The Illuminati & Anwar Al-Awlaki

[ScimitarXEdge]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_yemen_al_qaida

He is a typical Arab Nationalist under the disguise of Religion, I am Sorry to say.

He wants to bring the whole world into the control of Arabs from his Desert.

He will soon meet his fate with all the other epic Arab failures who followed the same route.

Gone are the days where America took a blind eye to Jihadism, the soviet union is gone, they are of no use, unless they attack Iran lol

The fact you say "Arabs from his Desert" only shows you're peddling the same fradulent Imperialist Divide and Rule scheme. It seems people who make such claims are really House Slaves of White Europeans and are under the agenda of bringing the whole world into the control of the Brothels of London.

Now I think Anwar Al-Awlaki is an extremist and has lost his mind; but firstly if you know anything about Yemen, it's not Desert, it's mountain, just like Afghanistan, in fact if you know anything about Yemeni culture it's almost identical to Pashtoons in nearly every aspect.

But I digress; My contest with your claim is the intellectual dishonesty, if you had merely said he's a deranged extremist with fraudulent ideas about battling imperialism, I would agree.

But now you're making a claim which seems to have no basis, so please provide for us some evidence that Anwar Al Awlaki is an Arab Nationalist; which Arab Nationalist groups is he aligned with, Does he advocate on behalf of Arab Christians and Druze minorities as well? Does he hold ideas that Arab identity is more important than religious identity? What constitutes "Arab Nationalism"? If Jihadism and Arab Nationalism are interconnected where is the contingent of Non-Muslim Arabs?

[Catya Sher]

Yes his label was sloppy. He's Arab Nationalist only in his opposition to Iran.
[Which I don't happen to see as any threat to the Arab world myself. It's willing to work together with them to oppose the real problems in the Middle East, Zionist control or efforts to control all countries.]

Why do you say Al-Awlaki has lost his mind? Under the duress of the torture
or heavy interrogative procedures he endured, perhaps he became much more radical.

Can you explain your point of view a little bit more clearly?
What do you propose instead of his measures, which we don't even know whether all that's been chalked up to him has any basis or not.

Due to the topic raised by the very video posted at the start of the thread.

[ScimitarXEdge]

He may oppose Iran but who knows if it has to do with Arab Nationalism, or other silliness like Sectarianism.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Well originally, Anwar Al-Awlaki was a righteous Scholar; he denounced the use of Murder or assaults against Civilians even if Muslim civilians are killed by their military. Only the perpetrators and enablers of the acts, the soldiers and military should be targeted.

This is the correct and balanced view; somewhere along the line for whatever reason this view of his changed completely, either he was corrupted by Alqaeda and/or something happened to him where he literally "lost his mind".

I don't believe civilian populations can be used as military targets by any Mujahid, this would disbar the legitimacy of their Jihad.

Civilian Infrastructure which is important for Military functioning can be targeted so long as a risk assessment and absolute great care is used to avoid civilian deaths; even if they're of Infidel Civilians.

[ScimitarXEdge]

It exists, but it's not "Islamic Arab Nationalism"; Christian Arab Nationalists would laugh at such a notion.

[Catya Sher]

Remember that Michel Aflaq, founder of the Baathist Arab Nationalist/Socialist program, must have been from a Syrian Catholic background. Or perhaps Syrian Orthodox. Then his name would have been Mikhail. I'm just guessing; I haven't looked him up.

The point is: he was from some Christian background.
That didn't make a particle of difference to Iraq and Syria, which made his Arab Nationalist - Socialist ideology the cornerstone of their regimes.

Shlombey is right that there isn't really much possibility of RELIGIOUS Arab Nationalist sentiment because Islamic groups would be pan-Islamic, not socialist or secular.

Regarding Al-Awlaki, Scimitar do you have any sense of what may have happened to him? That's what I've been thinking about a lot.

Look at the video: his ambiance is gentle, sweet and kind. Yet forceful.

The last lengthy speech shows him angry. Making some good points, but WHY then that one strange sentence included. There is no prelude or explanation; it stands by itself as a non sequitur which the Western media grabbed onto with full vengeance.

He SEEMS very lucid in the video.
One wonders if he heard something pretty bad which enraged him but he could not disclose it without compromising his sources. For example some future plan of NATO, or Saudi perfidy, or ...

Most of what he says about the co-option of current Arab rulers seems right on target, and he wakes up his listeners by calling them on their bad behavior.

What is possible that Al=Qaeda could have done ? I just don't understand all that.

I think he'd do better on his own, myself, without that stigma.

[cyrus]

Anwar al awlaki got nothing to do with Arabic nationalism lol he is against Iran not because they are Iranian but because majority of Iran belong to rafida religion shias. As to the claim that he is terrorist, ones terrorist is another’s freedom fighter, when it comes to judging someone about something you heard on cnn or fox news i usually stay away from that. Because tbh we do not know what’s really happening first hand fact. However i could say that his lectures are great and mind blowing especially the non political ones.

No doubt t that illuminati, and free masons exist, it’s funny that some say its conspiracy theory lol tier agenda, their aims and their history are well known by many.

[Catya Sher]

^ Yes, he is a natural born storyteller, very talented the way he can bring so much alive and make it relevant to today's listeners.

I didn't catch any hint of Arab Nationalist agenda until just that one blast against Iran in his recent major speech.

That seemed motivated to rally fellow Arabs to the cause.
But they should be working toward getting back al-Quds, a goal also shared by today's Iranian leaders.

Infighting amongst the Muslims won't do any good and would ONLY further
the cause of the very entities he is trying to fight.

In fact, I would say that it's more dangerous to target Iran, which even at the height of power under the Shah, never made more than small aggressive moves toward Arabian areas. There was the assistance of Iranian forces to put down a Communist rebellion in the Dhofar, Oman. But the Shah's troops withdrew and did not try to claim any sovereignty there.

In short, Iran tries hard to get along with neighbors.

If he riles up followers against Iran, this would make cynical observers say that his group is in fact a creation of the CIA !
After all who hates the current Iranian regime the most and wants to them relegated to the backroads of history?

Probably HUGE resources from American agencies have been poured into that pathetic "green" movement. Which would barely have seen the light of day were it not for the gigantic press given to them as supposedly "an opposition movement".

I personally think he should diverge from this al-Qaeda which has such a bad name and be more independent. People would flock to him, especially if he apologized for misunderstandings about previous bizarre statement re civlians.

He needs to unify people, not divide them. He could be really talented at that, as he is such a kindly personality - or WAS, until this bad treatment and betrayal he received from his fellow Yemeni people. Probably that cut to the quick in a way we can't imagine.

Yeah, the Illuminati maybe no one knows ALL the details. But for sure they exist.
Masons, in contrast, are very easy to document.
Their CREEPY leaders have boasted many times of their plans and successes.
It's not difficult to verify their wish to infiltrate and neutralize all religious groups, which they consider their enemies.

They work quietly over centuries to reach their goals.

[akbarkhan]

I haven't read the entire thread but some chap here said Illuminati doesn't exist!?

Actually, we have had them in Afghanistan - they are called Roshaniya and they have been around for centuries. These days they are found amongst the Aga Khanies, Sholaits, Tajiks as well as Pashtuns.

YouTube - THE SECRET FREEMASON SOCIETY OF QUETTA

http://www.khyberlodge.co.uk/about-k...inmenu-26.html

[Catya Sher]

What a shock to see a Masonic lodge in QUETTA - is it still active, I wonder?

So it's the Ismailis who are often involved with Masons?
I'd like to figure out more about that connection.

What are Sholaits?

I'd like to figure out why anyone in the region is drawn to this evil stuff.
In earlier times, they probably strove to curry favor with the British, many of whom may have been Masonic types. Why did Kipling come up with that
The Man Who Would Be King story for Chitral/Kafiristan if there weren't some British adventurers and officials out in the area who were Masons?

I wonder whether there are Masonic businessmen NOW involved in the Western occupation of Afghanistan and whether they are planting some quiet seeds in Kabul today?

Certainly, it would be very hush-hush, never in the news. So impossible to determine precisely.

[akbarkhan]

What a shock to see a Masonic lodge in QUETTA - is it still active, I wonder?

Pakistan is full of them and yes the Quetta lodge is active.

Freemasons work under the guise of Rotary Club in Pakistan, they were banned by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in 1972.

So it's the Ismailis who are often involved with Masons? I'd like to figure out more about that connection.

Study the Nizari order of Ismailis.

What are Sholaits?

Sholaites are Maoist Afghans aka Shola e Jawid.

I'd like to figure out why anyone in the region is drawn to this evil stuff.

In some cases, careerism leads people to embrace such societies or the offshoots thereof - such societies can open alot of doors. The vast majority of people who embrace such "brotherhoods" are what Allah swt refers to "the army of Satan", pure satanists.

Francis Bacon (widely known as Shakespear), Manly P Hall, Nicholas Roerich & a few others are the modern architects of freemason led states.

I wonder whether there are Masonic businessmen NOW involved in the Western occupation of Afghanistan and whether they are planting some quiet seeds in Kabul today?

Afghanistan's financial/communication institutions are hijacked by the masons through Agha Khan, Bayat Foundation etc. Name me one major financial/communication institution which isn't led by an Ismaili group!

[akbarkhan]

One of my friends had some shocking stories about Ismaili ceremonies/parties in kabul.

[Catya Sher]

^ Let's hear !
Why?
Because they sound really terrible.
To think I thought they were not political and were mainly interested in helping out their own people, throughout the world.

That's the P.R. given by the Agha Khan Rural Support Project or whatever it's called.

So the Agha Khan Foundation is active NOW in Afghanistan? I had no clue.
Did it come into prominence during the American occupation?
Or it's always been there quietly working behind the scenes.

I can't believe about the Rotary Club - I always felt something really wrong about it. Did they ever come back to Pakistan, or still outlawed?
I hope the latter.

Yes, I've studied too about Manly Palmer Hall - ICK! - a 33rd degree, or maybe 32nd degree one. Even his name gives me the creeps.

Nicholas Roerich too I've investigated trying to figure him out.
There's that school of thought that he was responsible for the design of the dollar bill with the Masonic type emblem of the All-Seeing Eye.

He's a complex figure. As an artist, OK, but when one looks closer, why was he allowed into the early Soviet Union by the Bolshevik Minister of Culture, Lunarcharsky?

Why did later Soviet regimes warmly welcome his son, who resettled there?

All sorts of things bother me about him. There was a good hour long video I started watching one day which goes into detail about him.
I want to look into this more, as it's very important to know the truth.

Yeah, I think that Francis Bacon was Shakespeare too.
How did he participate in creating the modern freemason state?

this is all fascinating.

What other figures too?

Good info!

PS Are Shola i Javaid people active today, then? I've been wondering where they went. They were really hostile to Islam, that much I remember.

[akbarkhan]

So the Agha Khan Foundation is active NOW in Afghanistan? I had no clue.
Did it come into prominence during the American occupation?
Or it's always been there quietly working behind the scenes.

Agha Khans investments in Afghanistan. http://www.akdn.org/afghanistan_econ...evelopment.asp

But the above article doesn't cover everything they are involved in.

Yeah, I think that Francis Bacon was Shakespeare too.
How did he participate in creating the modern freemason state?

this is all fascinating.

What other figures too?

Good info!

The modern freemason state = New Atlantis

Other figures include Franz Mezmer, Truman, Harding and etc

PS Are Shola i Javaid people active today, then? I've been wondering where they went. They were really hostile to Islam, that much I remember.

Yes they are very active - I mean look at Lateef Pedram.

You will see more of them when China invades Afghanistan after the fall of US.

[cyrus]

If you have notice that almost all of the Iranian arabic neighbours do not want Iran to be powerful. One of the main reasons behind this is shiaism.

the shia's are very dangerous cult, their past proves of what they are capable of, the safaweens, force majority of Persians into shiaism, and also forced some afghans into shiasim, before brave afghans fought against them and stopped them to penetrate into Afghanistan.

Khomeini ‘s followers are very hard core shias influenced by books such as usul al kafi, and their rafidi scholars to convert sunnis into shiasm and to take makkah and madinah, by the way this is from khomeini’s speech.

Recently as Iran has gain power and wealth, they have spent millions into literature, and have spread it across the Muslim world to convert sunnis into shiaism.

The Sunnis in Iran have no rights, their mosques gets demolished while shia mosques are built in their places and Tehran is the only capital around the world which don’t have a Sunni mosque for the Sunnis to pray in.

Nevertheless all the ahlus sunnah scholars have warned against Iran, and the shia influence. One great example is our own country Afghanistan; the shia influence is unbelievable while most of afghans are ignorant about this. Afghans have been caught weak and poor. Every year Iran sends dozens of classified scholars trained to convert Sunnis to shiasim from qom to Afghanistan. This is very clear, just switch on the tv, the arina channel from Afghanistan is a shia channel trying to confuse afghans. Iran helps Afghanistan each year financially in one condition that is to give a lot of power to shias in Afghanistan.

Just last yr morocco and Egypt caught a lot of shia mercenaries and shia literatures which were made to convert sunni masses into shiasim. Their influence is great in African countries, just like Christians they go there and spend millions to convert sunnis to shiasim.

coming to al quds, they do not care about the Palestinians, what they care is to gain power, they have hizbullah in Lebanon , they also have Iraq and Syria , they trying hard to gain Bahrain, and they want to bring back the safaween times.

therefore if anwar al awlaki have stated something negative about Iran, it has nothing to do with nationalism brother, and it aint the first person it has been spoken by most of scholars.

as to his position if he is al qaeda or not, Allah knows best, who is al Qaeda, who is bin laden, we hear this from fox and cnn, it’s a big grey area which people jump to conclusion without first hand information.

illuminati are the high rank masons, on the top, their goals and aims are clear, their history is clear and what they really doing right now is clear.