new vido of Pakistan army killing an innocent Pashtuns

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Shehbaz you can't compare an institution like the army with talibs who are non-state actors. There are certain rules and regulations they have to abide by. This is the worst excuse and a common one. Saddam used to do terrible things as well, does that give US or UK forces a free pass in Iraq?

Ok say he is being interrogated, tell us do you accept that US forces have to waterboard or torture people in Guantanamo bay? Is it ok? If Pakistan can do it for info then US should be allowed as well, right?

It isn't about TTP or Army or flaana, but rather the respect of rule of law. If we don't believe in this, then your people will be subject to the rules of the jungle...so if it comes to your backyard don't cry then. Manana

[Feroza_Banu]

this video is obviously fake... What r u talking about, pakistan army and officials are angels. Pakistani army is the most disciplined organization in pakistan... Jeevay pakistan!

*roles eyes*

these videos are made by indians. Pashtuns live in kashmir too, indian army is famous for torturing pashtuns. Pak army never tortures people. They are very discplined.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Shehbaz Khan]

BLS Wrora ..

Yes for the respect of rule of law? Which law?
I already gave you an answer my dear you are in a war zone you need quick information to hit your enemy else he is going to blow your head? Not the worst excuse neither it is one .. you can't take him back to the city and place him infront of the judge and this and that .. This kind of interrogations work in War..

No, the Americans can't simply because they don't have the right to be here.. Afghans don't want Americans to be here.. Right? Or you want them to be there..?

Tell me did you watch the videos of Talibans be-heading the people who were not welcoming them? Didn't you see the banners on which there were sentences like 'NO SHAVING', 'NO WOMEN ALLOWED IN MARKETS' ? They were a bunch of mercy less people who needed to be treated like this...

[drona]

The question, dear friend, is whether these old men/kids are really Taliban; or any civilian with a beard and shalwar kameez is proclaimed "Taliban", tortured, killed and their corpses shown to the Amreekans in exchange for "war"-bounty ?

[Feroza_Banu]

Tell me did you watch the videos of Talibans be-heading the people who were not welcoming them? Didn't you see the banners on which there were sentences like 'NO SHAVING', 'NO WOMEN ALLOWED IN MARKETS' ? They were a bunch of mercy less people who needed to be treated like this...

are you ok sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhbaz....?

what do you mean by this last paragraph... what does have to do anything about the video here? are you drawing conclusion that the guy in this video is the merciless talib who had beheaded someone in another video? just because the talibs are shown with beard and turban doesn't mean every man who wears a beard and turban is a talib... then sikhs of India should be executed too.

the truth of the matter is that you can't justify this video no matter how much you try. it is NEVER ok for your disciplined pakistani army to take such actions against innocent civilians, or convicted taliban without any proper trial or conduct. stop making excuses for their actions, or to justify them. you can't justify their actions, but in the process you are just showing how dumb you are !, no really!

[Shehbaz Khan]

The question, dear friend, is whether these old men/kids are really Taliban; or any civilian with a beard and shalwar kameez is proclaimed "Taliban", tortured, killed and their corpses shown to the Amreekans in exchange for "war"-bounty ?

Ok, can you prove it that he is just a common citizen? Read my first reply to this topic once again.. With your eyes open !!

[Shehbaz Khan]

are you ok sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhbaz....?

what do you mean by this last paragraph... what does have to do anything about the video here? are you drawing conclusion that the guy in this video is the merciless talib who had beheaded someone in another video? just because the talibs are shown with beard and turban doesn't mean every man who wears a beard and turban is a talib... then sikhs of India should be executed too.

the truth of the matter is that you can't justify this video no matter how much you try. it is NEVER ok for your disciplined pakistani army to take such actions against innocent civilians, or convicted taliban without any proper trial or conduct. stop making excuses for their actions, or to justify them. you can't justify their actions, but in the process you are just showing how dumb you are !, no really!

I am feeling all right Lag ghwandi zukam mi day kho qehwa mi oskala sahar la ba kha yam la khaira


Read my first reply than read the BLS wror's answer/opinion about my post and than read this you will understand


We are all talking here on assumptions. And I told you rules are not followed in war zones. You need quick information to hit the enemy else they are going to blow-up your head .. !! I don't feel like repeating my self again again ..

Khushaala wosi

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ Read that already very carefully but again you missed my first post, why you want me to repeat myself. I said that when you are in a War Zone you need quick information about your enemy !! Get it? Or you would like to take him to the court prove him guilty which will atleast take months and you don't have time when you are fighting a war like this .. !!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

BLS Wrora ..

Yes for the respect of rule of law? Which law?
I already gave you an answer my dear you are in a war zone you need quick information to hit your enemy else he is going to blow your head? Not the worst excuse neither it is one .. you can't take him back to the city and place him infront of the judge and this and that .. This kind of interrogations work in War..

No, the Americans can't simply because they don't have the right to be here.. Afghans don't want Americans to be here.. Right? Or you want them to be there..?

Tell me did you watch the videos of Talibans be-heading the people who were not welcoming them? Didn't you see the banners on which there were sentences like 'NO SHAVING', 'NO WOMEN ALLOWED IN MARKETS' ? They were a bunch of mercy less people who needed to be treated like this...

First of all, the law is the constitution of your country Pakistan and the Geneva conventions. Pakistan army has to abide by these rules as the first is their constitution and the latter is the international laws of the world. One can't justify such excuses like warzone when it comes to interrogation, otherwise every state can do the same and indulge in human rights violation. By your logic, India can do as they please in Kashmir, so can the Russians.

About the war in Afghanistan then educate yourself a little. I am weary about American presence however the international world has sanctioned it via UN and Pakistan is an ally to this war. So if America is illegally present there then Pakistan is compliant to this and have offered its bases to this illegal invasion. By default Pakistan is imposing and continuing an illegal war. It is beyond me how people can justify this.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Pakistan would have never been there and would have not suffered that much if America would have not thought about this .. That was a **** started by Musharraf ..

Now coming back, tell me how many laws are followed during war? None.. that's why it's said that everything is fair in love and war.. But yes when you get control of the area than things like this are wrong and full of ****..

Now hanging to just one point and leaving the rest of the post is not healthy for any debate .. !!

You didn't answer to the Talibans videos? What were they? Infact the victims in those videos were the 'real' victims. I said The swatis here can confirm about the incidents that they reported about many people who were at the side of the Militants and hence if they went through such interrogations it's completely just !!

But if these people were innocent than Army really did bad and the Jawans need to be punished. In the end what we need to say that 'Wallah-o-Alam who is right' !!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Pakistan would have never been there and would have not suffered that much if America would have not thought about this .. That was a **** started by Musharraf ..

Now coming back, tell me how many laws are followed during war? None.. that's why it's said that everything is fair in love and war.. But yes when you get control of the area than things like this are wrong and full of ****..

Now hanging to just one point and leaving the rest of the post is not healthy for any debate .. !!

You didn't answer to the Talibans videos? What were they? Infact the victims in those videos were the 'real' victims. I said The swatis here can confirm about the incidents that they reported about many people who were at the side of the Militants and hence if they went through such interrogations it's completely just !!

But if these people were innocent than Army really did bad and the Jawans need to be punished. In the end what we need to say that 'Wallah-o-Alam who is right' !!

This isn't an invasion Shehbaz, this is subject to the constitution of the state. No army can legitimately go against their own constitution and international law and then we cna sit here and justify it. lolzz What are you saying. This is a key point. If you don't respect this then the army is acting as an transgressor and does as it pleases, so it is no better no worse than talib.

Whether Musharraf started or Iqbal lahori, the point still stands..he was the leader of the state and the armed forces he joined it. It is done now.

About the last point, again irrelevant. No one here is saying that talibs did all good and they didn't behead people. We all accept that they did. However they are not an institution or backed by any state. They are non-state actors.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Yes probably this is an invasion an invasion by a bunch of millitants over the valley of a state and those who helped them through any means are the enemies of the state and needs to punished.

Haha, so when those who helped those non-state actors are interrogated in this way? Why is it paining you? Are you denying the fact that the Swaitans themselves informed Army about these people? Or you are saying that the situation was normal and there was no need of quick information?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Yes probably this is an invasion an invasion by a bunch of millitants over the valley of a state and those who helped them through any means are the enemies of the state and needs to punished.

Haha, so when those who helped those non-state actors are interrogated in this way? Why is it paining you? Are you denying the fact that the Swaitans themselves informed Army about these people? Or you are saying that the situation was normal and there was no need of quick information?

Look I don't care if they are hanged provided it does done through the proper channels. Buddy if 99% of the swatiyaan caught the ttp good for them, but this is torture...if the swatiyaan knew them, why didn't the army give it to proper channels? Why didn't they jail them? Was this necessary then?

No sane individual can support this. Also it is very simple either you respect your own constitution or you don't. If you do, and have some respect for international law you would condemn it. However you all remember these things only when it hits your own home or when its kashmir or palestine.

[Dervaish]

It is sick and barbaric. Treating even an enemy like that. Muslim do that to another Muslim? This must be reported to the UN, though they will ignore it.

[Shayesta]

but as you can see in the youtube comment where the soldier is asking the mashar about his relations with Taliban authorities? These were the same criminals who were identified by the Swatians.

If the Swatians already confirmed he is related to Taliban anyway then why on earth was the soldier asking what his relationship with Taliban is!? Would that have changed anything at all if he had denied it? Heck, did he even get a chance to deny it!?

What you think that if you will ask him at a table while having tea with him, he is going to tell you all that ****?

But he will speak the truth( or shall I say speak whatever the army wants to hear) if he gets brutally tortured like this, right?

The TTP used to drill, cut, behead, maim and put live soldiers in threshers, and do you think Army would forget all that?

This is what I will never ever understand! Swatian according, to Pakistanis, let Taliban in, sheltered them, but all of a sudden Taliban turned into a bunch of bitten dogs who started to kill, behead and cut the very same people who sheltered them? No, really; WHY!?

I am not sure if you guys have seen those Talibans distributed videos where they were beheading people and shooting, killing, maiming "real" innocent people just because they did not want to join them or were not approving their actions,

And you must also have heard that even some Pakistani soldiers were spotted in some videos? I told this to this guy from Pekhawer about it and he replied in such an shocking manner, that I couldn't talk to him for like an hour. He said that basically Pakistani soldiers usually dress themselves up as Taliban so they are not being recognized and Taliban becomes easier to catch up on. My reaction was literally like this; :/

but if you see those videos, they are much more cruel than this simple beating to find out the deep network of criminal TTP.

Even if it is, why don't you just admit that this is just inhuman instead of telling us what it's all about? Even though as much as I am against Taliban in Afghanistan, it boiled my blood and at same time made me lose my mind when I saw a Taliban member being burned because despite of their actions, this inhuman behavior towards them just hit me like an arrow.

This is how it is done in a battle zone. As they say, Everything is fair in love and war.

I guess this is exactly the same reason Taliban had for cutting, beheading, and 'other BS'ing' people; Because everything is fair in war?

you are in a war zone you need quick information to hit your enemy else he is going to blow your head?

So basically you beat him to death just because 'you got the information which could be completely wrong'? For the 'just could be' factor, you are not taking a life but destroying an entire family?

Didn't you see the banners on which there were sentences like 'NO SHAVING', 'NO WOMEN ALLOWED IN MARKETS' ? They were a bunch of mercy less people who needed to be treated like this...

Hahahaha! Is this all Taliban had time for, making banners!? Hahahahahahahha, I didn't even know illiterates could read or write!

Ok, can you prove it that he is just a common citizen?

Can you prove he is not?

We are all talking here on assumptions.

In that case, even the so-called torture by the Taliban could be an assumption, right?