Mawlid Thread

[شمله ور خراساني]

“Many of the People of the Scripture wish they could turn you back to disbelief after you have believed, out of envy from themselves…” [Quran 2: 109]

[شمله ور خراساني]

“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike…” [Quran 4: 89]and, “If they gain dominance over you, they would be [i.e., behave] to you as enemies and extend against you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they wish you would disbelieve.” [Quran 60: 2]

[شمله ور خراساني]

“Follow [O Mankind] what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies…” [Quran 7: 3]

[Digital Malang]

YouTube - Prophet Mohammad's (pbuh) birthday 12 rabi al- awwal .. Allowed or Not !!

[kandahari ella]

For anyone that lives in Northern California (Bay Area) check out GRAND MAWLID 2011 - The Promised Prophet there's a great series of lectures going on next Sunday. I went last year, and it was wonderful, especially with speakers like Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Imam Zaid Shakir and Ustadh Yahya Rhodus speaking about the Prophet (PBUH).

[Mujib]

For anyone that lives in Northern California (Bay Area) check out GRAND MAWLID 2011 - The Promised Prophet there's a great series of lectures going on next Sunday. I went last year, and it was wonderful, especially with speakers like Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Imam Zaid Shakir and Ustadh Yahya Rhodus speaking about the Prophet (PBUH).

Are you going this year, brother?

[*Mahzala*]

If celebrating the Prophet salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam's birthday was prescribed, it would have been mentioned in books of Sunnah and Ahadeeth. To the contrary of the argument in this thread, there is no such evidence in this favour nor did he make mention of it to his Companions, nor did they make mention of it to theirs. Celebrating his (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) birthday today only suggests our righteous predecessors had some sort of deficiency in their actions and respects and were ignorant of their rights towards the Prophet (salallahu 'alayhi wa salaam) that they did not celebrate this day. He (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is reported to have instructed us not to eulogise him as the Christians did with Isa ('alayhi salaam) which sums up many of the actions of the people of today in regards to displaying their fervour and love for him (salallahu 'alayhi wa salaam). Anything that is done that is not in accordance with Shariah has no reward and is rejected against the authentic sources.

This thread will be monitored, and come to closure if necessary, to ensure we are not stepping out of line.

[Mujib]

If celebrating the Prophet salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam's birthday was prescribed, it would have been mentioned in books of Sunnah and Ahadeeth.

Firstly, dear sister, there certainly is a basis for the celebration of the Noble Birth in the Qur'an and Sunna. Secondly, the prescription of an action is found in the books of fiqh (jurisprudence), and according to the vast majority of the scholars of fiqh, celebrating the Noble Birth is permissible.

The books of sunna are primary sources by which scholars of jurisprudence (fiqh) derive rulings. Our opinions about what is "mentioned" therein or not is of no weight, as we are not scholars of law and not fit to analyze evidence.

Celebrating his (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) birthday today only suggests our righteous predecessors had some sort of deficiency in their actions and respects and were ignorant of their rights towards the Prophet (salallahu 'alayhi wa salaam) that they did not celebrate this day.

This is a strange equation.

1. The Companions saw and lived with the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). They served him with every breath. Every moment of their lives was a celebration of him (Allah bless him and give him peace), a mawlid. And so the premise of the above statement, that the Companions didn't celebrate, is wrong. They always prayed, fasted, sang, and rejoiced in celebration of him.

2. No one suggests that celebrating the Noble Birth is obligatory, either in the law, or as a display of love. Nor does anyone say that celebrating one particular way is the only way of showing love and honor.

He (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is reported to have instructed us not to eulogise him as the Christians did with Isa ('alayhi salaam) which sums up many of the actions of the people of today in regards to displaying their fervour and love for him (salallahu 'alayhi wa salaam).

Can you cite the commentary of a single scholar of hadith that says, in commenting on this hadith, that the way Muslims love and honor the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is what is referred to in the hadith?

The Christians consider Sayyidina `Isa (upon whom be peace) to be God (we take refuge). This is their unequivocal belief. No Muslim says anything similar about the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

Anything that is done that is not in accordance with Shariah has no reward and is rejected against the authentic sources.

Celebrating the Mawlid is permissible according to the Shari`a.

[Mujib]

Unfortunately, these posts are derailing the purpose of this thread. But insha'Allah this will provide clarification for readers.

The following answer from Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam cites Imam Ibn Hajar's (ra) commentary on the hadith referred to above ("Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Messenger."):

The above passage from one of the greatest commentary on Sahih al-Bukhari quite clearly indicates that the prohibition is of giving the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) the rank and status of Allah in any way or form. He is not God, neither a partner of God, nor His son. He is the Servant of Allah and his beloved Messenger (eternal peace and blessings be on him).

This Hadith does not in any way forbid one from praising the beloved of Allah greatly and excessively. Our presence is because of the Messenger of Allah. He is our master, beloved, intercessor and leader. We love him greatly, more than anything and everything in this world. Hence, we should send blessings on him and praise him as much as we can. If we don�t praise the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and show reverence to him, then who will we praise.

As long as one avoids considering the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) being equal to Allah Most High and avoids attributing divinity to him, there is absolutely nothing wrong in exaggerating in his love and praise, as the author of Qasida al-Burda, Imam al-Busayri (Allah have mercy on him) so beautifully said:

Leave what the Christians claim about their Prophet. Then decide and say what you wish in praise of him (Allah bless him & give him eternal peace).

Full answer: Exaggerated Praise of the Prophet of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)

[شمله ور خراساني]

For those who don't know what "mufti" means:

Mufti is a scholar who has reached such a high level that he is entitled to give fatwas. This is usually the case with people who have invested at least 30 years in Islamic sciences.


This so-called "mufti" ibn Adam is probably in his mid 30's. And he dares to comment on Ibn Hajar al Asqalani.

This is the result of the modern sectarian way of issuing "ijaza's".

And very impressive answer.

[kandahari ella]

Are you going this year, brother?

I'm a sister. =)

I'm not sure about this year. It's on a Sunday night so I might have to skip. But I believe these lecturers will be at RIS this year, I'll definitely go there this year Insha'Allah.

[*Mahzala*]

For those who don't know what "mufti" means:

Mufti is a scholar who has reached such a high level that he is entitled to give fatwas. This is usually the case with people who have invested at least 30 years in Islamic sciences.

A level through his understanding of Deen and its various sciences where upon he receives an Ijazah or a license to pass or disapprove certain rulings based on the authentic sources. And just to be sure, to clear our intention, you and I, on this platform, hold no such authority. We are merely conversing our views and exchanging our knowledge.

[شمله ور خراساني]

A level through his understanding of Deen and its various sciences where upon he receives an Ijazah or a license to pass or disapprove certain rulings based on the authentic sources. And just to be sure, to clear our intention, you and I, on this platform, hold no such authority. We are merely conversing our views and exchanging our knowledge.

How dare you? I am not just conversing here. I am the Sheikhul Hadith and Sheikhul Quran of Pashtunforums.com. Simultaneously, I am self appointed Qadhi and Amirul Jaysh.

Aside from that, I am the Imam of Jarh wa Ta'deel.

[*Mahzala*]

Firstly, dear sister, there certainly is a basis for the celebration of the Noble Birth in the Qur'an and Sunna. Secondly, the prescription of an action is found in the books of fiqh (jurisprudence), and according to the vast majority of the scholars of fiqh, celebrating the Noble Birth is permissible.

The books of sunna are primary sources by which scholars of jurisprudence (fiqh) derive rulings. Our opinions about what is "mentioned" therein or not is of no weight, as we are not scholars of law and not fit to analyze evidence.

Can you please name these scholars you refer to? Where there is a difference in the interpretation of such sources is a different story, but the general ruling is that this month shouldn't be singled out to praise, love, honor and remember Rasulullah salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam's sacrifices and teachings. Just as you refer to the abandoning of this practice as a Wahabi or Salafi one, similarly, the practice of it can also be given a label, which often have grave connotations. Instead of merely denouncing a certain view by labeling it, it would be befitting that it is conferred on its sources.

This is a strange equation.

1. The Companions saw and lived with the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). They served him with every breath. Every moment of their lives was a celebration of him (Allah bless him and give him peace), a mawlid. And so the premise of the above statement, that the Companions didn't celebrate, is wrong. They always prayed, fasted, sang, and rejoiced in celebration of him.

2. No one suggests that celebrating the Noble Birth is obligatory, either in the law, or as a display of love. Nor does anyone say that celebrating one particular way is the only way of showing love and honor.

Strange, maybe when applied to this example only, however when considering any innovation, that is the message being sent across.

Sure I agree, their fervour, love and honour for his presence had no match, however, the latter part of your comment is flawed. They didn't exercise their acts of worship for him. Yes, by all means, his ways were something they adhered to, but it wasn't done for him or in 'celebration of him.' The Companions didn't celebrate his birthday, nor did Rasulullah himself. The Muslim should love, respect, honour and obey the Prophet salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam and give his words precedence over the words of any other human being, but it is not permitted to exaggerate about him, or to raise his status above that which has been bestowed upon him by Allah, or to call on him instead of Allah, because this is a violation of the rights of Allah, and involves directing acts of worship to someone other than Allah, when they should only be directed towards Allah.

As per your second point, celebrating it altogether is an act rejected, so it is futile discussing to what level it should be implemented.

[Mujib]

Can you please name these scholars you refer to?

Imam Ibn Rajab, Imam Ibn Hajar, Imam al-Suyuti, and others (Allah be pleased with them).

Where there is a difference in the interpretation of such sources is a different story, but the general ruling is that this month shouldn't be singled out to praise, love, honor and remember Rasulullah salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam's sacrifices and teachings.

No one says that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) should be praised, loved, and honored only during one month of the year. There are mawlids throughout the year.

They didn't exercise their acts of worship for him. Yes, by all means, his ways were something they adhered to, but it wasn't done for him or in 'celebration of him.'

I didn't say they performed acts of worship for him. "In celebration of him" means they celebrated him; his (Allah bless him and give him peace) creation, his birth, his coming were part of their celebration, part of what they thanked Allah for.

The Companions didn't celebrate his birthday, nor did Rasulullah himself.

The Companions celebrated every single thing about him (Allah bless him and give him peace). His noble birth was the birth of their and our salvation; how can it not be celebrated? And again, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) himself commemorated the day of his birth; the hadith is in Sahih Muslim.

As for tawassul and istighatha, that is an unrelated discussion. If you'd like to discuss it, perhaps you can open another thread for it.