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  • The "pronoun" you can be used in 2nd person plural, not third, but this cannot apply when a someone is addressing one person's content or material. The point was not to discuss grammar of pronouns, but to highlight how the change in someone's pattern of behavior reflected cognitive dissonance due to how powerful Truth is.

    In Mathematics the definition of an axiom intrinsically true by it's own condition so that other things can be derived based on it; the common definition is something which is a self evident truth, which is not derived. The matters being discuss here are not have this quality; for us to know their validity, they must be derived and depend on different contexts and conditions for them to follow. That is why we need logic to determine whether they're true or false, that's why logic cannot be avoided.

    If this is friendly discussion, that's fine but when one deals with matters of this nature and are writing to reach an audience. Then it's not merely just a friendly discourse but a subject with an objective and purpose, and to measure if the material is correct, there needs to be something to support it.

    Repeating the same fallacy over again will not make it appear like truth; It's like a horse who is chasing a carrot which is held on a string in front of him, no matter how much he runs after the carrot it never reaches him. Perhaps it's an attempt brainwashing the audience that if something is repeated over again they start thinking it's real. The problem is how can this work when someone is always responding back with logic? The common Pashtun will see that the logical argument has more facts and support and the one that avoided seems incorrect. So the common Pashtun will disregard this argument.

    Originally some people said that Islam is just beliefs because Shari'ah has never existed for 1400 years, then when they were shown wrong, they changed and said they that there has never been an example of Shari'ah except a few years early years and merely Arab politics; when it was shown that even this was wrong, that many of the early Muslims were not even Arabs, like Imam Abu Hanifa; they changed their answer again, and said that the first few years of Islam doesn't prove anything and that it was now Arab-Turk-Persian politics. Do they think the common Pashtun won't notice? EVery common Pashtun will notice how their alterations and laugh at them and then ignore their ideas, because they see the original one was wrong. Originally Arab politics was mentioned to portray that it was ethnic politics, then when other ethnicities came, it transformed to Arab-Turk-Persian; but if all these ethnic groups were involved, then it's no longer Ethno-centric, which is apart of the Islamic Shari'ah standards. The argument even loses more logic by examining it further. The original body of Muslims and how they dealt with problems IS PROOF of Shari'ah, even if we assume it was just a shot period because this was the time period which Islam was formulated; so their actions would have direct guidance from Islamic Rulings in the process.

    The next claim they had no other system to rely on is false. Democracy simply means common people have political power; the Early Muslims chose their Khilafah based on their piety and competence as a leader as instructed by the Qur'anic verse 42:38; this was already enshrined by the Qur'an, Islam and shari'ah are true democracy, not the facade you see in secular capitalist institutions which is basically mind control and manipulation of common people. Even beyond this point, Shari'ah was applied not by arab politics but by directly using Islamic sources as guidance for how to deal with different issues, that's how Fiqh became an appratus which implemented that.

    For proofs of this read the book Al-Ahkam Al-Sultaniyah which is a compedium of how Islamic texts were applied by the Abbasids for solving different social and political issues and ruled over their society.

    In short many people with weak knowledge or utter ignorance try to discourage Islaam and Shari'ah, but like the Persian saying "You can't hide the sun behind two fingers" . They can't hide the truth here.

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    • Originally posted by ScimitarXEdge View Post
      The "pronoun" you can be used in 2nd person plural, not third, but this cannot apply when a someone is addressing one person's content or material. The point was not to discuss grammar of pronouns, but to highlight how the change in someone's pattern of behavior reflected cognitive dissonance due to how powerful Truth is.

      In Mathematics the definition of an axiom intrinsically true by it's own condition so that other things can be derived based on it; the common definition is something which is a self evident truth, which is not derived. The matters being discuss here are not have this quality; for us to know their validity, they must be derived and depend on different contexts and conditions for them to follow. That is why we need logic to determine whether they're true or false, that's why logic cannot be avoided.

      If this is friendly discussion, that's fine but when one deals with matters of this nature and are writing to reach an audience. Then it's not merely just a friendly discourse but a subject with an objective and purpose, and to measure if the material is correct, there needs to be something to support it.

      Repeating the same fallacy over again will not make it appear like truth; It's like a horse who is chasing a carrot which is held on a string in front of him, no matter how much he runs after the carrot it never reaches him. Perhaps it's an attempt brainwashing the audience that if something is repeated over again they start thinking it's real. The problem is how can this work when someone is always responding back with logic? The common Pashtun will see that the logical argument has more facts and support and the one that avoided seems incorrect. So the common Pashtun will disregard this argument.

      Originally some people said that Islam is just beliefs because Shari'ah has never existed for 1400 years, then when they were shown wrong, they changed and said they that there has never been an example of Shari'ah except a few years early years and merely Arab politics; when it was shown that even this was wrong, that many of the early Muslims were not even Arabs, like Imam Abu Hanifa; they changed their answer again, and said that the first few years of Islam doesn't prove anything and that it was now Arab-Turk-Persian politics. Do they think the common Pashtun won't notice? EVery common Pashtun will notice how their alterations and laugh at them and then ignore their ideas, because they see the original one was wrong. Originally Arab politics was mentioned to portray that it was ethnic politics, then when other ethnicities came, it transformed to Arab-Turk-Persian; but if all these ethnic groups were involved, then it's no longer Ethno-centric, which is apart of the Islamic Shari'ah standards. The argument even loses more logic by examining it further. The original body of Muslims and how they dealt with problems IS PROOF of Shari'ah, even if we assume it was just a shot period because this was the time period which Islam was formulated; so their actions would have direct guidance from Islamic Rulings in the process.

      The next claim they had no other system to rely on is false. Democracy simply means common people have political power; the Early Muslims chose their Khilafah based on their piety and competence as a leader as instructed by the Qur'anic verse 42:38; this was already enshrined by the Qur'an, Islam and shari'ah are true democracy, not the facade you see in secular capitalist institutions which is basically mind control and manipulation of common people. Even beyond this point, Shari'ah was applied not by arab politics but by directly using Islamic sources as guidance for how to deal with different issues, that's how Fiqh became an appratus which implemented that.

      For proofs of this read the book Al-Ahkam Al-Sultaniyah which is a compedium of how Islamic texts were applied by the Abbasids for solving different social and political issues and ruled over their society.

      In short many people with weak knowledge or utter ignorance try to discourage Islaam and Shari'ah, but like the Persian saying "You can't hide the sun behind two fingers" . They can't hide the truth here.
      This is exactly the case. This post encapsulates those same issues. It was sort of like in the leadup to Iraq when Cheyney kept repeating the same thing again and again and believed that if hey said it enough, it became gospel truth. What Osho doesnt get is that people who are motivated enough to post under a political thread on a forum already have some opinions forged by some facet of their life and day to day interaction. Some further component is study on the subject. He is attempting to appeal to the fence sitter. However, if the fence sitter is already motivated enough to come here and remains truly objective, they will do exactly as you say. I think even the kalaay malaang has enough sense to understand that conquer or be conquered remains a biological reality. Osho is grasping at straws if he thinks that he can get the kalaaywaal pashtun to suddenly say, "wow, women in the workplace, wallstreet on Kabul, makes a lot of sense!" That individual is use to the fact that there are tribes and the tribes want land and resources. At his most basic level, he sees the Americans as a foreign tribe, but worse, as an infidel that wants to not only take his land, resources, etc... but to also challenge his very being.
      "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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      • If I add Turks and others with Arabs because I did not mention Turks before then I recognize my mistake and I compensate for that by adding new words or ideas. I am not a stubborn kind of ignorant that I dont learn from my mistakes or I dont learn from others, I am here to share and learn. I am flexible and I dont take every thing far granted. People will appreciate that I fulfill the gaps and will not laugh at me. My target is not to win an argument from few individuals here by humiliating others but to learn and share and do some thing good specially for Pashtuns.

        I understand that I have some very new ideas for Pashtuns which may be cataclysmic and I am cognizant of the problems and misconceptions that I have ahead. I am not here to win elections and only to be admired by few but to think of the millions of Pashtuns suffering from decades for having ideas like mixing religion with society and culture and politics. I will learn here and will reach some clear ideas and then will chalk out some pragmatic strategy for the uplift of Pashtuns in the whole world.

        Truth is very relative and thats why we have so many schools of thoughts in religion and philosophy if not so many in social or natural sciences. No body can claim that I have the ultimate truth otherwise the whole process of search and learning new ideas and inventing new things will cease.

        Come on fight for the common cause of the betterment of Pashtuns with a positive and constructive mind and learn and share in an atmosphere pf friendship and magnanimity.

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        • in regards to the topic, don't you guys think this Canadian Muslim professor should tell everyone in Canada, including to himself to go back to the slums of Europe, Asia, and Africa. Canada does not belong to these people, but to the Native Americans who live on the reserves. A genocide was committed against them.

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          • The definition of Truth is rendered as follows;
            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/truth

            It says a "verified and indisputsable fact" another version gives the "actual state of the matter. So by definition of Truth, truth cannot be relative. There maybe relative conditions which determine the truth, but the Truth itself cannot be relative. This would be a logical contradiction. And therefore null hypothesis.

            It's ok if people make mistakes and if something was a mistake it is overlooked; but this is exactly why truth, logic, facts and proper information is needed, because otherwise it gives a misleading and false argument. However even if we ignore the mistakes the argument itself is still in error; because by saying Arab-Turk-Persian Politics, it implies that the ethnic groups had their own political systems which they rallied behind outside of Islam; this is also a logical contradiction, because the interests of the ethnic groups would nullify each other and there would be no Islamic central ideology that binds them. This leads to logical discoherence. When saying "Arab-Persian-Turkish" this implicates that there was a common factor, and that common factor was Islam. The reason why people would laugh isn't because it's different, it's because the logical construct behind the claim would be absurd

            This isn't about winning an argument, it's about making sure Truth is represented well.. At one time Islam was new to people; the problem is the argument itself is not logical and if it's not logical it is seen as absurd and rejected. This is why there will be difficulties, because it makes no sense.

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            • We are going away from the topic but if Taliban, Alqaida, Islamism, Political Islam, Terrorism, etc are truths for one ,these may not be truths for others. For others secularism, neoconservatism, democracy, human rights, capitalism, liberalism etc can be truths and thats why these discussions.

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              • This is PERCEPTION OF TRUTH, not the Essence of Truth; we must make that distinction.

                We test whether the perception of Truth , matches the ESSENCE of Truth, by examining it's logical variables.

                I believe if we do we find that Both the extremist and irrational systems of AlQaeda and Taliban and also the corrupt and immoral system of Secularism both fail. We need the Balanced Ground of Rational Islam, i.e. a rational approach to Islamic System of Life to rectify these imbalances.

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