Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan: “al-Aqsa Is Weeping For Another Ayyubi"

[Maiwand]

The forces of good and evil and truth and falsehood which are fighting for Palestine is nothing new but rather the history of this sacred land is full of strife where the holy sites of 3 heavenly religions are found. A permanent rivalry and conflict has been continuing between its rightful owners and false claimants.
The forces of self-proclaimed false deities are bent on harming it. These forces have taken Israel as their lord and are determined to set flames to one of Islam’s holiest sites, Al Aqsa mosque. Their objective is nothing more than to eradicate all signs of Islam and Muslims from their rightful land.

The conqueror, the warrior, Salahuddin Ayubi (R.H) said to his soldiers while describing this holy land: “My dear colleagues, remember Rabbi-ul-Awwal of the year 16th Hijri when Amr bin Aas (R.A) and his fellow soldiers liberated Jerusalem from the disbelievers. The Khalifa, Umar bin Khattab (R.A) visited this holy place at that time. Bilal (R.A) also accompanied him. People were longing to hear the voice Bilal (R.A) who had remained silent since the passing away of Muhammad S.A.W. He had left the Azan (calling of prayer) but upon entering Masjad Aqsa, the Khalifa, Umar (R.A) told him: Bilal (R.A), Masjid Aqsa and the walls of Bait-al-Maqdas have not heard the voice of Azan for a very long time! Will you not give the first Azan after its freedom? So Bilal (R.A) gave the Azan for the first time after the passing away of Muhammad SAW. When he said “I bear witness that Muhammad is his Messenger”, the whole mosque was shaken by wailing of those present.

Aqsa in our time is also longing for Azan. 92 years, this mosque and its walls have been waiting for a muezzin. Remember, the Azan of Aqsa is heard all over the world. Crusaders are trying to slaughter this call so always keep this great cause in front of you. This is not going to be an ordinary fight, we are going to be writing that part of history with blood which Amr bin Aas and his colleagues had written but those who came after them marred it with black ink. If you want to meet your lord with beaming foreheads and if you want the coming generations to put flowers on your graves then you have to put that pulpit inside Aqsa mosque which was built for this purpose 20 years ago by Nooruddin Zinki (R.H).” Bait al Maqdas still exists as a perfect monument. It is a place where the chamber of Dawood A.S. and the throne of Sulaiman A.S. were. It also has the great mosque mentioned in the Quran from where Imam ul Anbiyah SAW lead all the Prophets in prayer on the night of Mi’raj (Ascension). This is Masjid al Aqsa. Yes! This is the same Masjid al Aqsa usurped by the Jews. Whose doors are closed shut for Muslims. Its sanctities are being violated. It is being desecrated. It is a place where Muslims are greeted with bullets. Bait al Maqdas is now a place where the blood of Muslims has been spilt by the hands of filthy Jews.

Kalid bin Walid R.A. was one of the first persons to wage Jihad against Jews to take back its control. This fight is still ongoing today and it will continue until the world is free from injustice and oppression. The patience, sacrifices and blood of Palestine will definitely bring colors until it is freed from the evil hands of Jews and until they are expelled from its villages. Masjid al Aqsa’s walls are once again weeping for another Ayubi …

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SubhanAllah, the army with the black flags from Khorasan has strengthened and they are on the verge of victory in Khorasan and they will soon liberate A-Aqsa, inshallah:

Prophecy Fulfilled

Soon this imposter state of Israël will go to the garbage bin of history! and the real Khilafah wil be established on the prophetic way!

The unconquerable Afghanistan (Taliban) !!!

[Catya Sher]

My favorite picture there at the top of the page - with the horses galloping to capture al-Quds, yippee!

I have only watched the first video so far. I keep wondering who is this
Abdul Hakeem from Russia - anyone know about his past and which city he is from ? Curious, as that's SO unusual.

Will watch the rest soon. I especially like that Sheikh Imran Hosein, glad to see him back !

[ScimitarXEdge]

On one hand I have to agree with you and another hand disagree with you.

On the one hand the "Jihad" fanaticism is of course a basturdization and corruption of the real intent and motive of Jihad. Jihad is both offensive and defensive, BUT,there is strategy, diplomacy and most of all the duty to uphold a standard of morality and justice which should represent the trademarks of Jihad. This is certainly not evident in the likes of radical groups who will target innocent minorities more in the way of mob bigotry and not true and authentic Struggle against corrupt or oppressive forces; the true Jihad.

Now on the issue of Palestine in contrast to Pashtunistan and Balouchistan. We can all agree many of the Arab States have steered the Palestine issue as a weasling for their own agenda, but this does not however denounce the legitimacy of Palestinian aparteid and occupation. It's a very literal occupation, with forced attrition, and expulsion of the inhabitants not unlike what had happened to the Native Americans by the hands of Northern European Imperialists. Therefore it's legitimacy is established regardless of who might malign it on moral grounds and grounds of social justice.

Pashtunistan and Balouchistan are a more smoky matter. While I fully concur with Pashtunistan regarding the grievous injustices of the state of Pakistan. The State of Pakistan was established as a secular state for Muslims, not a state based on any sort of scriptural references. It is also not an Ethno-Centrically based state at least on paper (we can argue about the Punjabi hegemony later). The movement against Pakistan is one based against Pakistani injustices and therefore not for the sake of any ethnocentric statehood motives but to uproot the Pakistani Convivance with Neo-Imperial powers and agenda and ultimately dissolve the establishment which enables that. Why it does not focus on Balouchistan and Pashtunistan can be summarized as follows: A.) Both causes are PURELY Ethnocentric, it makes no sense to fight something that oppresses Muslims (Pakistan) for something that divides Muslims (ethnocentric statehood). B.) While the social , cultural and civil rights of peoples, especially Muslims and oppressed peoples should be a top priority for Muslims everywhere, especially in countries primarily inhabited by Muslims; the historical track record of Ethnocentric movements such as Pashtunistan and Balouchistan has been tarnished greatly because of allegiances with former Socialist Governments who also had their own Imperial designs in Muslim central Asia and the Caucaus region. C.) This hurt the reputation of those causes indefinitely by making them appear as merely dividers and proxy agencies of such aggressions as was evident during Afghanistan when it was a Soviet Satellite with it's assaults on Muslims and fellow ethnic brethren in Afghanistan using their lackeys in the Khalq and PDP who were Pro-Pashtunistan in doing so. appeared that their actions were in step with the age old "Divide and Rule" tactic of Imperialists of old.

Now this doesn't mean that Pashtunistan or Balouchistan are not legitimate causes. In their context with Pakistan they are, both on religious grounds and grounds of social justice in general. This is an explanation of why those causes have not taken sway with Muslims on the whole and Palestine has.

[Dreamer]

Okay. I dont understand how all this Jihadi fanaticism is tolerated here on this forum.
Secondly, there are more genuine and praiseworthy causes in the Islamic world than the cause of Palestine. For example, the Kurdistan, Pashtunistan and Balochistan causes. Why this obsession with Palestine? This hypocrisy is very innate to the Muslim peoples. In the 1974 OIC conference in Lahore, the representative of Afghanistan condemned the OIC and the Arabs of hijacking the OIC for a purely Arab cause and overlooking the attrocities in Pashtunistan and Balochistan by the very state they were currently in.
Thirdly, the Jewish people have a right to a homeland of their own in the land they were evicted from thousands of years ago. Why cant the Muslims accept this?
Fourthly, the blame for the Middle East issue lies primarily with the Arab despots because they rejected the 1948 division of British Mandate Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. Though I opposse the State of Israel on the ground that I opposse any state that is established through religious scriptures and religious claims (something in common between Israel and Pakistan), for the Muslims to opposse it is not understandable.

sorry but the bulk of modern jewery is decended from converts to Judiasim... they are as semetic as u and I are.... they came fgrom Europe not the middle east and were very happy there till they got booted out in the 40s by the west... if the west booted them out let the west give them a piece of land to form a homeland

[Catya Sher]

Heh Heh, good point ScimitarXEdge, number C.
X-cellent!

Dreamer, are you saying what Ahmadinejad said? Or are you arguing that it was just fine for Britain and the US to hand over Palestine to the Jews?

Ahmadinejad said to the West [paraphrasing here]: "Look this wasn't OUR problem: YOU are the ones who treated the Jews so badly. Find them a place on your OWN territory.
Don't inject a huge thorn into our sides here in the Middle East, since we had nothing to do with their persecution."

By the way even to this day, the Jews of Iran are very patriotic Iranians.

The Zionists keep trying to probe for problems but there are so few to bring out to complain about. Most Iranians Jews feel fairly content. So there is not the fodder for inflammatory FOX News reports to enrage American Jews into wishing to attack Iran.

[Toramana]

.......

There is nothing so moral to any version of Jehad whether the hypothetical, never-put-to-practice form of ethical Jehad (of the apologists of Islam) or the macabre, only-form-of-Jehad-in-practice-so-far (of the fanatics of Islam). Predatory instincts of land-grabb, lure of war booty, lust of slaves and cancubines, etc. are at work in both cases. Similar motives drive all imperial wars whether in the east or in the West...

This is certainly not evident in the likes of radical groups who will target innocent minorities more in the way of mob bigotry and not true and authentic Struggle against corrupt or oppressive forces; the true Jihad.

Is this abhorence of mob-bigotry really real?

Pashtunistan and Balouchistan are a more smoky matter. While I fully concur with Pashtunistan regarding the grievous injustices of the state of Pakistan.

This "typical" stance/tactic smacks of Pakistaniyath, when it uses Islam to stagmatise the struggle of captive nations for political rights. Few Afghans may be so conversant in Pakistani style of politics and diplomacy vis-a-vis the cause of Pashtuns, Baluchis, and other oppressed groups and so precisely strike the right strings when discussing the nationalities issue in Pakistan .

The State of Pakistan was established as a secular state for Muslims, not a state based on any sort of scriptural references.

Far from being a secualr state (that Pakistani apologists try to portray as), the concept of Pakistan has communal and ideological basis rooted in "two-nation" theory and Pakistan Ideology as indicated by the very acronym PAKISTAN, which means "Land of the pure" .

It is also not an Ethno-Centrically based state at least on paper (we can argue about the Punjabi hegemony later).

One can call it an ethno-centric state in the sense that the main thrust of its statehood is to ensure the economic, political, and cultural control of the Indo-Aryan component of its polity over the rest. Islam as an instrument of politics comes in handy in that.

The movement against Pakistan is one based against Pakistani injustices and therefore not for the sake of any ethnocentric statehood motives but to uproot the Pakistani Convivance with Neo-Imperial powers and agenda and ultimately dissolve the establishment which enables that.

The Baluch/Pashtun struggle is directed at the neocolonial hold of the Punjabi-Mahajar elite which rules the rest using Islam...I think for the Baluchi freedom fighter the immediate problem is an imperialist/colonialist state with foundations in divine authoritarianism, which thinks because it is based on Islam it has the right to unite Muslims and hold them captive.

Why it does not focus on Balouchistan and Pashtunistan can be summarized as follows: A.) Both causes are PURELY Ethnocentric, it makes no sense to fight something that oppresses Muslims (Pakistan) for something that divides Muslims (ethnocentric statehood).

Here again I see themes of Pakistaniyath especially when words like Baluch and Pashtun ethno-centerism are used---pretty sophisticated attack on the genuine struggle of oppressed nations for the natural right to self-rule. Whatever, one can argue that the fault is more with the intrinsic authoritarianism and irrationality in Islam itself than any (self-serving definition of) ethnocenterism ...in that...(1) Islam (the bigotic version) tries to achieve something that is not achievable i.e., the unification of Muslims in one political community ....and (2) Islam tries to achieve the unification involuntarily and by force (a sword in one hand and Quran in the other )...

[unknownprince]

There is nothing so moral to any version of Jehad whether the hypothetical, never-put-to-practice form of ethical Jehad (of the apologists of Islam) or the macabre, only-form-of-Jehad-in-practice-so-far (of the fanatics of Islam). Predatory instincts of land-grabb, lure of war booty, lust of slaves and cancubines, etc. are at work in both cases. Similar motives drive all imperial wars whether in the east or in the West...




Is this abhorence of mob-bigotry really real?




This "typical" stance/tactic smacks of Pakistaniyath, when it uses Islam to stagmatise the struggle of captive nations for political rights. Few Afghans may be so conversant in Pakistani style of politics and diplomacy vis-a-vis the cause of Pashtuns, Baluchis, and other oppressed groups and so precisely strike the right strings when discussing the nationalities issue in Pakistan .




Far from being a secualr state (that Pakistani apologists try to portray as), the concept of Pakistan has communal and ideological basis rooted in "two-nation" theory and Pakistan Ideology and indicated by the very acronym PAKISTAN, which means "Land of the pure" .



One can call it an ethno-centric state in the sense that the main thrust of its statehood is to ensure the economic, political, and cultural control of the Indo-Aryan component of its polity over the rest. Islam as an instrument of politics comes in handy in that.



The Baluch/Pashtun struggle is directed at the neocolonial hold of the Punjabi-Mahajar elite which rules the rest using Islam...I think for the Baluchi freedom fighter the immediate problem is a an imperialist/colonialist state with foundations in divine authoritarianism, which thinks because it is based on Islam it has the right to unite Muslims and hold them captive.



Here again I see themes of Pakistaniyath especially when words like Baluch and Pashtun ethno-centerism are used---pretty sophisticated attack on the genuine struggle of oppressed nations for the natural right to self-rule. Whatever, one can argue that the fault is more with the intrinsic authoritarianism and irrationality in Islam itself in that...(1) it tries to achieve something that is not achievable i.e., the unification of Muslims in one political community ....and (2) it tries to achieve the unification involuntarily and by force (a sword in one hand and Quran in the other )...

Toramana,

your pro-Northern Alliance,

leave his new PF member alone with your rants for once.

Thanks

[Toramana]

On one hand I have to agree with you and B.) While the social , cultural and civil rights of peoples, especially Muslims and oppressed peoples should be a top priority for Muslims everywhere, especially in countries primarily inhabited by Muslims; the historical track record of Ethnocentric movements such as Pashtunistan and Balouchistan has been tarnished greatly because of allegiances with former Socialist Governments who also had their own Imperial designs in Muslim central Asia and the Caucaus region.

Those were the dynamics of Cold War bipolarity e.g., when the fanatics and fundamentalists joined hands with the "people of the book" and the dictators within their own states to extend the neo-colonial frontiers to new extremities e.g. Baluchistan and wage a war on Godless communists (the enemies of the free world) and nationalists (enemies of Muslim unity as emboddied in Pakistani nationhood) , the nationalists were left with no options but to look towards the other pole for support. What the fundamentalist like Jumaath-i-Islami (Akhwanul-Muslimin) did to Banglis is a fact of history and evidence of the divide and degree of collaboration among "forces of the book".

There wasn't any deeper ideological motivation involved in the political decisions of the nationalists then. Nationalists have all been fighting for very pragmatic goals i.e., the well-being of their people although their vision doesn't exclude the future of the broader Muslim community. The aim of the nationalists is fundamentally not the establishment of some universal empire i.e., a universal class-less society under prolitariate dictatorship or a universal Islamist community under the Khalafath.

As for being proxies, one should recall the days when the bigot acted as the cannon fodder for the West...One can have a look at Zbigniew Brezensky's interview for a fair idea of that....

[Catya Sher]

Good point, Unknown.
The poor guy is just getting settled in. He deserves a little Peace and Quiet.
It takes time to figure out all the members, who's who, who thinks what, etc.
It can be overwhelming for new visitors.

[Toramana]

Last, Political Islam itself is a very divisive ideology looking at its sectarian content...The ideological divide is usually so deep as well as potentially violent and volatile that even two Islam-based political parties cannot pull along with each other what to talk of schools of thought (e.g. Jummath-i-Islami has been declared heritic by other factions like Deoband) and sects (Shia, Sunni, etc.).

One can talk of the civilizational or cultural unity of Muslim but not political or ideological unity.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Unknown Prince and Catya Sher; this is actually the response I was expecting and hoping for; when Someone feels intellectually weakened and disempowered they lash out in distortions, baseless accusations and angst. They start to panic immensely when their agenda is criticized and do whatever they can to misrepresent things for their own agenda.

It exposes more about them and the sincerity of their Proclaimed "Movement" and reveals how they're really exploiting Pashtoon Nationalism for the benefit of conforming into the Neo-Imperialist Divide and Rule agenda and are in actuality working against the Well Being of Pashtoons, and more over Muslims everywhere. If you notice the reply to my post ; it is completely a Straw-Man argument of everything I wrote. It ignores most of the points and attempts to distort them or misrepresent them to make it seem like I'm making the opposite claim. For example I condemned the misuse of Islam and in particular Jihad for corrupt agendas; yet my points were conflated with Jamat-I-Islami. One of the funniest responses was being accused of "Pakistaniyat" right within the quote where I say "I fully concur with Pashtunistan regarding the grievous injustices of Pakistan" or "It makes no sense for something that oppresses Muslims (Pakistan) for something that divides Muslims". Or the Logically False disaster of being an "apologist" for Pakistan by saying Pakistan is secular when modern secularism is an extension of Neo-Imperialist value structures which would be hostile to Islam; not realizing the Internal contradiction in the assessment that those who are focused on Islamic causes would not favor secularism. So the claim of apologetics by claiming Pakistani secularlism would make no sense what so ever. They either have no knowledge regarding the definition of APologetics; or they're employing every crooked Neo-Imperialist tactic they can to distort the issue.

We can see here the desperate tactics of trying to discredit Logical and Balanced Criticism based on Legitimate intellectual merit by distorting the actual message and conflating false associations which are baseless to say the least.

[MazloomYarMasud]

Recently a Palestinian/Jordanian was killed in a American attack in Afghanistan. The individual was a Alqaeda member who was also a Administrator of a Jihadi Forum. I would like to request our moderators here to take notice of such threads that will only bring harm to Pashtunforums. Maiwand, is promoting Jihadi groups without providing us with logic and facts about them. He posted videos of Uzbek groups but ignored the other Jihadi Uzbek groups who still to this day fight his hero Tahir al Uzbek.

I would hate to see this forum being linked to a Terrorist.

Kind Regards

[MazloomYarMasud]

Mr Edge.

When the Pakistan Army or a Suicide bomber takes the life of one of your relatives then please take a good step into reality and see that there is no such thing as Muslim Unity.

The Muslim world is holding onto its last breath to keep its hold on Ancient customs.

Eventually Muslims will reform their faith and modernise, this is why people ever bother to question some parts of Islam and the actions of Muslims worldwide.

It is only a matter of time before laws such as women being forced to hide in Black Burqas, with gloves and their feet hidden will be only seen as the "Past".

Mr Edge, it is very quite clear that you are sat in America or maybe some other developed modern western state yet you speak of Muslim Unity.

I have a very good suggestion, please take a placard, write on it, I want Muslim Unity, below it put a stamp on saying "Property of the Saudi Arabian Government" go to Tehran, and do a protest and Vice versa in Saudi Arabia, we wll see how long it takes before you are lashed.

Most Pashtun Nationalists concern themselves to a specific region, being the land of the Pashtun, the Pashtun region is much much poorer than even African countries, yet Palestinians drive around in mercedes in Jerusalem, didnt Arafats Wife drive around in a sport bmw in Palestine while the people suffered of starvation?

Its all Politics, as the world modernises, lesser and lesser people are naive, If people in the west are so concerned for the plight of their fellow Muslim, then please return to your countries of origin and work to develop it, we all know it will not take long before you return back to the west complaining of how backward it is.

We Pashtun Nationalists mostly all come from Poor backgrounds, we have seen reality, we love our people and we want progression, instead of mosques where Arabic is taught, we want labortories where vaccines are made to treat polio,mmr,tentenus etc, We want our region to get investment, development, attention worldwide and respected, we do not want our people or region to be looked at as some uncivilised, Jihadi, violent, no law and order nation.

Kind Regards

[ScimitarXEdge]

MazloomYarMasud, thanks for your response

but you both affirm and contradict your own conclusions in the same breadth. This leads me to believe you're merely "Towing the party line" rather than actually taking a step back and looking at the whole picture analytically. You're employing very generic responses; "there's no Muslim unity....look here and here and here". Now on the surface level I won't disagree, there is a great deal of disunity. This however is not an excuse for keeping it that way. With yourself, Toramana and others it seems you're using such conditions as a pretext for merely throwing your hands up and saying "oh well nothing we can do about it". Which to me is purely laziness.And yet Pashtoons are in a similar predicament by your own admission, we are divided on tribe, region, even economic status and class and political affiliations. But it doesn't stop you from you wanting to advocate unity. Nor should it. It however should not stop there.

The Truth is, Pashtoons will never be free and unified until Muslims all over are free and unified; because the ROOT Problem of what affects Pashtoons is the same problem that affects all Muslims. Imperialist Divide and Rule scheme; in the case of Pashtoons, Certain groups/ethnicities were placed in advantage at the detriment of Pashtoons, so therefore Pashtoons only see the face of Punjab, and not the foundations and the hands that are in motion, Capitalist Imperialism. In the case of Iraq, Kurds saw the Arab Face but not the U.S. hands. In Saudi Arabia people see the Wahhabi face but not the British and U.S. hands. And so on and so on.

Yes I do live in a Western country, so what? This does not refute a single argument that I have made.

I have a hard time believing that you're a "poor and disaffected" by the fact you clearly speak Western Style English as I do and have access to advanced technology. Furthermore your allies have themselves admitted to being from "Elite Families". So I would advise not posturing as something you're not as it brings no credibility either way. Here we debate IDEAS not peoples background.

Corruption is prevalent amongst Most leaderships these days. This is equally true amongst Pashtoons and the Self-Proclaimed Nationalists. Afsandyar Wali Khan rides around in a helicopter courtesy of the Prime Minister of Pakistan. I remember he gave a talk in NYC not long ago and he came in also in a BMW and the dinner being held was probably rival that of the King Fahd of Saudi Arabia. I began to wonder , where does these people afford such sumptuous expenditures? My point being is that I agree with you on the end that leaders have used their various causes at the expense of the peoples they claim to advocate for. The does not however discredit the movement itself, the movement itself is legitimized by the conditions that surround. I do not discredit Pashtoon Nationalism as a stalwart against injustice, I just discredit So-Called Nationalists who appear mainly to be working for Neo-Colonial Agenda, using nationalism and peoples plight as a pretext. That's why I'm also against Jamat-i-Islami, Deobandis, Wahhabis and other such groups.

I don't see your Call for wanting the Betterment of your people is as Sincere as you claim to want. On one hand you speak about Not being Naive and Appeal to the False Idol of Modernity; and then the next sentence you demonstrate precisely how naive your outlook really is. Your entire model of what you wrongly label "progression" by the constructs of Capitalist Imperialism, rather than recognizing that it's because of Capitalist Imperialism that these disparities even exist in the first place!!!! I have no idea why you brought up the issue of Female Veiling but since you brought it up I will address it. Female Veiling is an issue of the physical exploitation of women, the movement that seeks to "unveil women" is rooted wholly in the physical exploitation of women; the custom of physical exploitation of women has been done since ancient times. So rather than your claim of awakening from naivety and ancient customs; you have fallen prey to the naivety of other ancient customs under the guise of Progress. That makes the argument disingenuous. Something will remain or not remain because it's virtue, and the virtue of being against physical exploitation of women is timeless. If you were genuine about your love for Pashtoons, this is something you'd embrace not repel.

Your little "suggestion" seems to be a very silly and juvenile ploy especially as it assumes that Islam or the move for Islamic Unity was Property of some Nation State country made by Imperialists (KSA) or by Iran. Our Modern Call does not even come from those countries but from One of our Very Own Pashtoons, Sayyid Jamaluddin Al-Afghani (ra) who comes from Kunarh in Afghanistan, he is the one who was the spearhead for the vanguard of Muslims to reclaim their rights, much like he was disparaged by the leaders and traitors of that time; we too are being disparaged by the leaders and traitors of our times. But that's all it is , hallow disparagement.

However here is a suggestion for you, please go to the middle of Kandahar or my grandfather's hometown of Mouqour in Ghazni; and tell them that Islam is their enemy and that true Pashtoons are holding on to backwards customs and tell me what happens.

[Toramana]

Unknown Prince and Catya Sher; this is actually the response I was expecting and hoping for; when Someone feels intellectually weakened and disempowered they lash out in distortions, baseless accusations and angst. They start to panic immensely when their agenda is criticized and do whatever they can to misrepresent things for their own agenda.

It exposes more about them and the sincerity of their Proclaimed "Movement" and reveals how they're really exploiting Pashtoon Nationalism for the benefit of conforming into the Neo-Imperialist Divide and Rule agenda and are in actuality working against the Well Being of Pashtoons, and more over Muslims everywhere. If you notice the reply to my post ; it is completely a Straw-Man argument of everything I wrote. It ignores most of the points and attempts to distort them or misrepresent them to make it seem like I'm making the opposite claim. For example I condemned the misuse of Islam and in particular Jihad for corrupt agendas; yet my points were conflated with Jamat-I-Islami. One of the funniest responses was being accused of "Pakistaniyat" right within the quote where I say "I fully concur with Pashtunistan regarding the grievous injustices of Pakistan" or "It makes no sense for something that oppresses Muslims (Pakistan) for something that divides Muslims". Or the Logically False disaster of being an "apologist" for Pakistan by saying Pakistan is secular when modern secularism is an extension of Neo-Imperialist value structures which would be hostile to Islam; not realizing the Internal contradiction in the assessment that those who are focused on Islamic causes would not favor secularism. So the claim of apologetics by claiming Pakistani secularlism would make no sense what so ever. They either have no knowledge regarding the definition of APologetics; or they're employing every crooked Neo-Imperialist tactic they can to distort the issue.

We can see here the desperate tactics of trying to discredit Logical and Balanced Criticism based on Legitimate intellectual merit by distorting the actual message and conflating false associations which are baseless to say the least.

Instead of this verbosity/rhetoric, could you respond to what I have said i.e., the problem of Muslim dis-unity doesn't spring from the conspiracies hatched by nationalists but rather is a result of the intrinsic irrationality in Islam itself when it tries to achieve something (a universal Muslim Empire under a Khalafat) impossible of achievablity ---and that also through authoritarian imposition, force, and involuntary approval on the part of the target nations...

To make my point clear, I will give you the example of Europe Union which is primarily an alliance of nations with European identity and judo-christian traditions...But that union has not been achieved through force but voluntary decision on the part of the member nations based on very practical interests (e.g. trade, economic links, mutual security, etc.) and commonalities (e.g., values, traditions, race-perception, etc.)...What model do the Islamists have by the way...?


The other thing I said, was that nationalist inclination towards the Russian block during Cold War was not due to any ideological motivation but because of the bipolarity of global geopolitics of that era....When the Islamists joined hands with capitalists (SENTO, SEATO, etc.) and dictators within their own countires, nationalists had no other option but to look to the other pole for support....


And I find a congruence in your stance and that of the dominent Punjabi-Mahajar elite stance in Pakistan when they use the threat to Mulsim unity as an excuse to oppress weaker nations and nuetralise their campaign for ploitical rights...


Instead of laying blames against me over and over like a parrot, come respond to the above points...