Recitation of Quran: Debate

[Azmatullah]

Pir Rokhan is not even a muslim, he is an apostate.

Why should we listen to what this spay has to say?

[Michin Khel]

The so called Qira'h is nothing except the sanctification of Arabic and hence the glory of Arab bedoins.

Dear why you are writing in english, for glorification of english people?

It is these type of idiotic acts which has made them proud who do not see anyhting else in the world except Hurma,Imara and Sayyara.[WOMEN,HOUSE AND CAR].

If nowadays arabs are degraded and degenerated, then it doesnt mean that i should deny role of arabs and arabic in islam.

Get out of this stereotyping hypnotic technique by the Arab clergy to enslave your minds.The holy book of arabs needs to be understood at the most as any other holy book of any other nation.

And non-arab muslims are studying Quran. If you consider islam as an arab thing and its messages as arabic hypnotic techniques then either you are an idiot or millions of non-arab muslims are idiots...,.idiots can not be in hundreds of millions so your sanity is doubtful.

No linguist can prove that any one else can write such a book. All are unique.Instead of reading and getting sense from these books including Quran,reciting them is exercise in futility.

so according to you quran is an ordinary book like the books you mentioned?

[abubaker]

Dear why you are writing in english, for glorification of english people?


If nowadays arabs are degraded and degenerated, then it doesnt mean that i should deny role of arabs and arabic in islam.



And non-arab muslims are studying Quran. If you consider islam as an arab thing and its messages as arabic hypnotic techniques then either you are an idiot or millions of non-arab muslims are idiots...,.idiots can not be in hundreds of millions so your sanity is doubtful.

so according to you quran is an ordinary book like the books you mentioned?

well said

[Roshina]

idiots can not be in hundreds of millions so your sanity is doubtful.

That's not true. Just because a million people believe something doesn't make it right. There are more Christians than there are Muslims; does that mean that, in your opinion, Christianity is the right path? Of course you'd disagree that Christians are the real worshipers of God.

So, logically speaking, I must say your thought doesn't make any sense that just 'cause there are hundreds of millions of people, that means they're not idiots.

But that's not the point that anyone's making here, bro. The point is more about reading the Quran just because we're told that we get blessings/rewards for each letter we read (10 sawaabs for each letter!), and so that pushes us to compete with others to see who's gonna read the Quran the most times, especially during Ramadan, WITHOUT understanding it. How many Muslims actually know what they read when they read the Quran? And yet, the Quran tells us over and over that it's sent for guidance, guidance, guidance. But, nope, we've made a monopoly out of religion such that others tell us what Islam says while we just read the Quran without knowing what we're reading. Chanting is what it's called.

[king-zazai]

Swearing and cursing is a sin. I suggest you check your right shoulder and remove shaytan from making you angry, I understand you get fustrated, i also get fustrated when i read pro pakistani garbage, but we need to learn to be calm. Also in regards to the hanging remark, opposition will always be there, you cant kill all of mankind just because you want to. Like my view, there will always be those who object. deraa manan roara jan zazai

Naaa :p------this means like jokin cause admin will kik me out if i do.......but the thing is we can not stay calm with these ignorant ppl they desreve 2 be sum kind of torchered trust me if umar ibn khataab was hearing this garbage u think he wud just stand bak and look noonoo wrora he will act and say wats the truth

[Roshina]

trust me if umar ibn khataab was hearing this garbage u think he wud just stand bak and look noonoo wrora he will act and say wats the truth

Exactly! He (or anyone, really) will say (what they believe is) the truth! They won't sit here and curse people for holding a discussion on the recitation of the Quran or a debate on God's existence.

You think this is the first time in Muslim history when Muslims hold discussions on God's existence? If so, you're quite a few centuries behind, wror jaana me! None of the discussions/debates held on PF or any other Pashtun or Muslim forum are new to this decade or century alone; ALL of them have been held before. There's nothing wrong in our attempt to revive those discussions.

If they're not healthy for you or your faith, simply ignore all the threads related to religion or at least don't respond to them. If you do choose to respond, then kindly share your views pertaining to the discussion instead of cursing people just because they do not agree with you or are willing to think before accepting something.

So far, you've only been cursing at us; you haven't contributed by explaining to us why we're wrong or why we shouldn't do what we're doing or answered any of our questions or concerns/challenges posed in these discussions.

but the thing is we can not stay calm with these ignorant ppl

Ignorant becuase we are pro dialogue, pro discussions, pro thinking? I see. An interesting definition of "ignorance" you got there, bro.

they desreve 2 be sum kind of torchered

Why?

[afghan]

SHAAAAAA DAPPPPP U KUFFFRRR go make another thread this thread is not 4 ur garbage talk.......admin plz remoive his words or da swearing will start :p hehe its like his swearing but trying 2 be smart about it allah has cursed ppl like U u KUFR FACE say that stuff in afghainstan and i wud be front row 2 c u be hanged hehehehehehe

Zazai wora you dont make any sense its very common we cannt bare the truth. God can hear your voice in any language if you believe in it. no wonder we afghans are klling eachother for non-sense, once in the school i asked the teacher if the parents of mohammad will to haven? because they were not muslim. the teacher had no answer, i was told to keep my mouth shut, we should not be raising thsese type of questions. when we have no logical explaination about islam, we say its frobidedn to be discussed.

[karachipashtun]

can you further elaborate I am interested.

[afghan]

I strongly diagree. These questions have been answered like a gazzilion times before and people bother to do their research they will find the answers. Its true that some teachers who are not well educated which is the case with most mullahs in our region, they don't to get annoyed when asked such questions. The problem is not Islam, its the mullahs and teachers who are not well qualified to answer such questions.

Since Mohammad's (SW) father had already died when he was born, he can not be held responsible for not accepting Islam. For someone to be labelled as Kafir they have to reject the message of Islam after it has been conveyed to them clearly which is clearly not the case here. According to most sources though he will go to heaven because he was a pious man according the inhabitants of Quraish tribe in Makkah. Allah knows best.

its an excuse thats what our illitrate mullahs say. most of the Quresh were pagans, mekkah was full of idles. his own uncle did not believe in him and die without embracing islam who raised, protected mohammad from other quresh.

[king-zazai]

Exactly! He (or anyone, really) will say (what they believe is) the truth! They won't sit here and curse people for holding a discussion on the recitation of the Quran or a debate on God's existence.

You think this is the first time in Muslim history when Muslims hold discussions on God's existence? If so, you're quite a few centuries behind, wror jaana me! None of the discussions/debates held on PF or any other Pashtun or Muslim forum are new to this decade or century alone; ALL of them have been held before. There's nothing wrong in our attempt to revive those discussions.

If they're not healthy for you or your faith, simply ignore all the threads related to religion or at least don't respond to them. If you do choose to respond, then kindly share your views pertaining to the discussion instead of cursing people just because they do not agree with you or are willing to think before accepting something.

So far, you've only been cursing at us; you haven't contributed by explaining to us why we're wrong or why we shouldn't do what we're doing or answered any of our questions or concerns/challenges posed in these discussions.


Ignorant becuase we are pro dialogue, pro discussions, pro thinking? I see. An interesting definition of "ignorance" you got there, bro.



Why?

1st off like i sayed and i did answer all ur questions that u think islam is wrong just by 1 state ment which u ignorde or just cause u an atheist who thinks they r smart but wallah u r da WORSTTT of human beings..........

so on that being sayed i dont wanna argue with fools who wont listen or change i dont care if u burn in da deepest parts of hell cause thats where ur headed head 1st HEHEHHEHEHEHE


so ok since u r the most active and is against islam okok i sujject since jews,christains,muslims and all other religiosn r wrong lets all follow qurtagi relgion sounds good??? ok so i wanna be ur student so wats ur belifes????? or religion if u have 1???? cause since everything in Ur eyes is wrong wat shud i follow? or u just argue cause u have no life?????



and 2nd point yes these ppl desreve sum kind of punishment 4 sayng bad things about islam or allah or the rasul(saw) or else fools follow fools and now a days there r soo many dumb pashtuns that they will belive anything so thats y its better 2 eliminate this kind of ppl 4 good

[inqilab]

Zazai wora you dont make any sense its very common we cannt bare the truth. God can hear your voice in any language if you believe in it. no wonder we afghans are klling eachother for non-sense, once in the school i asked the teacher if the parents of mohammad will to haven? because they were not muslim. the teacher had no answer, i was told to keep my mouth shut, we should not be raising thsese type of questions. when we have no logical explaination about islam, we say its frobidedn to be discussed.

The people who came between two prophets were called people of fatra.

The scholars have divided them into two groups with the first group having subdivisions:

1 - To those who the dawah reached
a) The dawah reached them and they accepted it
b) The dawah reached them but they did not accept it

2 - Those who the dawah did not reach and were unaware of the message


Allahs Messengers [s] father was from the first group category b. As it is reported in sahih almuslim #203 that a man came to Allahs Messenger [s] and asked "O Allahs Messenger, where is my father?" He [s] replied "in hell" When the man left he [s] called him back and said "my father and your father are in hell"

So whoever dies upon kufr will be in the hellfire. No matter who they are related to, how much wealth they have or what their status in the world is. If they died upon kufr they will be in hell.

[afghan]

The people who came between two prophets were called people of fatra.

The scholars have divided them into two groups with the first group having subdivisions:

1 - To those who the dawah reached
a) The dawah reached them and they accepted it
b) The dawah reached them but they did not accept it

2 - Those who the dawah did not reach and were unaware of the message


Allahs Messengers [s] father was from the first group category b. As it is reported in sahih almuslim #203 that a man came to Allahs Messenger [s] and asked "O Allahs Messenger, where is my father?" He [s] replied "in hell" When the man left he [s] called him back and said "my father and your father are in hell"

So whoever dies upon kufr will be in the hellfire. No matter who they are related to, how much wealth they have or what their status in the world is. If they died upon kufr they will be in hell.

thanx for your answer. but there were still abrahamic faith existed(judaism and christianity) during the life of mohammad, may be his parents were follower of abrahamic faith. why did he say his father is in hell? dont people go to hell or heaven after the final judgement? Every human,Muslim and non-Muslim alike, is held accountable for his or her deeds and are judged by God accordingly.[Qur'an74:38