Who needs a man!

[ScimitarXEdge]

No, it is not. The rule was created by men to stop other men from looking at their women. Get with the program.

That's totally untrue, and has been demonstrated repeatedly by Sociobiology.

In Ancient Babylon for example, it was common for men to put women on display as a sign of their Prestige; let's be intellectually honest here.

Even if you're not being serious, you're peddling indoctrination not Truth, "get with the program".

[graveyardofempires]

But then, you only find comfort in whatever defines truth for you based on a presupposition of what truth is. I find that truth is that which sets the bar equal for men and women.

we arent interested in you?Man!

[ScimitarXEdge]

But then, you only find comfort in whatever defines truth for you based on a presupposition of what truth is. I find that truth is that which sets the bar equal for men and women.

You're trying too hard to respond back and your retort made absolutely no sense, which is fine, women are generally not disposed for analytical thinking nor are men who want to feminize themselves, truth is truth; that's what makes it denoted as truth, it's free of any obstructions, there's no presupposition.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

But then, you only find comfort in whatever defines truth for you based on a presupposition of what truth is. I find that truth is that which sets the bar equal for men and women.

You are getting crushed by Edge. I will followup on this tomorrow as I have, true to form, become tired. Its a man thing.

[Abeille]

That's totally untrue, and has been demonstrated repeatedly by Sociobiology.

In Ancient Babylon for example, it was common for men to put women on display as a sign of their Prestige; let's be intellectually honest here.

Even if you're not being serious, you're peddling indoctrination not Truth, "get with the program".

Well, in the end all that matter is my relationship with god. I think that is how one should measure whether one is on the right path or not, not what some "man" says.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Well, in the end all that matter is my relationship with god. I think that is how one should measure whether one is on the right path or not, not what some "man" says.

But as God formulated nature, the relationship to God must come through nature and since God made men and women and each reflect a complimentary aspect of Nature, there is no relationship to God without understanding the complimentary features of men and women. Only that can be the right path.

without it any claim of a relationship with God or the right path is empty jargon.

[Abeille]

You're trying too hard to respond back and your retort made absolutely no sense, which is fine, women are generally not disposed for analytical thinking nor are men who want to feminize themselves, truth is truth; that's what makes it denoted as truth, it's free of any obstructions, there's no presupposition.

There are a lot of assumptions in your post. From what I gather, you don't like feminists. Am I surprised? Of course, not. As I said earlier, it was expected that those who would oppose my views would be men. I don't think you understand what feminism is, at least not from a Muslim's perspective.

[faye]

ha..

You are getting crushed by Edge. I will followup on this tomorrow as I have, true to form, become tired. Its a man thing.

so abeille is on the crushing edge. b.a. you poor old thing

[Abeille]

But as God formulated nature, the relationship to God must come through nature and since God made men and women and each reflect a complimentary aspect of Nature, there is no relationship to God without understanding the complimentary features of men and women. Only that can be the right path.

without it any claim of a relationship with God or the right path is empty jargon.

I gather you are against homosexuality? Don't you know that it is natural to be a homosexual?

[graveyardofempires]

i gather you are against homosexuality? Don't you know that it is natural to be a homosexual?

wtf

[ScimitarXEdge]

There are a lot of assumptions in your post. From what I gather, you don't like feminists. Am I surprised? Of course, not. As I said earlier, it was expected that those who would oppose my views would be men. I don't think you understand what feminism is, at least not from a Muslim's perspective.

There are no assumptions in my post; what happened is , your artificially habituated senses felt conflict with it.

I don't dislike or hate anyone, I don't even think feminism is the right term to use for feminists, I just believe it's irrationality dealing with gender relations. And yes I don't like irrationality.

DaZahroJam and Babo are females and they also opposed your views, but even if it was only Males who opposed your views. So what? To assume that denotes anything is a Genetic Fallacy, a logically false premise. See what I mean by not being disposed by analytical thinking?

in Islam there is no feminism or Mascluninism, there's only God and Nature and the role each play in the Oneness of Nature which reflects the Oneness of God. The idea of Gender based movements is a feature of Imperialist Doctrines due to their own inability to balance with Nature, and they have projected this on other things, even Islam, it's not intrinsic to Islamic Thinking.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I gather you are against homosexuality? Don't you know that it is natural to be a homosexual?

I don't know if it's "natural" there is a chance that homosexuality is caused by things outside the individuals power; but this doesn't mean it's "natural" it doesn't have any ecological significance within a species.

[Abeille]

in Islam there is no feminism or Mascluninism, there's only God and Nature and the role each play in the Oneness of Nature which reflects the Oneness of God. The idea of Gender based movements is a feature of Imperialist Doctrines due to their own inability to balance with Nature, and they have projected this on other things, even Islam, it's not intrinsic to Islamic Thinking.

Where is your prove for this? And why do Muslim feminists have so much momentum nowadays?

[Roshina]

Would you tell men that they don't need women either? Or would you consider that a call for misogyny?

It looks to me like you confuse interdependence with independence. What you want to say, I assume, is that a woman should not be subjugated by a man. But you make it seem as though we don't need men at all, as if men are useless. If that's the case, what do we need women for?

A woman's independence should not be and is not subject to her need or lack of need for a man. I am fully independent, and I'm entirely supportive of women's independence. But I need men as much as men need me (a woman) because this world requires the existence of women, men, and all other genders around us.

Maybe you don't need a man, but I certainly do. No, not because I can't take care of myself, not because I need him to suck up his money, or to use him to feed my children, or to use him to have a child. But I need men as much as I need women. I need my beloved (he's a man) for a million things I don't need to mention, I need my father (he's a man) for a million things I don't need to mention as much as I need my mother, I need my male teachers as much as I need my female teachers, and so on.

So I think your argument needs some clarification. Yes, we have developed the valor and space to finally speak our mind as women; we can finally say that we are just as capable of interpreting a religious text as men are, we are just as intelligent (if not more) as any other human can be, but what does this have to do with needing a man or a woman?

[Abeille]

I don't know if it's "natural" there is a chance that homosexuality is caused by things outside the individuals power; but this doesn't mean it's "natural" it doesn't have any ecological significance within a species.

Unless, you have biological evidence that supports your views, you should accept it at face value when someone says they are a homosexual.