new vido of Pakistan army killing an innocent Pashtuns

[Admin Khan]

I didn't see the video. I'm just saying it could well be faked. Faked videos have been made before. Even Pakistan have made some I believe. But I was questioning why Pakistan Army would be producing or allowing videos that show them to be beating up frail old men. That sounds a bit silly of them, which is why there's reason that it's faked.

Media is a powerful tool, and I wouldn't be surprised if both ISI and RAW were not active in that industry but the problem here is that its lines up with many of the concerns and claims which have been made. Many Pashtuns of Swat, whom I have met and discussed with face to face have told me they have been tortured and made a refugee within their own country. I have been told by many Maseeds that Pak Army discriminated against them just because their last name was Maseed. Now, that hurts me as an Afghan because, I just like you want my people to have equal rights. Every time I hear something miserable in our region, pain is afflicted on my heart not just because they are Pashtun but because what has Pakistan became? The minute you land in Jinnah Airport, you feel and sense discrimination. You can even sense people mocking us just because of the way we speak Urdu.

I don't disagree with this. I don't know how bad the situation is entirely in Pakistan for Pashtuns. Perhaps it's just Karachi though.
But there are 11-15 year old Pashtun boys working in gun factories in NWFP. I'm sure Punjabi boys also do some garbage work.

I understand its also our fault because we are uneducated when compared to Punjabis or Muhajirs, so I do accept our short falls. However, we are not given equal opportunities. I have witnessed discrimination, I have seen poor rickshaw drivers being discriminated.

That's not to say there isn't discrimination in Pakistan against Pashtuns. There probably is. It would be nice to see it quantified. Whether Karachi is an isolated case, or whether it is common in Pakistani cities. Anyway, I'm against this trickle down nonsense the pakistani government does where the Punjab gets most development money. Each province should have exactly equal educational facilities and exactly equal access to education. Is there evidence to show this is not the case, and Punjab has all the best universities and access to education?

I think Karachi serves as the education and financial hub of Pakistan. It has better universities and much better opportunities when compared to any city of Punjab. However, I remember I used to teach people certain things about computers in Karachi, and believe me or not, I was commonly asked "Aap Pathan ho?" "Kya baat hain yaar, Pathan kho be computer chalana aaya?".

And this doesn't even include the sms jokes about us. We are viewed as an incompetent ethnic group.

[roadrunner]

Media is a powerful tool, and I wouldn't be surprised if both ISI and RAW were not active in that industry but the problem here is that its lines up with many of the concerns and claims which have been made. Many Pashtuns of Swat, whom I have met and discussed with face to face have told me they have been tortured and made a refugee within their own country. I have been told by many Maseeds that Pak Army discriminated against them just because their last name was Maseed. Now, that hurts me as an Afghan because, I just like you want my people to have equal rights. Every time I hear something miserable in our region, pain is afflicted on my heart not just because they are Pashtun but because what has Pakistan became? The minute you land in Jinnah Airport, you feel and sense discrimination. You can even sense people mocking us just because of the way we speak Urdu.

I don't know about this. To be honest, if it happened to me I wouldn't be affected. I don't think I'd care at all. Urdu is such a stupid language anyway, it's like Hindi. It's a product of India and should be wiped away from Pakistan imo. You should ask them why they speak an Indian language so well.

I understand its also our fault because we are uneducated when compared to Punjabis or Muhajirs, so I do accept our short falls.

Not at all. Some of the stupidest people I've met have been Punjabis, Indians and Muhajirs.

However, we are not given equal opportunities. I have witnessed discrimination, I have seen poor rickshaw drivers being discriminated.
I think Karachi serves as the education and financial hub of Pakistan. It has better universities and much better opportunities when compared to any city of Punjab. However, I remember I used to teach people computers in Karachi, and believe me or not, I was commonly asked "Aap Pathan ho?" "Kya baat hain yaar, Pathan kho be computer chalana aaya?".

So the Punjabis could claim discrimination I suppose. But Karachi is where all the Muhajirs moved with their banks at Partition, so it became an affuential area. They're not more intelligent or hard working, they just had a head start in 1947. If they discriminate against Pashtuns, I really don't know how or why a Pashtun should feel bad about it. i would have difficulty taking seriously anything an Indian reared individual said to me.

And this doesn't even include the sms jokes about us. We are viewed as an incompetent ethnic group.

They do come out with some jokes. Just remind them the first to capitulate to foreign forces due to incompetency is historically them, and that some great civilizations existed that were Pashtun.

[Espresso]

there are no garbage picking pakhtun kids in Kabul?

North of Kabul, on the top of barren hills, is located the garbage dump of all waste of the capital. The complete waste, after passes the selection of garbage pickers from all around the capital, ends its fate here. Garbage pickers, people who try to find treasures from dumps of waste, are those people in dirty clothes, with a sack on their backs, and dwindle around Kabul streets or garbage dumps to find something useable. Most of the garbage pickers in Kabul are children.

sounds like you take great pleasure their in seeing the miseries of precious childhood human life (sick) at the tendure age of childhood when they deserve much more love,compassion & opportunity then you or a thirty year old guy like me they have to go through these hardship's be it any where it can simply make even GOD cry & freeze hell for once

I don't see why it can't be faked. Someprevious videos have been. But I've not seen the video so I dont know. These tapes do not benefit Pakistan or the Pakistani Army. They do benefit India though, and those who want to portray Pakistan in a bad light. This is very logical.

straight to yours face nobody needs to portray that SH(I)T ARMY OR terrorist safe heaven country of THEIR known as "Banana Republic of Pak-istan" it is bad & that's the reason why it is in bad light got it its the truth plain & simple any way seeing the condition of your country pakistan that nugget Kayani & the so-called "Barri fouj ki sipahi" is not very far from getting another dose of 16 DECEMBER 1971 trust me the time is running out for pakistan's usual denial mode mantra lyrics

[drona]

Some of the stupidest people I've met have been Punjabis, Indians and Muhajirs.

If you frequent mujra mehfils, don't expect to meet anyone intelligent.

[Espresso]

.Its funny how they dictate how Islam should be placed in Afghanistan yet the Mullahs of Pakistan hardly ever openly oppose hira mandi or their colleagues in government who are 24/7 drunk.

Pakistan is the epic centre of Terrorism and global Jihad. Without Islamic Radicalisation Pakistan will have absolutely no value. Pakistan is a clear example of corruption, nothing there is safe nor organised, its all corrupted.

trust me bro they are a an embarrassment every where i am muslim but trust me i really hate how they twist Islam for their National Agenda known as the classic cult basket case PAKISTANIYAT (sick)

. However, I remember I used to teach people certain things about computers in Karachi, and believe me or not, I was commonly asked "Aap Pathan ho?" "Kya baat hain yaar, Pathan kho be computer chalana aaya?".

And this doesn't even include the sms jokes about us. We are viewed as an incompetent ethnic group.

i know even today on "EID" though i said my salat yesterday but went their to help out for todays prayer's a pakistani guy brings in an person from bangladesh & told me yeh bhi "BANGAL" se hai... inko mein nain aap se mila na tha... i was like WTH man disgusted what's this bangal ? trust me just like how theu called call you guys a patan or afghani(currency) making you feel & low not the right word pashtun or afghan like you are like that even i am from calcutta west "BENGOL" & NOT (BANGAL) their is no such thing as bangal the language is known as bengoli or kutti bangla native bengoli eg BANGLA DESH NOT BANGAL-DESH they did this today on "EID" after the second eid salat can you guys imagine the leader from our area she came greeited us i was like all punped up dressed up amir khan type feeling all good & then this...... & that too while i was collecting donation for mosque for the second consecutive time my legs were hurting in this winter of canada & this pakistani guy just spoiled my eid up honestly dont know why they do like this

[Shehbaz Khan]

Shehbaz Khan,

Are you denying the authenticity of this video? If yes, on what grounds?

Read my first post Admin Khana, I never said that this video is fake.

Are you claiming that this old man 'deserved' this treatment?

I said that 'IF' he belonged to TTP and is one of those who helped them in killing the 'real innocent' people and reported by Swatians themselves (As many people were reported by the Swatians who helped the Talibans) than he deserved this punishment.
And 'IF' he was innocent, than I would like to empty the magzine of AK-47 on the soldier hitting him in this way.

I wish to further discuss this with you.

Wali na.. Pa awal zala debate day taso sara .. More than welcome ..!! In the end our goal is the same to uplift the status of Pakhtuns

[Shehbaz Khan]

I have seen how Pashtuns are treated in Karachi, so I am very well aware of our status in Pakistan. We are the 'garbage-pickers' of it's financial capital. My heart used to cry when I used to see 11-15 year old sometimes even younger Pashtun boys picking up plastic bags or laying and playing in garbage. I have seen Pashtun discrimination with my own eyes. Pashtuns are not viewed as equal, all one has to do is ask a rickshaw driver in Karachi city how he is treated. And no, he is not from Afghanistan. He is a Pashtun from Pashtunkhwa who has left his village to gain some sort of income in Karachi.

Admin Khana, Though this post was not directed towards me but I would like to answer.

How are Pashtuns treated in Karachi or any part of the world depends on 'What is his qualification'? I've seen a Pakhtun Manager or the Salfi Textile Mills, Karachi and at the vary same place at the gate of his office there was a security guard who was Pakhtun.

So the garbage pickers, yes I agree Pakhtun kids are but because of the lack of education, lack of money. No monga da na sho waelay che discrimination kegi, ya pukhtano sok khkata gori na? Hes kala hum na .. We need to come forward, educate those kids.. Who said Pakhtuns are not viewed as equal? Da sa way? Saddar ta lar sha, neemi na ziat dukanona da pukhtano di.. I've seen pakhtuns who are in Karachi from the past decades, their kids even haven't visited their villages.. aghwi ta kho chari hum che khkata na di katali? I personally have Pakhtun Friends studying in NED and Karachi University aao ta waye che pukhtano ta khalaq khkata gori.. Haghwi da zaan barabar na gari? No, this is not a fact.

[Orzala]

these videos are made by Indians. Indian Army is famous for torturing Pashtuns.

Do you have any proof of that?

Pak Army never tortures people.

Okay, go back to sleep.

they are very discplined.

Disciplined in barbarism.

These tapes do not benefit Pakistan or the Pakistani Army.

They don't have to be beneficial. Videos and pictures of U.S. soldiers brutally harming and stripping Iraqis have also been widely published, you might wonder "How does that benefit the U.S. or the U.S. Army?" The fact is, it doesn't. The foolish act is fueled by the mere "thrill" of it.

They do benefit India though, and those who want to portray Pakistan in a bad light. This is very logical.

Paranoia. Your response is illogical. Not everyone is out there to get Pakistan. The country being a s-h-i-t-h-o-l-e doesn't do them any justice but it certainly doesn't attract anyone to condemn them either. I hate Pakis like you who continuously bring up India. Pakistan as a state needs some serious therapy on how to cure this "India is to blame" disease.