Roshina

[eusuphxai]

well i honestly dont see the problem, its a simple question unless she likes playing games.

if you cant see a problem you most probably are in dark, here is what the problem is, anyone beliefs are his/her own. and he/she has the right to practice is how he/she wants. And is by no means bound to make it public. If you really think your point of view is right put it forward and let the people be the judge of it. If i like it i will follow it if not i will not ask you to not follow it.

[Catya Sher]

U agree with Adam_yousafzai.

If she were an ordinary contributor WHO MINDS HER OWN BUSINESS - ! - then of course, no need whatsoever for her to unveil her beliefs or trends in thought.

But why people can be agitated is that she is 1) a moderator, hence in a position to throw weight toward or against atheists here when decisions are made regarding status
and
2) chases after others and sometimes browbeats them rather severely for their words or stands.

Therefore: a probe into where she is coming from is only natural.

However, it's clear that it IS just a game of hide-and-seek for her.
Maybe we shouldn't give any more attention for this not too important topic.

[Roshina]

But why people can be agitated is that she is 1) a moderator, hence in a position to throw weight toward or against atheists here when decisions are made regarding status

One of the things life has taught me is that people who are themselves more than likely to do something assume others would do it or accuse them of doing it already. You, our dear beloved journalist-who's-been-all-over-the-Muslim-world-and-seen-everything-there-is-in-the-world, most likely are the type who'd ban someone for her/his religious views from a forum if YOU were a moderator, and so you assume I'd do the same thing.

You do know, though, that the staff consists of poor Mahzala and Mayana and Tor Khan and Admin Khan and BLS, right? And that I'm not the only one there? If so, what makes you think I'm the only one who has more power than the rest of the staff and only MY opinion is considered? Clearly, I hold that much value in your mind. Clearly, I'm capable of such influence! I mean, ME making all the decisions regarding whose posts get deleted/edited and who gets banned on PF? Whoa! I must truly be the biggest icon on PF! Thanks!

Maybe we shouldn't give any more attention for this not too important topic.

Really? This not-too-important topic? Are you sure this isn't important to you? Then ... why are you taking MY views so seriously? Why do I matter so much to you? I wish I didn't feel honored, since you are of no value to me (yet? possibly), but I AM honored, Catya Jaan, that you care this much about my views!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You are not important and we do not consider you to be important, so get off your self-created pedestal.

The reason why you are on the spot and getting this attention is because you are in our, Muslims, faces all the time. You are the first one and the last one to agree with the arguments of the Atheists and the enemies of Islam. You never side with us, you never fight on our behalves. For example, right now there are so many discussions going one with Atheists and the enemies of Islam, yet you choose to remain silent. You can choose to remain silent, it is your right, but this is odd for someone so outspoken as yourself. You are the loudest feminist here. You are the loudest critique of everything here. Is this bad? Of course not! It is admirable that you have the intellectual capacity to engage in discussion. However, you will be the first one to criticize us Muslims, and a ghost when it comes to criticizing the Atheists and the enemies of Islam. It is as if your fingers are cut and are not able to type when it comes to putting an Atheist or an enemy of Islam in their spot when they have committed a logical fallacy. Oddly, it is rare to see you debate an Atheist about the existence of God, and counter arguments the enemies of Islam present to invalidate Islam. You will be the first one to defend all other faiths, including Atheism; however, you will never fight someone in order to validate Islam and the existence of God. This is why we are all curious about your true beliefs.

All of the above have made us question your true face and real stance. Where does youar allegiance lie? This is not something that I have concocted, this is evident among all members, and believe it or not, even among the admin. Why they choose to keep you here is none of our business. It is something between you and the admin. We can voice our concerns, but we do not have the right to sway decisions.

You not defending Islam or the existence of God, and always siding with the Atheists and the enemies of Islam, and defending other faiths, clearly shows where your heart lies. If quacks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, therefore, it must be a duck.

Therefore, please do not consider yourself great or a victim of anything. Your hypocritical behaviour is simply being questioned, nothing else. And so far, as Dreamer would say it, the silence is deafening.

[Roshina]

You are not important and we do not consider you to be important, so get off your self-created pedestal.

Oh no!

:absolutely_heartbroken:

I'm gonna be crying for the rest of my life now.

[Toramana]

You are not important and we do not consider you to be important, so get off your self-created pedestal.

The reason why you are on the spot and getting this attention is because you are in our, Muslims, faces all the time. You are the first one and the last one to agree with the arguments of the Atheists and the enemies of Islam. You never side with us, you never fight on our behalves. For example, right now there are so many discussions going one with Atheists and the enemies of Islam, yet you choose to remain silent. You can choose to remain silent, it is your right, but this is odd for someone so outspoken as yourself. You are the loudest feminist here. You are the loudest critique of everything here. Is this bad? Of course not! It is admirable that you have the intellectual capacity to engage in discussion. However, you will be the first one to criticize us Muslims, and a ghost when it comes to criticizing the Atheists and the enemies of Islam. It is as if your fingers are cut and are not able to type when it comes to putting an Atheist or an enemy of Islam in their spot when they have committed a logical fallacy. Oddly, it is rare to see you debate an Atheist about the existence of God, and counter arguments the enemies of Islam present to invalidate Islam. You will be the first one to defend all other faiths, including Atheism; however, you will never fight someone in order to validate Islam and the existence of God. This is why we are all curious about your true beliefs.

All of the above have made us question your true face and real stance. Where does youar allegiance lie? This is not something that I have concocted, this is evident among all members, and believe it or not, even among the admin. Why they choose to keep you here is none of our business. It is something between you and the admin. We can voice our concerns, but we do not have the right to sway decisions.

Therefore, please do not consider yourself great or a victim of anything. Your hypocritical behaviour is simply being question, nothing else. And so far, as Dreamer would say it, the silence is deafening.

Why are you targetting Roshina? Let her speak her mind whether against you or in favour of you. This is unfair. And remember, if we left this forum, the extremists will get hold of it and crucify you first...Our presence is giving this PASHTUN forum some semblance of moderation otherwise if we left it, there wouldn't a moment pass in its turning into an Al-Qaueda and Taleban forum...

[Roshina]

Why are you targetting Roshina?

Oh! Actually, Toraman, I don't see it as targeting. I see it as their extreme respect and reverence for me -- why else would they be giving me so much time from their busy schedules and discuss me and my views when they could be discussing trillions of other things? If I weren't important to them, they wouldn't be discussing my views 24'7 here, and I (my views, that is) am a crucial form of entertainment and humor for them. You see what their attention to my views actually signifies? I am enjoying being the center of their discussion and complaints! So don't stop 'em

[Toramana]

Roshina, sorry.

But I have an impression about MeemWowNoon. I think he is trying to seek proximity with the Wahabi/Salafi group that is trying to dominate this forum and to make himself endeared with them (or acceptable to them). You know this is natural. His Ahmadi community has undergone persecution and ostricification and there may be this desire in the subconsciousness to be accepted in the fold again.

MeemWowNoon would it be ok if I become a Wahabi and the next moment call you an Ahmadi liable to death punishment for if I converted to your sect these Wahabi extremists will still not spare me.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Why are you targetting Roshina? Let her speak her mind whether against you or in favour of you. This is unfair. And remember, if we left this forum, the extremists will get hold of it and crucify you first...Our presence is giving this forum some semblance of moderation otherwise if we left it, there wouldn't a moment pass into its turning to an Al-Qaueda and Taleban forum...

Don't forget that word, which includs her.

That said, you my friend have dodged every question thrown at you. Your arguments are filled with fallacies and inconsistencies. Do you see her criticizing you and your likes? No, of course not. But if we were to commit those mistakes, she would be at our throats.

Toranama, despite the above, I must commend you for claiming to be an Atheist and a critic of Islam. That is the difference, you are not hiding anything, and her we don't know.

If she is agreeing with everything you and Baygham and gulalai and muhsina and LZ are saying and always critizicing us, then where do you think her beliefs lie.

I am not saying for her and for you to leave, of course not, not at all. I am simply questioning her true colours. There is a huge difference there.

See, that is the problem, you have commit a grave mistake here by not reading the premise of the argument, a mistake that you commit a lot, something I have noticed the more I read your posts, you commit a lot of fallacies. If what was any other Muslim, she would be at us and scolding us; and, oddly she never does that with others. So, where does her allegiance lie? This is what we are questioning. If it lies with you guys, then she should just say it, and get it over with. If it lies with us, then she should defend Islam and the existence of God.

I am not calling for a kill to dialogue, I am calling for a more honest dialogue.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Roshina, sorry.

But I have an impression about MeemWowNoon. I think he is trying to seek proximity with the Wahabi/Salafi group that is trying to dominate this forum and to make himself endeared with them (or acceptable to them). You know this is natural. His Ahmadi community has undergone persecution and ostricification and there may be this desire in the subconsciousness to be accepted in the fold again.

MeemWowNoon would it be ok if I become a Wahabi and the next moment call you a Wahabi liable to death punishment for if I converted to your sect these Wahabi extremists will still not spare me.

See another logical fallacy.

We Ahmadis have suffered the most at the hands of Muslims, however, we can't seperate ourselves from them because the Messiah and the Mahdi is sent to the whole world, including Muslims. The Muslims are the most dear to us, we share everything. With rest of humanity we share humanity, so we won't harm them, never, but a Muslim is a Muslim. Our aim is for everyone to become Muslims, so why would I go against my Muslim brethren?

Next time, before you commit this grave act again, inform yourself.

But I am glad to see her agreeing with you and the vice versa and not answering what is being posed of her.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Oh! Actually, Toraman, I don't see it as targeting. I see it as their extreme respect and reverence for me -- why else would they be giving me so much time from their busy schedules and discuss me and my views when they could be discussing trillions of other things? If I weren't important to them, they wouldn't be discussing my views 24'7 here, and I (my views, that is) am a crucial form of entertainment and humor for them. You see what their attention to my views actually signifies? I am enjoying being the center of their discussion and complaints! So don't stop 'em

Such a cowardly thing to say.

[Toramana]

Don't forget that word, which includs her.

That said, you my friend have dodged every question thrown at you. Your arguments are filled with fallacies and inconsistencies. Do you see her criticizing you and your likes? No, of course not. But if we were to commit those mistakes, she would be at our throats.

Toranama, despite the above, I must commend you for claiming to be an Atheist and a critic of Islam. That is the difference, you are not hiding anything, and her we don't know.

If she is agreeing with everything you and Baygham and gulalai and muhsina and LZ are saying and always critizicing us, then where do you think her beliefs lie.

I am not saying for her and for you to leave, of course not, not at all. I am simply questioning her true colours. There is a huge difference there.

See, that is the problem, you have commit a grave mistake here by not reading the premise of the argument, a mistake that you commit a lot, something I have noticed the more I read your posts, you commit a lot of fallacies. If what was any other Muslim, she would be at us and scolding us; and, oddly she never does that with others. So, where does her allegiance lie? This is what we are questioning. If it lies with you guys, then she should just say it, and get it over with. If it lies with us, then she should defend Islam and the existence of God.

I am not calling for a kill to dialogue, I am calling for a more honest dialogue.

Look I am a simple man given to failings and incorrect comprehension/understanding of things...As for he views, she seems to me a normal Muslim more on the side of moderation and rationality unlike some individuals here who want to blow themselves up... I consider her an asset to Islam and a budding intellectual that some day would make a difference ...Don't suppress her voice...

[Roshina]

Roshina, sorry.

But I have an impression about MeemWowNoon. I think he is trying to seek proximity with the Wahabi/Salafi group that is trying to dominate this forum and to make himself endeared with them (or acceptable to them). You know this is natural. His Ahmadi community has undergone persecution and ostricification and there may be this desire in the subconsciousness to be accepted in the fold again.

MeemWowNoon would it be ok if I become a Wahabi and the next moment call you an Ahmadi liable to death punishment for if I converted to your sect these Wahabi extremists will still not spare me.

Na, it's okay. But I'm just enjoying it too much to let them stop, so I don't want anyone else to stop them, either. I like it this way.

About why MWMN must be doing it, I thought about that when he first noted that he and I had differences, and, perhaps this is a mere assumption that MAY be far from truth (but I'm over 100% sure it's true), but here's what I think:

By questioning me and my identity and my views constantly, he is repelling attention from his own self and his own branch of Islam (which he has himself labeled Ahmadi Islam), and passing it over to me. This is a rather smart move, and he must be given credit for it, for, by doing this, he is (or THINKS he is) gaining the support of a fickle group of people.... But the moment these people forget about me and my views, they're going to start attacking MWMN. And, of course, I don't want that to happen, so I prefer that the spotlight remain on me! It feels beautiful

[unknownprince]

Na, it's okay. But I'm just enjoying it too much to let them stop, so I don't want anyone else to stop them, either. I like it this way.

About why MWMN must be doing it, I thought about that when he first noted that he and I had differences, and, perhaps this is a mere assumption that MAY be far from truth (but I'm over 100% sure it's true), but here's what I think:

By questioning me and my identity and my views constantly, he is repelling attention from his own self and his own branch of Islam (which he has himself labeled Ahmadi Islam), and passing it over to me. This is a rather smart move, and he must be given credit for it, for, by doing this, he is (or THINKS he is) gaining the support of a fickle group of people.... But the moment these people forget about me and my views, they're going to start attacking MWMN. And, of course, I don't want that to happen, so I prefer that the spotlight remain on me! It feels beautiful

No need to attack MWMN becasue he is Ahmadi, now thats weak LOL, really weak.

You guys pounce on him because of that. That just shows how pathetic and weak your arguments are.

[Toramana]

Na, it's okay. But I'm just enjoying it too much to let them stop, so I don't want anyone else to stop them, either. I like it this way.

About why MWMN must be doing it, I thought about that when he first noted that he and I had differences, and, perhaps this is a mere assumption that MAY be far from truth (but I'm over 100% sure it's true), but here's what I think:

By questioning me and my identity and my views constantly, he is repelling attention from his own self and his own branch of Islam (which he has himself labeled Ahmadi Islam), and passing it over to me. This is a rather smart move, and he must be given credit for it, for, by doing this, he is (or THINKS he is) gaining the support of a fickle group of people.... But the moment these people forget about me and my views, they're going to start attacking MWMN. And, of course, I don't want that to happen, so I prefer that the spotlight remain on me! It feels beautiful

Ha Roshina, very intelligent and smart...MSHALLAH...Very likely reason of his focuss on you...hahahha