Canadian Muslim professor: 'If you want sharia law, go back to the hellhole country

[ScimitarXEdge]

Dear SX, if the white men boarded someone on a ship and you find yourself identified with that, get over it, I am sure you were not alive 300 years ago. By same logic,should I go and ransack Bukhara for Uleg Beg killed the yousefzai forefathers in an ambush back in 1300 something.

If you are traumatized by the 'western demonic society', in which you were born, than dedicate your life to improving it and get some professional help. These demons that you see all around you, are just that, "your demons", some of us dont see them, dont care if they are in the closet or in the open and are not afraid of them. Your environment is likely constantly refurbishing cues of demons out to get you, causing pangs of anxiety. In abuse lingo, these are PTSD flashbacks.

As the professor said above, if you cannot find a place in america to stop these voices, go find a hell hole with sharia and relocate. Unfortunately a mutazillah run hellhole has never existed in the history of the world so you may have to tweek the 'wish list' a little. But hey any hell hole may be better than these visions of demons and impending doom.

Couldn't give a flying wombat about what the professor said, no Uncle Tom whether his name is Kanwar or Baygham has any credibility in my eyes. Sure he can make a bunch of Pink faced babboons who originate from Europe happy and they'll cheer him on, but I can read between the lines.

Obviously you can't see a symbolic mnemonic for what it is; I blame this on the fact that you have the inability to compose a intellectually functional thought or use logical thinking in any serious real-world event. If you don't see these "demons" it's not because they're not there, it's just you've become such a subservient spineless coward that you've been deluded/deluded yourself into believing they're your saviors. Remember this talk is symbolic, so no snotty Uncle Tom remarks to appease your Slave Master ok?

Mu'tazilah run "hellhole" was why Europe even had a chance to gain the power it did, the problem was we were too nice and freely gave our knowledge to them, Baghdad, and the Abbasid Khilafah endorsed the Mu'tazilah doctrine and produced the very things you would often remarked of it's beauty and insight. The Muslim scholars of yore knew that this knowledge would eventually end up in the wrong hands and adversely affect the world, it's not so much prophetic as it is foresight. It was unfortunate that the pink faced baboons you worship had this knowledge in their hands before anything could be done. We should have sent them back to Valhalla when we had the chance.

The reality is there's no 600 lbs gorilla at your door step, that's just your own hallucination; it's a Pink faced baboon, a few carefully placed Encrypted modules in their banking systems is how you smash it's face. Won't you join us in changing the landscape of the world?

[ScimitarXEdge]

all I can say about this Professor Kanwar is

What an Uncle Tom

[graveyardofempires]

all I can say about this Professor Kanwar is

What an Uncle Tom

this house slave loves his master more than the master himself.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Dear SX, if the white men boarded someone on a ship and you find yourself identified with that, get over it, I am sure you were not alive 300 years ago. By same logic,should I go and ransack Bukhara for Uleg Beg killed the yousefzai forefathers in an ambush back in 1300 something.
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The difference here is, Ulugh Beg's actions hasn't impaired the Youzefzai or devastated their natural way of life. In fact there's no distinguishable account of the Yousefzai being adversely affected by Ulugh Beg, but no matter. The landscape of the world remained stable irregardless of Ulugh Beg's actions; the landscape of the world even environmentally has been ruined by the pink faced baboon from Northern Europe. So no, that isn't my logic, it is yours or rather your understanding of logic. My logic is the damage that's been done is what's keeping the world in a state of exploitation; it's time to smash the face of it

and then we can peg off the uncle tom cronies who betrayed us and sold us out so that this situation can remain the way it is., the Mahfouz Kanwars of the world.

[Badlun]

In all my posts I try to avoid names and pronouns like you. My target is not to win an argument from few individuals here who are themselves sitting in the developed world but want Taliban and Alqaida for their countries of origin. My target is the 70 million Pashtuns. I dont become happy that by quoting few scholars and those too non Muslims and non Pashtuns I won an argument and my work is done.

Logic is a branch of Philosophy and discussions purely based on logic can be done amongst logicians and philosophers. Here my target is not philosophers and logicians but common Pashtun folk and to chalk out strategies to reach all those millions o Pashtuns through these forums to tell them that its not advisable to play any more in the hands of religious extremists, Taliban and Alqaida. To learn from the experiences of the developed world and to apply the same in their own world. Main things to learn are democracy, development, secularism, modern education, human rights, liberalism and science.

I can quote hundreds of scholars and can do word by word rebuttals of all the arguments but honestly I dont consider it important and I also dont have time for that.Also I believe in creativity and original discussions not just to quote others and make my own argument strong. Why others dont quote me and why I have to quote them all the time. Yes if I write a book or a research article or thesis then I must cite my sources and quote my references. I have written my University thesis and I have done the same there. Here in Internet forums discussions this is not necessary you always write research articles.

My battle is not here with few. I never take their names. I never address them. They are trying to prove that Taliban are right. USA should not help the poor Pashtuns to get rid of the Taliban. Islam is a complete system and this Islam which was never implemented as a complete system in the last 1400 years , they want to promulgate it on the poor Pashtuns.

What they want is no where in the whole world but they want to see it in the world of Pashtuns. If there is no Karzai, no NATO in Afghanistan who will be there. Simply Taliban.I think this is logic. If USA help us then most welcome why we being sitting in USA forgetting our brothers and sisters in Afghanistan.

Theme of the topic is Muslims in Canada and education System. Some one explained earlier. If they are the citizens of Canada then they have to abide by the rules and regulations of that country. And they can do so remaining Muslims as Music and Physical education is not Islam. This is very simple, very obvious and there is no need of any logical premise, or deduction or induction or fallacy or syllogism to prove it.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Osho, how much do you get paid for visiting forums?

[Badlun]

I pay for my internet service and I pay my time and energy. I dont have the rich Arab salafi masters to pay me any thing. Pashtuns for whom I am struggling are not that rich to pay me but if my Pashtuns get developed, democratic , enlightened, educated and prosperous then that will be the million dollar cheque for me.

[graveyardofempires]

I pay for my internet service and I pay my time and energy. I dont have the rich Arab salafi masters to pay me any thing. Pashtuns for whom I am struggling are not that rich to pay me but if my Pashtuns get developed, democratic , enlightened, educated and prosperous then that will be the million dollar cheque for me.

come on dont be shy
tell us how much do you get paid to spew non sense.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I pay for my internet service and I pay my time and energy. I dont have the rich Arab salafi masters to pay me any thing. Pashtuns for whom I am struggling are not that rich to pay me but if my Pashtuns get developed, democratic , enlightened, educated and prosperous then that will be the million dollar cheque for me.

Are you struggling? LOL.
Enlightenment and education does not come through brothels, bombings, depleted uranium, massacres, torture chambers and sodomy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Logic is more than a brand of philosophy; to reduce logic to philosophy is a dishonest portrayal. Logic is how things operate sensibly and truthfully based on things which show consistent with reality as we can observe and relate to. Making excuses for lack of logic is essentially an attempt to avoid explaining how your views are relevant, correct or valid. Pakhtuns too also understand logic and when someone comes and explains why the ideas that is being peddled is not logically correct, then what happens is the audience is lost and these Pakhtuns end up turning the opposite direction. That's why others like BarakzaiAbdali are speaking with logic, because they know that with facts and logic the message is much more powerful and reaches more people, because it has a real foundation to support it. It's not just pretty words, creative writing or hallucinations of people who are enslaved to farangiyan. If one cannot have a logic and fact based argument, then there's no hope to reach even 1 Pakhtun, nevermind 70 Million.

If our concern is not to promote correct ideas that are sensible, then how can our ideas be relevant? How does it benefit people? If people have wrong or flawed ideas then what good is it for them?

These debates/discussions are not simply about defeating an opponent, it's about Truth, and reaching the Truth, and by doing so giving people what they need the most, because it is the Truth and hence is really what is relevant in helping them.

It's easy to say that we wrote a thesis paper with references, but no one has this thesis paper, so what good is saying this to an audience? No one is asking for a research paper, they're merely asking that when a claim is made that there is something actually referentiable and identifiable to support it. Truth is not about trying to make your Arguments look more Creative, it's about revealing reality. If someone wants to prove how creative they are, then they should just stick to writing fiction such as a Novel. If people are more concerned with writing creatively rather than presenting factual arguments then that means they're simplying Lying. Lying can be creative writing too. We're here to know what is Real; for something to be known as real we need something that verifies it. If they're unwilling to verify it, this makes their claims suspect and becomes simply false propaganda.

If someone wants to help poor Pashtuns, lying to them with "creative writing" is not the way, this is cheating them and deceiving them and the people it benefits are the people who want to promote their agenda by perpetuating these lies.

A perfect example is the claim that USA is trying to help poor Pashtuns; this is a lie; The USA and their allies and Progenitors like the British are the reasons why not just Pashtuns but most of the world is in a destitute condition. They have interfered and imposed institutions which inhibit people all over the world from being able to have sustainable relationships with their surroundings. The Taliban didn't create this condition they only inherited it; the reason the Taliban are bad is not because they are strict, but because they dont know how to address problems. The problems themselves are due to the intrusions of Capitalist Hegemony and it's various extensions, such as Nation State invasions by the U.S. and NATO. Really it's a smokescreen really it's a conquest of power and hegemony, not benefiting Pakhtuns. If these people were sincere in helping Pakhtuns, they'd be striving to attack the problem at it's source, not trying justify imperial agendas and conquest. Instead they seem to want to help which harms the world. Furthermore we need to stop being Pakhtun-centric, it's time we stop this closed minded thinking. Pakhtuns are members of the world. The world is as much our responsibility as it is for everyone else as well.

The idea of the Taliban reconquista is a scare tactic to justify Capitalist/NATO Imperial aggression, exploitation and desecration of Afghanistan. The Taliban's crimes are completely tied to the Imperial Agenda, why didn't we hear of suicide bombs before the Imperialists invaded Afghanistan? Why no beheadings then? Whether it was directed by the more in reaction to NATO is irrelevant; it exists in response to NATO/Imperialism. So really the Taliban scare tactic is their own creation; they're giving these Taliban power. Even they're trying to integrate Taliban into the schemata with talks, Taliban members are apart of the police and army. If they're only there to repel the Taliban then it's not working, or maybe it's just a lie. Taliban were actually very weak and powerless back in 2001, they had internal fragmentation. Maybe if Taliban of 2011 were an organized ideology they would be a threat, right now they're broken into pieces inside, so really what's keeping them together is NATO.


People are not "sitting in USA" and forgetting their brothers/sisters elsewhere; the portrayal has a false premise; firstly it has an implicit assumption that the US society is an ideal condition for life, which isn't true; secondly it assumes people living in the U.S. are there to seek refuge in comfort. People have migrated to America or Britain, not as a result of ideal conditions but rather because their institutions have globally interferred with their normal conditions and imposed dependency to have functional resources. There is no desire to emulate a U.S. or British system of life, but rather they're trying to free our world from having to conform with corrupt institutions by developing our skills to be able to deconstruct it. if We spread that furthermore in the East, then it defeats the whole purpose of gaining an education here; which is to abolish it's hegemony and break down it's power grid on the world.

It's also not true that Islaam was not practiced as a way of life, look at the historical accounts of the early Muslims, they applied Islam in every facet of life. Way of life means System of Ethics which operate over human affairs; and this was definitely applied there. It was also applied in Andalusia, in Abbasiyah, even Ghaznawiyah. Even Sher Shah Souri applied it, so did Ahmad Shah ABdali. It was everywhere, to say it never existed in 1400 years just means being blind to history. When Islam is applied it doesn't mean it was a Utopia; it means they applied Islam to solve problems and it worked.

Physical Education and Music is not a rule and regulation of Canada, there is no law of Canada which requires one to participate in these things. I personally have no problem with physical education or music, in fact I feel being physically educated is good. However the way Canada doesn't separate males and females in Physical Education courses then I can understand why parents refuse it. Not everyone feels the same about music. I like music and think it's worthy to learn; but other people feel it's forbidden. I think we cannot impose it on them. Just as long as their behavior doesn't harm any other people; then it's no one's business what they accept. in Canada so many people , White Canadians themselves break the law all the time, by doing drugs or drinking alcohol before age of legality, running traffic lights or stealing. No one says to them, if you live in Canada you have to obey it's rules. It's only done when Muslims become the issuel this is not about Canadian Laws, but power, Canadians feel their culture is losing power in others, and that's what their concern is.

[Baygham]

Couldn't give a flying wombat about what the professor said, no Uncle Tom whether his name is Kanwar or Baygham has any credibility in my eyes. Sure he can make a bunch of Pink faced babboons who originate from Europe happy and they'll cheer him on, but I can read between the lines.

Obviously you can't see a symbolic mnemonic for what it is; I blame this on the fact that you have the inability to compose a intellectually functional thought or use logical thinking in any serious real-world event. If you don't see these "demons" it's not because they're not there, it's just you've become such a subservient spineless coward that you've been deluded/deluded yourself into believing they're your saviors. Remember this talk is symbolic, so no snotty Uncle Tom remarks to appease your Slave Master ok?

Mu'tazilah run "hellhole" was why Europe even had a chance to gain the power it did, the problem was we were too nice and freely gave our knowledge to them, Baghdad, and the Abbasid Khilafah endorsed the Mu'tazilah doctrine and produced the very things you would often remarked of it's beauty and insight. The Muslim scholars of yore knew that this knowledge would eventually end up in the wrong hands and adversely affect the world, it's not so much prophetic as it is foresight. It was unfortunate that the pink faced baboons you worship had this knowledge in their hands before anything could be done. We should have sent them back to Valhalla when we had the chance.

The reality is there's no 600 lbs gorilla at your door step, that's just your own hallucination; it's a Pink faced baboon, a few carefully placed Encrypted modules in their banking systems is how you smash it's face. Won't you join us in changing the landscape of the world?

Such venom, wow, to your own countrymen. Here we are complaining of outside sponsored taliban amongst the pashtoon, God if one day, our own street urchins (especially brought up on donated bread crumbs) become such poisonous snakes, noo khudai um mal sha.

.....................Mu'tazilah run "hellhole" was why Europe even had a chance to gain the power it did, the problem was we were too nice and freely gave our knowledge to them, Baghdad, .................

Read this, applies to you

Two Choorras (cleaning people of the christen minority in most cities in pakistan) were cleaning the streets of Lahore during the time of partition. One Churra asked the other,
"why are the muslims killing the sikhs and Hindus and the sikh and hindus are killing the muslims"
The other older and wiser churra, thought for a moment and than said "yaa loogh azadi mang rahay haan or hum nahi dhay rahaay" (translation: these people are asking for Sovereignty and WE are not giving it to them)


Faith is an amazing thing, it can make a "churra" cleaning the streets of lahore equate himself with his coloneal masters the British. Similarly our brother Maiwand can in one Go jump and proclaim the Glory of African Moors as his. I dont know what to call it, 'delusions of grandeur' or just a 'leap of faith'.

Won't you join us in changing the landscape of the world?

No thankyou, I have enough headaches of my own, to take up the cause of Abbasid harems.

[Alchemist]

No thankyou, I have enough headaches of my own, to take up the cause of Abbasid harems.

umm...just for the record - he didn't ask you to be in his harem ;|

[emkhan]

Dear Osho and others, Islam is not just a religion but its a complete way of life. Its a socio economic system, it has got a judicial system based on justice and equality and the more vital aspect of Islam is its political system which has to emerge soon and u all know that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Just wait and see

[Baygham]

Dear Osho and others, Islam is not just a religion but its a complete way of life. Its a socio economic system, it has got a judicial system based on justice and equality and the more vital aspect of Islam is its political system which has to emerge soon and u all know that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Just wait and see

Thats what we call sharia,

and the places where sharia is imposed are literal hellholes.

Hence, if you crave it so much, go to the hellhole, comment above.

As far as the individuals faith of islam is concerned, that is fine, one can subscribe to anything in private

[Badlun]

I am propagating here some self evident truths or axioms which is democracy, human rights, modern education, development and prosperity. What argument is needed for these universally declared systems, values and rights. For this I dont need any complex logic or arguments. Yes secularism can be controversial but for that I have presented hundreds of valid arguments and will present many more.

My goal is simple to see the Pashtunland as we see any of the G8 country. If some one is against development and democracy then we have diametrical differences but my audience is the one who want to spend thousands of dollars to reach one of these G8 country. I want this G8 to be their own homeland.

Long live development, democracy and human rights.

Our religion is Islam, culture and society is Pashtunwali, economics is free market economy and state controlled capitalism, our politics is democracy and our goal is science and technology and our philosophy is liberalism.

If more arguments are needed then we can have further separate discussions on each one of them where the opposite to the above may be presented which may be Islamism, political Islam, Violent extremism, Communism.dictatorship, monarchy or any thing else.