to it intentionally or walking in a mall and theres music where you dont want to here it but its there and some fuqaha even left that place where they was in the back round and yes imam's make mistakes to and our ring tones should be something decent allah u alim

[Gulbabo]

haram is all music and there is a difference in listening to it intentionally or walking in a mall and theres music where you dont want to here it but its there and some fuqaha even left that place where they was in the back round and yes imam's make mistakes to and our ring tones should be something decent allah u alim

thank u for your reply.

can you please explain what u mean by decent? because according to you there is no decent music... so what do you mean our ring tone should be something decent?

how about you. Imams make mistake, ok, and u don't? ... do u not listen to any form of music?... you don't watch any TV? don't listen to any radio... not even listen to news channels? where do u get your sources... because whatever u turn on, it has some type of music. that play informercials in the middle of the talk shows. u don't listen to bbc pashto? that plays music before it starts or when it ends...

ta ta ta ta ra ta ... da bbc london dai...

or is there exception?

[Fahd]

Hazrath Anas (R.A.) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: “There will certainly be people from my Ummah who will attempt to legalize fornication, the wearing of silk (for males), the consuming of wine and the use of musical instruments” (Al-Jaamius Sagheer - Pg. 139). Indeed this prophesy of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) is glaring before us. Despite the clear prohibition of the use of musical instruments, great efforts are being made to “legalize” their use. While some people wish to declare all music permissible, others are opening the door slowly by declaring that only the use of the “duff” is permissible. Thus it is necessary to examine the reality of these claims in the light of the Qur’an and Sunnah.

In Surah Luqman Allah Ta’ala declares:

“And among the people are those who purchase idle talk in order to mislead others from the path of Allah in ignorance.”

Hazrath Abdullah bin Masood (R.A.) states emphatically that this verse was revealed regarding singing and musical instruments. The same has been reported from Hazrath Abdullah bin Abbas (R.A.) and Hazrath Jaabir (R.A.) (Tafseer Qurtubi). Thus when these illustrious students of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam), who witnessed the revelation of the aayaat (verses) of the Qur’an are clear that this verse prohibits music and musical instruments, the “view” of any twentieth century “scholar” to the contrary holds no weight.


BLOCK OUT SOUND
Various Ahadith also clearly prohibit music and the use of musical instruments. Hazrath Abdullah bin Umar (R.A.) reports that once Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) heard the sound of the flute of a shepherd. He immediately placed his fingers into his ears (to block out the sound) (Musnad Ahmad). How tragic it is that our beloved Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) blocks his ears to the sound of music but his Ummah opens their ears wide to the same sounds. In another narration Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) is reported to have said: “ Verily Allah Ta’ala has sent me as a guidance and as a mercy to the Believers and He has commanded me to destroy musical instruments” (Musnad Ahmad).


DUFF
As for the duff, it is also a musical instrument and therefore it will primarily be included in the above prohibition. However, some concession was given for the use of the duff on the occasion of a Nikah. The Sahaaba (R.A.), who were the direct students of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) understood the commands of the Qur’an and Hadith far better than we can ever hope to understand. It is reported regarding Hazrath Umar (R.A.) that if he heard the sound of a duff he would immediately send somebody to investigate. If it was found to be the occasion of a Walima, he would not do anything. Otherwise he would go for his whip (i.e. he would forcefully stop the playing of the duff) (Fathul Qadeer - Vol. 6, Pg. 389).


EXTRACTING LAWS
Nevertheless, to extract the laws of Shariah directly from the Qur’an and Sunnah is possible only for one who is a mujtahid [in the calibre of the four great Imaams viz. Imaam Abu Hanifa (R.A.), Imaam Malik (R.A.), Imaam Shaafi (R.A.) and Imaam Ahmad bin Hambal (R.A.)]. Together with an expert in-depth knowledge of the Qur’an and hundreds of thousands of Ahadith, they had also mastered all the numerous sciences pertaining to the Qur’an and Sunnah.
According to the Zaahirur Riwayah (the most authentic narrations) of the Hanafi school of thought, the use of the duff is completely disallowed. Latter day scholars who have attributed a restricted permissibility to the Hanafi school have erred. This complete disallowal is based on the Juristic principle of “saddan lil baab” i.e. to restrict an act that would invariably lead to impermissible actions.
The Shafi’ee Ulama have permitted the use of the duff only on the occasion of a walima subject to several conditions. Allamah Ibn Hajar Makki, Shafi’ee has detailed the various conditions, among which is that the duff should not be beaten in a manner that produces a musical sound, but rather just a simple beating which does not produce any tune or melody. Only the palms may be used to beat the duff and not the fingers. It should also be beaten only for a short while. Having stated this he says that “in our era it is makrooh to beat the duff” (since people cannot fulfil the stringent conditions).
Therefore in the light of the above one should not listen to such nazams which are accompanied by the playing of the duff.


BACKGROUND ZIKR As for the “background zikr,” this should be considered very carefully. What is the purpose of having people say “Allah” in unison in the background? Is it for the purpose of zikr itself? If yes, then why in the background? If the purpose is to create a background effect to make the nazam more entertaining, in the manner that background music is used, this is an extremely dangerous thing. It is abuse of the name of Allah Ta’ala. The name of Allah Ta’ala is not for the purpose of entertainment. If it has been deliberately made to resemble the beating of drums, it will be even more serious and even dangerous for one’s Imaan. One should totally refrain from listening to such nazams.

I LISTEN TO MUSIC AND YEAH ITS HARAM BUT I CANT STOP LISTENING TO MUSIC i hope i do one day ishalla !!

[king-zazai]

thank u for your reply.

can you please explain what u mean by decent? because according to you there is no decent music... so what do you mean our ring tone should be something decent?

how about you. Imams make mistake, ok, and u don't? ... do u not listen to any form of music?... you don't watch any TV? don't listen to any radio... not even listen to news channels? where do u get your sources... because whatever u turn on, it has some type of music. that play informercials in the middle of the talk shows. u don't listen to bbc pashto? that plays music before it starts or when it ends...

ta ta ta ta ra ta ... da bbc london dai...

or is there exception?

what i mean muslims should not put actual music on there ring tones because when we are in sujud no one wants to here ''zema kulay janana'' and its a sin to distract some from there prayer or it just be some kind of ringing but in general just put it on vibrate or find some nature sound or something and no im not perfect and no i rarely watch tv or listen to the radio and NO music alhamdulilah

im telling you this not to get you mad or upset im telling you this because ive been through that whole shaytan music stage and its so addicting and attracting and not worth it... wallahi once you realize how discussing music really is and what its distracting you from (islam) then you will realize where im coming from and you will see your iman grow day by day when you give up this music

and that ta ta ta ta thing no never heard it hehehe but like i said one is actually intentionally listening to music and one is you here by accident and you dont even pay attention to it

[Catya Sher]

^ That is a VERY GOOD POST about the addiction especially in youth music which is
ALL 100% from Shaitan.
Don't forget how some rock stars like Alice Cooper came forward and admitted
in public that they had made 'pacts with the Devil' for fame in exchange for having
their souls used as a vehicle to ruin all the listeners and make them ripe for
Shaitan to in turn use them. Or at minimum, corrupt them so they will wrong lives and go to Hell afterward.

-- Was that a typo on "once you realize how discussing music is"
Did King-Zazai mean "DISGUSTING" - probably ?

YES it IS : and very distracting as he said.
It happens little by little so that one doesn't notice how far away he or she has slid from the Truth.