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    a washington based NGO International Center for Religion and Diplomacy (ICRD) has been assigned the objective of modernizing the syllabus for madrassahs in Pakistan, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Sudan, Indonesia and many other muslim countries. This NGO is funded mainly by THE GRAND PRIORY OF THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR IN SCOTLAND, about which they brag about on their website "run by one of our Order’s Knights". ICRD also receives financial support from The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem and the State department.



    Pakistan: U.S. Program Seeks To Reform Madrasahs

    February 06, 2007
    By Andrew F. Tully

    (AFP)

    WASHINGTON, February 6, 2007 (RFE/RL) -- A major irritant in relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan has been the charge that many of Pakistan's Muslim religious schools, madrasahs, teach intolerance and help recruit young men to the Taliban, which has become a resurgent threat in Afghanistan.

    Madrasahs also have been blamed for making Al-Qaeda attractive to young Pakistanis. A U.S. think tank has been involved in an initiative to foster understanding between these schools and the West. On February 5, Douglas Johnston, the president and founder of the International Center for Religion and Diplomacy (ICRD), brought two Pakistani Muslim leaders to Washington to take part in a panel discussion of madrasah reform.

    Johnston said he and his colleagues decided nearly four years ago that it was time to address the issue of the Pakistani madrasahs.

    Beyond Rote Learning

    The ICRD is working to persuade the madrasahs to expand their curriculums beyond religious subjects to include disciplines such as mathematics and social studies and to move beyond rote learning of the Koran to exercises in critical thinking. Another goal is to promote conflict resolution through religious tolerance.
    "We appealed to their own heritage, pointing out how many pioneering breakthroughs in the arts and sciences -- even religious tolerance -- took place under Islam 1,000 years ago," Johnston said. "And when they start listening to that and thinking about it -- you hear it enough times, all of a sudden you walk a little taller and think, 'Hey, maybe we can do better.'"


    Johnston says starting the program was difficult because the administrators of many madrasahs felt changing curriculums might mean compromising their religious principles. But he said he and his colleagues took vital steps to win their trust.

    First, Johnson said, the madrasah administrators themselves were given responsibility for making the changes. That way they didn't feel as if anything was being imposed on them or their students. He says the second step was to make the changes in a historical context.

    "We appealed to their own heritage, pointing out how many pioneering breakthroughs in the arts and sciences -- even religious tolerance -- took place under Islam 1,000 years ago," Johnston said. "And when they start listening to that and thinking about it -- you hear it enough times, all of a sudden you walk a little taller and think, 'Hey, maybe we can do better.'"

    'Winning Hearts And Minds'

    Johnson said his group soon attracted madrasah leaders even from the Wahhabi and Deobandi movements, two conservative movements in Islam. Eventually, he said, not only was the ICRD team teaching madrasah leaders, but some madrasah leaders were beginning to teach their colleagues.

    "What I would call all of this is the 'winning the hearts and minds' phase," Johnston said. "And once we get a critical mass on that, which won't be very long from now, we're going to have to come up with the kind of resources that are needed -- significant resources -- to provide textbooks in the new disciplines in Urdu, and to provide teachers in those disciplines as well."

    Two of the Pakistani Muslim leaders in the ICRD program -- Hafiz Khalil Ahmed of a Deobandi school in Quetta and Qazi Abdul Qadir Khamush, a Wahabbi leader -- accompanied Johnston to the presentation.

    Ahmed said it was important for him to speak out to make sure the world understands that Pakistani madrasahs aren't schools of hatred. According to Ahmed, the students at these institutions are too isolated from international politics to harbor a worldview intolerant of different religions and cultures.

    From what little they know of politics, Ahmed said, they believe that if anyone is promoting militancy, it is the government of Pakistan itself.

    Khamush agreed. He said there was no talk of jihad, or holy war, until the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. He said most people in Pakistan supported resistance to the Soviets.

    But Khamush said that when the Soviets withdrew 10 years later, thought of war ended for most people in the region -- except for those who knew nothing but fighting. He said these men created new groups to protect what they saw as a threatened Islam.

    Broader Implications

    Khamush said the reforms advocated by Johnston and the ICRD are working well at madrasahs in Pakistan. And Johnston said the initiative could reap benefits far beyond Pakistan.

    "Why this is important is not just because it's going to provide a better future for the children of Pakistan, which it is," he said. "But I think all of our children have a stake in this, just because if sort of gets right at the perceived heart of the global war on terrorism."

    But Johnston said the initiative can't work in a vacuum. He called for the cooperation of the governments of both Pakistan and the United States to help its chances of success.
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    In my opinion there is no need of any mad-rassa in the first place.It is a source of child abuse and child molestation.What is beign taught has no application whatso ever in the practical life.The style of life which is taught lacks self respect as the source and means of income totally depends upon charity and begging for meals in a formal manner.The youngsters should be inducted into schools and taught useful things according to the requirement of the age and stage of the society they live in so that they can earn an honest and respectable living.

    Till 10th to 12th grade the subjects should have basic academic and vocational skills. After 12th grade they can opt for theology as a speciality like other professional and functional specialisations for example medicine,info tech,engineering , fine arts etc.There is no point to manufacture clones and stereotypes who learn some arabic texts books by heart which has no relevance to Afghans or other nations. Afghans are not born to glorify bedoin kings and the outdated and obsolete interpretations of their hired slave shaikhs.

    There are already a lot of sold out clergymen for the kings in Saudi Arabia who officially lick their balls in a lot of revered forms to deceive the world and hence lack the courage to say a single word even in their khutba (sermons) against the monarchy -which has got a fatwa (verdict) from these shaikhs to extend the boundaries of his palace to haram [masjidul haram] so they do not have to move their ass to kaaba for prayers and round trips.
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    • #3
      Lets just keep your wild fantasy regarding sexual relationship between Saudi scholars and their king out of here.

      Thats not what this topic is about.


      Originally posted by pir_Rokhan View Post
      In my opinion there is no need of any mad-rassa in the first place.It is a source of child abuse and child molestation.What is beign taught has no application whatso ever in the practical life.The style of life which is taught lacks self respect as the source and means of income totally depends upon charity and begging for meals in a formal manner.The youngsters should be inducted into schools and taught useful things according to the requirement of the age and stage of the society they live in so that they can earn an honest and respectable living.

      Till 10th to 12th grade the subjects should have basic academic and vocational skills. After 12th grade they can opt for theology as a speciality like other professional and functional specialisations for example medicine,info tech,engineering , fine arts etc.There is no point to manufacture clones and stereotypes who learn some arabic texts books by heart which has no relevance to Afghans or other nations. Afghans are not born to glorify bedoin kings and the outdated and obsolete interpretations of their hired slave shaikhs.

      There are already a lot of sold out clergymen for the kings in Saudi Arabia who officially lick their balls in a lot of revered forms to deceive the world and hence lack the courage to say a single word even in their khutba (sermons) against the monarchy -which has got a fatwa (verdict) from these shaikhs to extend the boundaries of his palace to haram [masjidul haram] so they do not have to move their ass to kaaba for prayers and round trips.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sangar View Post
        Lets just keep your wild fantasy regarding sexual relationship between Saudi scholars and their king out of here.

        Thats not what this topic is about.

        Sangar...Does it hurt that the world has put its attention on these ISI camps that produce one of the worlds most backward, cruel and crazy lunatic people?

        Or would you, a student of Europe still support such boring backward maddrasa's?

        You see, ive got two cousins, one decided to join a Madrasa, the other one refused, out come is, the one who refused has become a Doctor, the one who went to one, is a lunatic salafi who supports beheading people.

        Madarassahs are just the trash HQ that ISI and CIA invented to fight of Soviets, most of their books are produced in university of nebraska lol. how do you know what they teach the kids is actually want americans want you to beleive and follow. Oh come as if American Army can not finish Taliban, even a Taxi drive if given enough bribe can direct you to nearly every known Taliban militant in Pakistan lol

        Its all a game for Politics not Relgion.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sangar View Post
          Lets just keep your wild fantasy regarding sexual relationship between Saudi scholars and their king out of here.

          Thats not what this topic is about.
          Sangar Khana

          Are you really that weak in understanding basic English or was I over-estimating your cognitive abilities?

          Please read my post again with a cool head. I wont reply to any of your post that too in a sweating state at 1 am in a aweful night with no power if you show this much indifference.I dont know how could a student of Politics got stuck in religion.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by pir_Rokhan View Post
            Sangar Khana

            Are you really that weak in understanding basic English or was I over-estimating your cognitive abilities?

            Please read my post again with a cool head. I wont reply to any of your post that too in a sweating state at 1 am in a aweful night with no power if you show this much indifference.I dont know how could a student of Politics got stuck in religion.
            If you think that everyone who seeks higher learning in social sciences should become an apostate, than I have news for you. There are more devout Muslims studying and graduating in exact and social sciences than there are bigotted ethno-fascists.
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            • #7
              If the devout Muslims can defend their thoughts intellectually and give an alternative system of socio-politico-economic system or a concept of life and universe based on a scientificaly verifiable and falsifiable basis, which could turn Afghanistan or their own country to a modern state with human rights ensured along with a techno creative culture then I do not have any problem with them.

              I reflected because you talked about Madrassa and I think that one in a million grad. from our contemporary madrassas would even understand what are they missing if we give them the benfit of doubt of being able mentally to be upto mark in learning the modern sciences if given the opportunity.

              I am not an ethno fascist but a pro Afghan Pashtun who is interested to analyse critically the reasons and causes of the backwardness and poor state of affairs the Afghans are going through both in Pakistan and Afghanistan and propose a possible solution to get Afghans out of the cannon fodder role they have been engaged in for the last few centuries.

              And let me dare say, though it would hurt your reverence, that I consider the prevalent religion to be one of its cause. I am however open to debate on this as well as any of my other apprehensions without labelling anyone insane.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by pir_Rokhan View Post
                If the devout Muslims can defend their thoughts intellectually and give an alternative system of socio-politico-economic system or a concept of life and universe based on a scientificaly verifiable and falsifiable basis, which could turn Afghanistan or their own country to a modern state with human rights ensured along with a techno creative culture then I do not have any problem with them.

                I reflected because you talked about Madrassa and I think that one in a million grad. from our contemporary madrassas would even understand what are they missing if we give them the benfit of doubt of being able mentally to be upto mark in learning the modern sciences if given the opportunity.

                I am not an ethno fascist but a pro Afghan Pashtun who is interested to analyse critically the reasons and causes of the backwardness and poor state of affairs the Afghans are going through both in Pakistan and Afghanistan and propose a possible solution to get Afghans out of the cannon fodder role they have been engaged in for the last few centuries.

                And let me dare say, though it would hurt your reverence, that I consider the prevalent religion to be one of its cause. I am however open to debate on this as well as any of my other apprehensions without labelling anyone insane.
                Your analysis is biased. And you labelling religious people insane and stupid and questioning peoples cognitive abilities only affirms this fact.
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                • #9
                  When you pass a fatwa owing to your emotional compulsions and as your favourite hobby , as a result of misunderstanding my post, please elaborate a little bit how this revelation gets bestowed upon your blessed and rightly guided heart - the "qalb ul saleem",so atleast I should know which part you did not understand properly.And consequently I start my futile effort of exaplaining it again to the religeous folks.
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                  • #10
                    Madrassa's are great! I am studying in a Madrassa and I am learning a lot of stuff.

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                    • #11
                      Everything. From the Big Bang to the Establishment of the Khilfah in the near future inshallah. So prepare for it.

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                      • #12
                        The US used to have somewhat good relations with Muslims, the US even got the Caliph to endorse the invasion of the Philippines.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by imb706 View Post
                          The US used to have somewhat good relations with Muslims, the US even got the Caliph to endorse the invasion of the Philippines.
                          the caliph who endorese the invasion of philipines was a joker. He was an unjust ruler.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sangar View Post
                            the caliph who endorese the invasion of philipines was a joker. He was an unjust ruler.

                            But America also got the support of Salafist Khalifate supporters to invade Iraq, what he also an unjust ruler, can you show me where it says you can accept help from a Kuffur in your salafist text books?

                            Did you find this Maiwand fom your ISI madrasah in Holland?

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                            • #15
                              No ISI is our enemy. And we don't consider the current rulers of the muslim world real muslims. They are taghood (idols).

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