new vido of Pakistan army killing an innocent Pashtuns

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ Your concern is highly appreciated, but it will be totally right if my grand dad will be involved in any such kind of activities like hanging people, shotting them down just because the other's were not of the opinion he was. What talibans did was the vary same and they did it to the innocent people and now if this is done to the 'culpurits' than its all right !! Ofcourse I'll not praise it at that time as my grand dad is my grand dad but everyone round there will !! And they will be having a right to

I already said there is no age issue coming into this. I've seen videos with my own eyes where young kids of my age were kicking masharan, harassing them and assulting them and treating them like dogs and those kids were from TTP. So kindly don't bring this age factor here .. Manana !!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Shehbaz you are missing the point. Either something is legal or it isn't. If you ignore legality like this, then you have no real substantial ground for your state anymore.

[parsiwaan]

This is sad... i don't know how some people can justify this...yea taliban did this so Pukistani arm will do too... sap tek tak he yaar.. daal lawroo paan ke saath...awr shoro karoo bangraa...Bala balaa.....what a shameless people..wt happen to innocet until proven gauilty?
Anyways... these people used to do this crimes against Northen afghans...my cousin tells me how they purksitanis and their stooge taliban burn the whole Shamali valley..all the venyard in 96...so in a way its good to see pukistanis army fighitng these people... let them kill each other.

Asheyaan e Man e Bechara agar sokht che Baak
Fekree Wayran shodan e Khana e Sayad Koneed

May arab god Allah put more Barakaat in this...may pakistan burns!!!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

So everyone there did this to shamaal? By your nonsense "lack of logic" people have complaints against the militias of the north. I am sure you wouldn't want that retribution.

[afghan]

This is sad... i don't know how some people can justify this...yea taliban did this so Pukistani arm will do too... sap tek tak he yaar.. daal lawroo paan ke saath...awr shoro karoo bangraa...Bala balaa.....what a shameless people..wt happen to innocet until proven gauilty?
Anyways... these people used to do this crimes against Northen afghans...my cousin tells me how they purksitanis and their stooge taliban burn the whole Shamali valley..all the venyard in 96...so in a way its good to see pukistanis army fighitng these people... let them kill each other.

Asheyaan e Man e Bechara agar sokht che Baak
Fekree Wayran shodan e Khana e Sayad Koneed

May arab god Allah put more Barakaat in this...may pakistan burns!!!

parsiwan are playing an ignorant, eithermay be you are one, the crimes committed against pashtun it be by taliban or paki army. in shamal there are worst criminals than taliban, i wish you would speak of them same way.

[Shayesta]

What relationship mean to which extent what information does he have about them currently and their current status?

Dunno, has he been asked that question? Or let's say, did those machos rest their arms for a while enough to give time to answer?

My family members were there in FATA with the Face of drug dealers. This is how intelligence agencies work.

Nonetheless, it's very brutal and if they can't put a stop on that (which has been proved they can't) then the least they should do is film it.

The civilians are gonna die if the men from the intelligence are there or not. So they better be there and watch their moves and locations.

And if they don't act like this with the 'suspects', then those peoples lives will actually be saved?

Could be anyone except ISI for sure as why will ISI continue creating a head ach for themselves?

You know the answer yourself very well, why the question?

For Dollars stop this nonsense. The damage is much more than the aid.

The aid is not actually going where it is supposed to go so no, not for everyone the damage is bigger than the aid. Mark my words.

My point with that banners thing was something else if you could go back and read it again

I did (again) but apparently missed your point? Explain please.

Oh and than the vary same Army will be publishing this video to get the common masses stand against them Quite unprofessional isn't it?

Pakistanis actually find these kind of things very professional and macho, just read up their comments; 'Don't mess with Pakistan or you will get this treatment.' Or, 'this is what should happen to all our enemies', and these are just two examples. Get to know your own people mate, get to know your own people.

Your concern is highly appreciated, but it will be totally right if my grand dad will be involved in any such kind of activities like hanging people, shotting them down just because the other's were not of the opinion he was.

What if he was innocent, yet gets this treatment, it's posted online, and people even praise it? How are you gonna defend your grandfather and make people understand the difference between right and wrong? How?

What talibans did was the vary same and they did it to the innocent people and now if this is done to the 'culpurits' than its all right !!

If you truly detest the culprits so much then why don't you encourage your army to do the same to every single politician of yours? I am no Pakistan will distaste that!

[afghan]

That could have been easy Afghan wrora like Pakistani I would have just said its a propaganda. But no I am here to accept that if he has nothing to do with the millitants than Army did wrong and the soldiers deserve to be punished.
But are you ready to accept that if he had connections with TTP than this was what he deserved?

well shahbaz khana wrora the point is that the treatment of the taliban was no diffirent than the this army of islam(paki army), there are many similarities in their behaviour. the taliban were more honest , they admitted and took pride what they did. but the army will blame everything on indian. no one deserve this kind of treatment.

[Shehbaz Khan]

^Who said that the Army will put the blame of everything on India? I never said so.They took pride in what they did and Army should never be proudy if they killed this man (If he was innocent).

[Admin Khan]

Shehbaz Khan,

Are you denying the authenticity of this video? If yes, on what grounds?
Are you claiming that this old man 'deserved' this treatment?

I wish to further discuss this with you.

[roadrunner]

I don't see why it can't be faked. Someprevious videos have been. But I've not seen the video so I dont know. These tapes do not benefit Pakistan or the Pakistani Army. They do benefit India though, and those who want to portray Pakistan in a bad light. This is very logical.

[Admin Khan]

I don't see why it can't be faked.

Hypothetically speaking, let's agree that its not fake. Would you agree that its wrong to torture a human in such fashion?

Someprevious videos have been. But I've not seen the video so I dont know. These tapes do not benefit Pakistan or the Pakistani Army. They do benefit India though, and those who want to portray Pakistan in a bad light. This is very logical.

I think the main reason for these videos is to raise awareness. Awareness that Pashtuns are being treated bad. I for one, don't need to see videos. I have seen how Pashtuns are treated in Karachi, so I am very well aware of our status in Pakistan. We are the 'garbage-pickers' of it's financial capital. My heart used to cry when I used to see 11-15 year old sometimes even younger Pashtun boys picking up plastic bags or laying and playing in garbage. I have seen Pashtun discrimination with my own eyes. Pashtuns are not viewed as equal, all one has to do is ask a rickshaw driver in Karachi city how he is treated. And no, he is not from Afghanistan. He is a Pashtun from Pashtunkhwa who has left his village to gain some sort of income in Karachi.

[ayub]

Hypothetically speaking, let's agree that its not fake. Would you agree that its wrong to torture a human in such fashion?
I think the main reason for these videos is to raise awareness. Awareness that Pashtuns are being treated bad. I for one, don't need to see videos. I have seen how Pashtuns are treated in Karachi, so I am very well aware of our status in Pakistan. We are the 'garbage-pickers' of it's financial capital. My heart used to cry when I used to see 11-15 year old sometimes even younger Pashtun boys picking up plastic bags or laying and playing in garbage. I have seen Pashtun discrimination with my own eyes. Pashtuns are not viewed as equal, all one has to do is ask a rickshaw driver in Karachi city how he is treated. And no, he is not from Afghanistan. He is a Pashtun from Pashtunkhwa who has left his village to gain some sort of income in Karachi.

there are no garbage picking pakhtun kids in Kabul?

North of Kabul, on the top of barren hills, is located the garbage dump of all waste of the capital. The complete waste, after passes the selection of garbage pickers from all around the capital, ends its fate here. Garbage pickers, people who try to find treasures from dumps of waste, are those people in dirty clothes, with a sack on their backs, and dwindle around Kabul streets or garbage dumps to find something useable. Most of the garbage pickers in Kabul are children.

[Admin Khan]

there are no garbage picking pakhtun kids in Kabul?

We are speaking about Pakistan. We can discuss the flaws within Kabul in a thread pertained to Afghanistan.

North of Kabul, on the top of barren hills, is located the garbage dump of all waste of the capital. The complete waste, after passes the selection of garbage pickers from all around the capital, ends its fate here. Garbage pickers, people who try to find treasures from dumps of waste, are those people in dirty clothes, with a sack on their backs, and dwindle around Kabul streets or garbage dumps to find something useable. Most of the garbage pickers in Kabul are children.

Like I said, we are speaking about Pakistan, and I as a Pashtun, have a genuine concern about my people, my concern is that in the financial capital of Pakistan, we are not treated properly. Bringing Kabul into a thread about Pakistan is a logical fallacy. If I argue that Pakistan is corrupt, either you defend it, or respect my opinion. Telling me Afghanistan is also corrupt is a cheap way of conferring and doesn't contribute to the topic on hand. Refrain from derailing threads, please.

[roadrunner]

Hypothetically speaking, let's agree that its not fake. Would you agree that its wrong to torture a human in such fashion?

I didn't see the video. I'm just saying it could well be faked. Faked videos have been made before. Even Pakistan have made some I believe. But I was questioning why Pakistan Army would be producing or allowing videos that show them to be beating up frail old men. That sounds a bit silly of them, which is why there's reason that it's faked.

I think the main reason for these videos is to raise awareness. Awareness that Pashtuns are being treated bad. I for one, don't need to see videos. I have seen how Pashtuns are treated in Karachi, so I am very well aware of our status in Pakistan. We are the 'garbage-pickers' of it's financial capital. My heart used to cry when I used to see 11-15 year old sometimes even younger Pashtun boys picking up plastic bags or laying and playing in garbage. I have seen Pashtun discrimination with my own eyes. Pashtuns are not viewed as equal, all one has to do is ask a rickshaw driver in Karachi city how he is treated. And no, he is not from Afghanistan. He is a Pashtun from Pashtunkhwa who has left his village to gain some sort of income in Karachi.

I don't disagree with this. I don't know how bad the situation is entirely in Pakistan for Pashtuns. Perhaps it's just Karachi though. But there are 11-15 year old Pashtun boys working in gun factories in NWFP. I'm sure Punjabi boys also do some garbage work. That's not to say there isn't discrimination in Pakistan against Pashtuns. There probably is. It would be nice to see it quantified. Whether Karachi is an isolated case, or whether it is common in Pakistani cities. Anyway, I'm against this trickle down nonsense the pakistani government does where the Punjab gets most development money. Each province should have exactly equal educational facilities and exactly equal access to education. Is there evidence to show this is not the case, and Punjab has all the best universities and access to education?

[roadrunner]

There is something more emotive about seeing a Punjabi treating a Pashtun boy not very well i suppose, just as there would be if a Pashtun were treating a Punjabi boy not very well. But there's plenty of stupid Punjabis (and Pashtuns) so it's not something where one should generalize in my opinion. The Punjabis do not all think the same (quite a few I've seen have been a bit stupid though I must confess, but not all).

Anyway Karachi is in Sindh, and is Muhajir (Indian ancestrally).